Big Max

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

On 4/11/2016 at 10:03 PM, dieter said:

Max killed Goldstein on Sunday. All of his KPI apart from Goldstein's goals - some of them from very dodgy umpiring -  left the lanky Roo for dead. 

This man is a solid rock, Tu Est Petrus, from which to build a Demon dynasty.

He'll no doubt get mortally wounded next week...

Yeh nah.

As Roos said, both Ruckmen were influential for their side on the weekend.

I'm not sure why people say such ridiculous things sometimes. I guess it's the one-eyed supporter thing.

 

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19 hours ago, CBDees said:

63 hit-outs = 2nd most for all-time VFL/AFL record. Our Champion!

edit: Not bad up against an opponent who many regard as the top ruck in the AFL.

Whilst Max was on top in the hitouts vs Goldstein, I think you'll find that many of the hitouts he 'won' were also against Petrie and Brown whilst Goldy was resting.

People seem to think those 63 hitouts were all against Goldy.

 

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1 hour ago, fndee said:

Unless a ruck man is mobile and can pick up possessions around the ground I've always thought that the profession is overrated. However 25 hit outs to advantage is huge. Our biggest issue (admittedly of many) over the years has been constantly been beaten out of the centre or from throw-ins - losing clearances. Having first use 25 times extra a game won't guarantee a Nathan Jones goal every time but at the very least means the opposition hasn't got it. Max got 7 clearances himself as well.

It is very nice to feel that we have a reasonable chance of getting the ball out of centre and around the boundary line rather than it just being another opportunity to get an inside 50.

Viva La Max

Wasnt  JImmy Stynes the most mobile rucks too play the game. Thanks Jim. 

[Little Richard 6,215]

14 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Whilst Max was on top in the hitouts vs Goldstein, I think you'll find that many of the hitouts he 'won' were also against Petrie and Brown whilst Goldy was resting.

People seem to think those 63 hitouts were all against Goldy.

 

Can't we just be happy with a very good performance against the best ruck man in the league? I'd wager most of the hit outs won were against Goldstein.

[monoccular 17,320]

One of many things I love about Max's game is when he gets the hit out, often to advantage, he then doesn't stop, instead offering the shepherd or if not a clean possession to his 'rover' then goes in and gets it himself.

I can't recall seeing that in any MFC (and indeed in very few others) ruckman since Jimmy. 

[H_T 3,032]

10 minutes ago, Django said:

Can't we just be happy with a very good performance against the best ruck man in the league? I'd wager most of the hit outs won were against Goldstein.

If you watch the second quarter, the entire comeback is virtually against Goldstein. This is backed by Gerard Healy in his summation around Gawn's goal when we hit the lead with around 11 mins remaining in the 2nd qtr. He was pivotal. In the quarter up until then he had something like 14 hits to advantage. 

A direct and indirect influence on the outcome of this match in how we came back so hard in such quick time. Huge.

[dazzledavey36 52,765]

23 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Whilst Max was on top in the hitouts vs Goldstein, I think you'll find that many of the hitouts he 'won' were also against Petrie and Brown whilst Goldy was resting.

People seem to think those 63 hitouts were all against Goldy.

 

Your underestimating Gawns hitouts against Goldy. Il bet every dollar that majority of those 25 hitouts to advantage were against Goldstein. I have watched game twice now and Gawn did smash him in the ruck. The around the ground work was probably even considering Goldstein was gifted about 3 cheap goals.

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20 hours ago, Peter Griffen said:

That tap to Dom Tyson.... all class. not a bad finish either from Dom

The flip out the back to Jones who was running at full tilt was pure poetry ( also not a bad finish from Jones)

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2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Your underestimating Gawns hitouts against Goldy. Il bet every dollar that majority of those 25 hitouts to advantage were against Goldstein. I have watched game twice now and Gawn did smash him in the ruck. The around the ground work was probably even considering Goldstein was gifted about 3 cheap goals.

That's the difference. If you remove even 2 of the gifted goals then I reckon Max wins the battle and we win.

[Little Richard 6,215]

7 minutes ago, H_T said:

If you watch the second quarter, the entire comeback is virtually against Goldstein. This is backed by Gerard Healy in his summation around Gawn's goal when we hit the lead with around 11 mins remaining in the 2nd qtr. He was pivotal. In the quarter up until then he had something like 14 hits to advantage. 

A direct and indirect influence on the outcome of this match in how we came back so hard in such quick time. Huge.

Yep, he was enormous. 

All this from a 24 year old with 42 games under his belt. If he continues on this trajectory, Max will be the best ruck in the game by next season.

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I absolutely love that Gawn has taken full responsibility for his own game and set his own standards. He said he wanted to be the best ruckman in the game, had according to Roos the best preseason he has ever seen from a ruck and is now reaping the benefits. He may not quite be there as the #1 ruck in the league yet but he is making some very serious ground. He isn't afraid of failure or being conservative, he has publicly stated his desire and is doing everything he can to get there.

Last year Goldy beat him easily and I reckon Gawn is measuring himself against Goldy. He played his best game ever against what he aspires to be, displaying his competitiveness and improvement. A somewhat unlikely leader of the club now, full credit goes to him (and of course Stafford and the club for their work/faith).

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1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Yeh nah.

As Roos said, both Ruckmen were influential for their side on the weekend.

I'm not sure why people say such ridiculous things sometimes. I guess it's the one-eyed supporter thing.

Whilst Max was on top in the hitouts vs Goldstein, I think you'll find that many of the hitouts he 'won' were also against Petrie and Brown whilst Goldy was resting.

People seem to think those 63 hitouts were all against Goldy.

To coin your phrase "Yeh nah." and "Yeh nah." You on the happy pills Debbie Downer.

Ah hem!  Sorry what's the position he plays again. Oh that's right RUCKMAN.

63 to 38 hit outs against the top ruckman in the league. 25 to 9 hit outs to advantage. And you say people saying he killed Gawny is saying "...such ridiculous things...."

You've got this the wrong way around. Goldstein plays the highest game time of any ruckman in the league. He would have rested less than Gawn which means a reasonable amount of his hit outs were against ah hem, Frost. Whereas they would have rested Gawn when Goldy was resting. 

Plus 3 of Goldsteins goals were from howling umpiring mistakes. Gawny got 18 possessions v 19 against the best mobile ruckman in the comp.  When Cox started getting 18 possessions in a game it was regarded as a revolution and all the experts were calling him the greatest ruckman of all time getting unprecedented possessions. 

Cheer up, there's something positive going on at the moment. Come on you can do it.  BE POSITIVE! Try it, you might like it.

 

 

Edited April 13, 2016 by It's Time

[dazzledavey36 52,765]

Hows this for a belter of an article!

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-crowd/max-gawns-potential-is-so-sky-high-that-he-could-one-day-become-the-greatest-ruckman-in-afl-history/news-story/9a5770275936f7acabe9cea495b9f264

[Its Time for Another 4,084]

I mentioned how Cox was attributed with changing the game because he was the first ruckman to start accumulating possessions like a midfielder, around 18 a game.  My 17 yr old son corrected me. He said do you realise Jimmy Stynes averaged over 25 (25.6) possessions per game in his Brownlow year 1991. He also averaged 23.4 in '92 & 22.2 in '93. His career average was 18.9. Unbelievable. However, lets not forget his primary role was as a ruckman and at only 199cm's he only averaged 10.7 hitouts in his Brownlow year and only 11.8 for his career average. As we've discussed Gawny got 63 on the weekend and 25 to advantage. He is going to be a weapon of rare impact in the ruck but he's still getting possessions around the ground that only a very select group of elite ruckman have achieved. He is undoubtedly on his way to becoming the greatest ruckman of all time. Please, oh please, Norm Smith and the other footy gods leave him alone.

Edited April 13, 2016 by It's Time

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5 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Hows this for a belter of an article!

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-crowd/max-gawns-potential-is-so-sky-high-that-he-could-one-day-become-the-greatest-ruckman-in-afl-history/news-story/9a5770275936f7acabe9cea495b9f264

Lol. I haven't read it yet, but the headline sounds like a Demonland thread topic.  Hyperbole much, Newscorp? Never!

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1 hour ago, AdamFarr said:

Lol. I haven't read it yet, but the headline sounds like a Demonland thread topic.  Hyperbole much, Newscorp? Never!

 

'Gawn is physical, athletic and crafty, making him the complete package, and the greatest talent Melbourne has recruited in the modern era.

There is a long list of talented ruckman in the AFL, but we have just witnessed a change in the pecking order, with a red and blue warrior the best of all.'

 

Author has to be a Demon supporter lol

 

Edit  -  yes he is  http://thecrowd.foxsports.com.au/t5/forums/recentpostspage/post-type/message/user-id/110084   

 

 

Edited April 13, 2016 by Petraccattack

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We have the best young ruck, best young forward, and one of the most emerging midfields in the game. When we do rise, it should be rapid and sustained. Our list is in fairly good shape, we could probably just do with a KP back (Hurley).

[Deestroy All 14,262]

I'm convinced Max wrote it.

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33 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

We have the best young ruck, best young forward, and one of the most emerging midfields in the game. When we do rise, it should be rapid and sustained. Our list is in fairly good shape, we could probably just do with a KP back (Hurley).

We must have a good shot at poaching one or two of the banned gun Bombers with the Goodwin/McCartney influence plus we already have one of their mates in Jake Melksham.

[Skuit 9,958]

Any guesses as to which fate-jinxing hyperbolic optimist on here might be publicly publishing our secret unspoken fantasies of all-time mega-Maximum supremacy?

[ManDee 7,124]

"The future is limitless for Max Gawn, as he has the ability to become the greatest big man this game has ever seen. "

 

That sounds like something I told my son 5 years ago. I hope it is true.

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13 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Hows this for a belter of an article!

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-crowd/max-gawns-potential-is-so-sky-high-that-he-could-one-day-become-the-greatest-ruckman-in-afl-history/news-story/9a5770275936f7acabe9cea495b9f264

Geez, I'm all for optomism but did he have blinkers on while watching the game. Goldsteins performance was pretty damn good. I agree Gawny has the the talent and is the right age but he needs to sustain this over the whole year and into the next few before he takes Goldy's crown. 

"greatest talent Melbourne has recruited in the modern era."
This line though, could be however be the truest statement in the whole article. He is only realisticaly ranked as an "emerging" ruckman and is already the most important player in the side. Right now i think by quite a way. 

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5 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

We have the best young ruck, best young forward, and one of the most emerging midfields in the game. When we do rise, it should be rapid and sustained. Our list is in fairly good shape, we could probably just do with a KP back (Hurley).

This is exactly what has me dreaming of the 'impossible dream'.  As Max continues to develop his game (as I expect he will), our talented but inexperienced midfield should develop and grow around him.  Surely this will lead a period of sustained success, won't it?.  The dream is growing some legs.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

23 hours ago, Django said:

Can't we just be happy with a very good performance against the best ruck man in the league? I'd wager most of the hit outs won were against Goldstein.

 

23 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Your underestimating Gawns hitouts against Goldy. Il bet every dollar that majority of those 25 hitouts to advantage were against Goldstein. I have watched game twice now and Gawn did smash him in the ruck. The around the ground work was probably even considering Goldstein was gifted about 3 cheap goals.

 

22 hours ago, It's Time said:

To coin your phrase "Yeh nah." and "Yeh nah." You on the happy pills Debbie Downer.

Ah hem!  Sorry what's the position he plays again. Oh that's right RUCKMAN.

63 to 38 hit outs against the top ruckman in the league. 25 to 9 hit outs to advantage. And you say people saying he killed Gawny is saying "...such ridiculous things...."

You've got this the wrong way around. Goldstein plays the highest game time of any ruckman in the league. He would have rested less than Gawn which means a reasonable amount of his hit outs were against ah hem, Frost. Whereas they would have rested Gawn when Goldy was resting. 

Plus 3 of Goldsteins goals were from howling umpiring mistakes. Gawny got 18 possessions v 19 against the best mobile ruckman in the comp.  When Cox started getting 18 possessions in a game it was regarded as a revolution and all the experts were calling him the greatest ruckman of all time getting unprecedented possessions. 

Cheer up, there's something positive going on at the moment. Come on you can do it.  BE POSITIVE! Try it, you might like it.

 

 

I was pointing out a fact. Two facts actually.

One of them being that Gawn most certainly didn't 'kill' Goldstein on the weekend and if you chat to any sane, non-biased supporter, you'd find that none of them would be an agreeance with that exaggerated comment.

And the second fact is that the 63 hitouts were also against Brown and Petrie, who aren't ruckmen and more importantly, aren't Goldstein..

Facts. 

Am I not happy? Un-cheered? Or underestimating Gawn's hitouts? 

Of course not. But you lot seem to find it difficult to hear someone who might also praise the efforts of an opposition player who in the eyes of most non-biased supporters would say was equally as influential for their side. So difficult in fact that you chose to think I'm negative, un-happy and underestimating Gawn's hit-outs.

Gawn had an amazing game. Goldy had an amazing game. 

See if you can repeat that without feeling sick. 

 

Edited April 14, 2016 by stevethemanjordan

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Will be interesting to see the 3, 2, 1 of the Brownlow voting for the game last weekend. 3 Goldy, 2 Gawn, 1 Boomer?