2016 Best & Fairest: Keith 'Bluey' Truscott Memorial Trophy (merged thread)

[Satyriconhome 10,015]

Best bits for me last night

Gawn's speeches

McCartney getting name checked, one of the best bits of business we have done in the last couple of years

Nev being recognised for more than footy

The dessert

Pedo schmoozing the room, arm in sling

 

[poita 3,723]

Can someone please confirm this for me. If we have four selectors each rating players out of ten across 22 games, that would give a maximum score of 880. How is it then that winner only has 407? I can imagine nobody would have got many votes in our worst performances, but surely across the year our better players would average more than 5 out of 10?

As an aside, Gawn not winning shows the limitation of the voting system. Congratulations to both Viney and Jones, but I would say both had good - very good years, rather than great years.

[stuie 7,374]

So... Jesse Hogan (21) finishes 8th in the Bluey, but Hunt (21) finishes outside the top 10 and wins the best young player award...

Weird.

(Not that I disagree about Hunt btw)

 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,534]

11 hours ago, small but forward said:

Hopefully Max's boot is empty to fit in all the silverware he's taking home

Surely he has a size 17 boot. Biggest at the club, I would have thought.

[Lucifers Hero 37,445]

57 minutes ago, poita said:

Can someone please confirm this for me. If we have four selectors each rating players out of ten across 22 games, that would give a maximum score of 880. How is it then that winner only has 407? I can imagine nobody would have got many votes in our worst performances, but surely across the year our better players would average more than 5 out of 10?

As an aside, Gawn not winning shows the limitation of the voting system. Congratulations to both Viney and Jones, but I would say both had good - very good years, rather than great years.

Coaches look at much more than stats eg sticking to game plan, following instructions, leadership acts, team acts, pressure acts etc etc  That average of 5 from 10 for the best performer means all of our players have considerable improvement in the eyes of the coaches.   No argument there.

What I like about our voting system (unlike a 3, 2, 1 type system) is it gives a much truer picture of where an individual player is at and his improvement to be made.  Everyone can score votes (not just 3 players) and each player scores according to their contribution on the day. 

A comparison of 2016 votes vs 2015 shows that the coaches think the team has certainly improved.  Last year the top 5 scored a total of 1511 votes, this year the top 5 scored 1845 votes.  Again we would all agree the team has improved.

 

Edited September 6, 2016 by Lucifer's Hero

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

38 minutes ago, stuie said:

So... Jesse Hogan (21) finishes 8th in the Bluey, but Hunt (21) finishes outside the top 10 and wins the best young player award...

Weird.

(Not that I disagree about Hunt btw)

 

I think Jesse is probably a bit beyond receiving this type of award (even though he is obviously still young etc).

I suspect they also wanted Hunt to get some recognition, given that he did not receive a Rising Star nomination during the season and Petracca, Oliver and Harmes did.

I seem to recall that Roos commented on this a few weeks ago in a what that suggested the club thought this was a bit unfair.

 

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

Forgot to include Oscar McDonald.

 

 

[picket fence 15,700]

11 hours ago, Redleg said:

Gee I thought Gawn would bolt in, he carried us all year.

In fact I am very surprised that Max didn't "street it in"

Not saying Viney isn't a worthy winner but MAX Gawn this year has been a superstar!

Thats my take!

[Mickey 4,238]

1 hour ago, stuie said:

So... Jesse Hogan (21) finishes 8th in the Bluey, but Hunt (21) finishes outside the top 10 and wins the best young player award...

Weird.

(Not that I disagree about Hunt btw)

 

Maybe the club's idea of young olayer is similar to the rules for the rising star ie certain number of games, etc

[stuie 7,374]

1 minute ago, Mickey said:

Maybe the club's idea of young olayer is similar to the rules for the rising star ie certain number of games, etc

Yeah good call, could even be you can't win it twice possibly?

 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,534]

I vaguely recall (though could be completely wrong) that back in the 70s or maybe 80s, we were awarding "best first year player" awards to experienced players who had joined us from other teams. To illustrate the point while ignoring the question of merit, it would be the equivalent of, say, Heretier Lumumba winning it last year.

So, there are at least six different ways this award could be made. Using 2016 as an example:

• most votes in the B&F for a player new to the club but not new to AFL football (in 2016 the best result in the B&F from an "import" was Tom Bugg. He wouldn't have won, because he scored fewer votes than others who would be eligible.)
• most votes in the B&F for a player drafted to the club in the most recent draft who is new to AFL football altogether and who played his first game in 2016 (Josh Wagner would have won on this criterion.)
• most votes in the B&F for a player drafted to the club, who is new to AFL football, but has been on the list for one or more years and who played his first game in 2016 (eg, Jayden Hunt)
• subjective assessment of eligible players under each of the options described above. 

My personal preference is the third dot point above.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,534]

Have done some research. It would appear that Garry Baker won the Best First year player award in 1974 having already played a couple of seasons with the Bulldogs. However, he's the only person I found who would appear not to be a true "first year player". I had thought someone like Brian Wilson or Peter Moore had won the award. I was clearly wrong.  

[Dr. Gonzo 22,733]

11 hours ago, Sylvia Saint said:

Great effort by Hunt to nearly crack the top 10 in his first season.

Especially considering he didn't debut until round 4. Could've finished ~8th had he debuted round 1.

11 hours ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

First son of a past player to win a MFC B&F, congrats Jack

Barassi never won it?

[Wilson7 2,537]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Especially considering he didn't debut until round 4. Could've finished ~8th had he debuted round 1.

Barassi never won it?

61 & 64, I meant first son of a past B$F winner DG

[Lucifers Hero 37,445]

Players often say that peer recognition is the most satisfying.  It is decided by the Most Valuable Player award voted on by all players in the comp.  http://www.aflplayers.com.au/

Warning Alert: picket fence - turn away now!

MFC nominees are:

MVP NOMINEES: Jack Viney, Max Gawn, Nathan Jones

BEST FIRST YEAR NOMINEE: Josh Wagner

MOST COURAGEOUS NOMINEE: Jack Viney

CAPTAIN: Nathan Jones

Interesting that Wagner got the nod ahead of Oliver for 'Best First Year Nominee' with 14/13 games played respectively.  Obviously highly thought of.  This suggests (to me) Wagner will be offered a contract on the main list for next year.

 

Edited September 7, 2016 by Lucifer's Hero

[DubDee 21,610]

12 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Players often say that peer recognition is the most satisfying.  It is decided by the Most Valuable Player award voted on by all players in the comp.  http://www.aflplayers.com.au/

Warning Alert: picket fence - turn away now!

MFC nominees are:

MVP NOMINEES: Jack Viney, Max Gawn, Nathan Jones

BEST FIRST YEAR NOMINEE: Josh Wagner

MOST COURAGEOUS NOMINEE: Jack Viney

CAPTAIN: Nathan Jones

Interesting that Wagner got the nod ahead of Oliver for 'Best First Year Nominee' with 14/13 games played respectively.  Obviously highly thought of.  This suggests (to me) Wagner will be offered a contract on the main list for next year.

 

Gawn might be a shot in this.  He value to our team is massive

[Dr. Gonzo 22,733]

7 hours ago, Nasher said:

People might underrate him mate, but the post I was replying to said, quote, "it's quite pathetic the level of disdain that is levelled at this bloke".  I don't reckon I've seen anyone level disdain at him, have you?

Match day threads

[Dr. Gonzo 22,733]

1 hour ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I think Jesse is probably a bit beyond receiving this type of award (even though he is obviously still young etc).

I suspect they also wanted Hunt to get some recognition, given that he did not receive a Rising Star nomination during the season and Petracca, Oliver and Harmes did.

I seem to recall that Roos commented on this a few weeks ago in a what that suggested the club thought this was a bit unfair.

 

Hunt was easily the most consistent out of the lot (Petracca, Oliver, Harmes and OMac). They may have had individual games where they performed better but across the season he was easily the best.

[jnrmac 19,412]

I thought it was interesting Frosty didn't feature in the top 20 after 16 or 17 games. And Oliver didn't really feature either. I know he didn't play a lot of game time but clearly has areas of his game they want him to work on.

The result really tells you what the coaches are thinking and clearly they value Wagner a lot.......

[Dante 2,564]

I heard from a very reliable source today, that before the Geelong game the players were cooked and according to the source the club thought they had about 2 quarters left in them.

Take that for what you want.

 

[Cheap Seats 3,303]

43 minutes ago, Dante said:

I heard from a very reliable source today, that before the Geelong game the players were cooked and according to the source the club thought they had about 2 quarters left in them.

Take that for what you want.

 

Turns out they were correct

On face value reflecting on the effort it seems pretty accurate 

[Sir Why You Little 35,227]

1 hour ago, Dante said:

I heard from a very reliable source today, that before the Geelong game the players were cooked and according to the source the club thought they had about 2 quarters left in them.

Take that for what you want.

 

Club should have told supporters to not buy tickets if the players were ill prepared...

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,534]

47 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Club should have told supporters to not buy tickets if the players were ill prepared...

I'm just trying to work out how this message gets relayed. Does the club say to the players, "We think you're cooked and therefore you won't win. We're telling you this because we have to tell our supporters not to come. But go out there and try hard anyway."

[DeeZone 8,061]

I worked last night so watched the posters coming in with great interest - Fantastic Effort Jack Viney a real champion, Captain Courageous Nat Jones, Big Maxxy Gawn what a man, Dom Tyson tireless worker got better and better, Jack Watts arose to the occasion has real mental strength, talent and character.

Congratulations to all other recipients. Thanks to all Posters for keeping us all informed as usual, DL is a great place to be when ever there is some MFC / Casey Action going on. GO DEE's, GO Scorp's !!!!

Looking forward to seeing Speeches, etc on MFC Web Site

Edited September 7, 2016 by DeeZone
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[Sir Why You Little 35,227]

7 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm just trying to work out how this message gets relayed. Does the club say to the players, "We think you're cooked and therefore you won't win. We're telling you this because we have to tell our supporters not to come. But go out there and try hard anyway."

Exactly. It's a crappy excuse