Paleo diet could make you gain weight, new scientific research shows

[Romey 172]

Does anyone know if most of the Melbourne players are still following the Paleo diet? 

Research just announced by Melbourne University is not very favourable and makes you wonder whether we were a little hasty jumping on-board this bandwagon. 

http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/diet-and-fitness/paleo-diet-could-make-you-gain-weight-new-scientific-research-shows-20160218-gmy7kp.html

 

[What 18,810]

Told you all the paleo diet was a joke when the MFC announced they were using it.  Believe I was shouted down by a few posters.

Just another useless fad diet created by someone looking for a quick buck.

[monoccular 17,653]

Gain weight?!  Certainly better than a Cale diet then. 

[pineapple dee 2,892]

I did it last year and lost 10 KGs in 10 weeks. I've since kept 8 of those off. It helped me. ( mind you, dropping out the Neapolitan ice cream and curry pies was probably a factor too )

[Mach5 4,768]

39 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Told you all the paleo diet was a joke when the MFC announced they were using it.  Believe I was shouted down by a few posters.

Just another useless fad diet created by someone looking for a quick buck.

 

Pretty sure the club went on a HFLC diet, not paleo.

Pat yourself on the back if you like though.

[Yossarian 1,820]

[Yossarian 1,820]

This isn't worth my time.

[Elusive Tunbridge 795]

The experiment was on mice, which have a noticeably different lifestyle from humans.  Significantly reducing carbs will certainly lead to weight loss if you're a bit overweight, in my limited but very successful experience, but high fat intake will offset that to some extent.  Moderate fat, low carbs, you'll get there.

[McQueen 17,867]

3 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

 

Pretty sure the club went on a HFLC diet, not paleo.

Pat yourself on the back if you like though.

Correct and I don't think it was hard core LCHF either.

My missus is a Dietician and has tried the LCHF 'lifestyle' since the start of the year to satisfy her own curiosity. She now says that she feels ripped off by her degree and can totally see the benefits of this eating lifestyle - one of which has been 8 kg weight loss.

[Its Time for Another 4,303]

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

Correct and I don't think it was hard core LCHF either.

My missus is a Dietician and has tried the LCHF 'lifestyle' since the start of the year to satisfy her own curiosity. She now says that she feels ripped off by her degree and can totally see the benefits of this eating lifestyle - one of which has been 8 kg weight loss.

Excuse my ignorance. What are HFLC and LCHF

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

6 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Excuse my ignorance. What are HFLC and LCHF

Low Carb High Fat/High Fat Low Carb same thing

[Its Time for Another 4,303]

9 minutes ago, Devil is in the Detail said:

Low Carb High Fat/High Fat Low Carb same thing

Thanks.  I basically went on this diet, (calling it Paleo) after I read about Shane Watson and the Cricket Team Dr going on it and raving about it and then reading about the team going on it. I lost about 10kg's and it made a hell of a difference to my stamina on the bike. Don't know if that was because of the diet or not having to push the extra 10kg's up the hills. I thought it was both.

A neighbour up the road went on the Paleo diet 3 yrs ago and has been on it every since. He lost 15kg's and has kept it off. Also had bad arthritis in his hands which is gone plus was on high level blood pressure tablets long term and is now off them completely. 

As I understand it, it is a matter of actual fact that Jack Fitzpatrick's life was changed going on this diet at the Club. It completely transformed his diabetes to the point that he only had to take insulin once a day at the end of the day instead of having to do blood tests constantly throughout the day including during games. 

He's not a mouse so seems to have worked ok for him. If he was a mouse maybe the Uni study would be accurate. 

My wife complains about not losing weight while she goes to dieticians and takes weight loss pills etc and sits there looking at me doing paleo and losing 10kg's. But she knocks it and says its bad. Proof is in the pudding. My friend up the road who lost 15kg's has a wife who has done the same thing. Hangs it on him for doing a fad diet and she is way over weight taking all sorts of ridiculous weight loss supplements etc that cost a fortune and then just puts it all back on.  

The only people knocking the LCHF or Paleo diets seem to be the ones that never try it. I've never heard anyone going on them knocking them.

Edited February 19, 2016 by It's Time

[daisycutter 29,894]

11 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Thanks.  I basically went on this diet, (calling it Paleo) after I read about Shane Watson and the Cricket Team Dr going on it and raving about it and then reading about the team going on it. I lost about 10kg's and it made a hell of a difference to my stamina on the bike. Don't know if that was because of the diet or not having to push the extra 10kg's up the hills. I thought it was both.

A neighbour up the road went on the Paleo diet 3 yrs ago and has been on it every since. He lost 15kg's and has kept it off. Also had bad arthritis in his hands which is gone plus was on high level blood pressure tablets long term and is now off them completely. 

As I understand it, it is a matter of actual fact that Jack Fitzpatrick's life was changed going on this diet at the Club. It completely transformed his diabetes to the point that he only had to take insulin once a day at the end of the day instead of having to do blood tests constantly throughout the day including during games. 

He's not a mouse so seems to have worked ok for him. If he was a mouse maybe the Uni study would be accurate. 

My wife complains about not losing weight while she goes to dieticians and takes weight loss pills etc and sits there looking at me doing paleo and losing 10kg's. But she knocks it and says its bad. Proof is in the pudding. My friend up the road who lost 15kg's has a wife who has done the same thing. Hangs it on him for doing a fad diet and she is way over weight taking all sorts of ridiculous weight loss supplements etc that cost a fortune and then just puts it all back on.  

The only people knocking the LCHF or Paleo diets seem to be the ones that never try it. I've never heard anyone going on them knocking them.

very interesting it's time. can you give us an idea of what you eat (and what you avoid)?

[KingDingAling 3,758]

Wouldn't read too much into it. There appears to be a push to get people to stop eating meat (full stop).

[pineapple dee 2,892]

4 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

Wouldn't read too much into it. There appears to be a push to get people to stop eating meat (full stop).

If we weren't meant to eat meat, how come it's sooooooo tasty ????

[McQueen 17,867]

For every study there is a counter study. Research into diets is forever going to yield varying results. 

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/02/australian-researchers-develop-low-carb-high-protein-and-fat-diet-that-fights-diabetes/

The thing about LCHF eating is whether it's sustainable from a food production pov. 

And to be honest, in order to lose weight it's as simple as creating a deficit in the amount of energy consumed via eating, to the amount of energy burnt via normal bodily function and added exercise routine.

LCHF diet puts the body into a Ketonic state where the body doesnt rely on normal glycogen to operate.

http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/ketosis.html

Tim Noakes is the Sth African Scientist who has basically the instigated the 'Banting' craze that has engulfed much of Southern Africa and subsequently caused much conjecture about its long term benefits. He's currently in a court case after making a recommendation on Twitter regards an infant eating LCHF.

http://realmealrevolution.com/

[rjay 25,307]

45 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Thanks.  I basically went on this diet, (calling it Paleo) after I read about Shane Watson and the Cricket Team Dr going on it and raving about it and then reading about the team going on it. I lost about 10kg's and it made a hell of a difference to my stamina on the bike. Don't know if that was because of the diet or not having to push the extra 10kg's up the hills. I thought it was both.

A neighbour up the road went on the Paleo diet 3 yrs ago and has been on it every since. He lost 15kg's and has kept it off. Also had bad arthritis in his hands which is gone plus was on high level blood pressure tablets long term and is now off them completely. 

As I understand it, it is a matter of actual fact that Jack Fitzpatrick's life was changed going on this diet at the Club. It completely transformed his diabetes to the point that he only had to take insulin once a day at the end of the day instead of having to do blood tests constantly throughout the day including during games. 

He's not a mouse so seems to have worked ok for him. If he was a mouse maybe the Uni study would be accurate. 

My wife complains about not losing weight while she goes to dieticians and takes weight loss pills etc and sits there looking at me doing paleo and losing 10kg's. But she knocks it and says its bad. Proof is in the pudding. My friend up the road who lost 15kg's has a wife who has done the same thing. Hangs it on him for doing a fad diet and she is way over weight taking all sorts of ridiculous weight loss supplements etc that cost a fortune and then just puts it all back on.  

The only people knocking the LCHF or Paleo diets seem to be the ones that never try it. I've never heard anyone going on them knocking them.

It's going to be interesting to see how this all pans out over the next 10 or so years. This diet or lifestyle diet is relatively new so I would say the jury is still out...

Will this lifestyle diet stack up in the long run? will it decrease or keep us at a healthy weight? many swear by it. Will it increase problems in other areas like heart disease and cancer.

Too soon to tell.

Edited February 19, 2016 by rjay

[beelzebub 23,390]

My wife has been pretty well Paleo for months now ( except she likes a wine ) . I've taken on board many of its precepts. Much makes sense. I'm more of a "clean food" than Paleo as I don't mind some grains, don't mind some dairy (cheese, milk and yoghurt )buti watch the quality of the food and mainly cookfrom raw and cut out the unnecessary preservatives etc.

Paleo is very misunderstood and misrepresented. You eat a hell of a lot of veggies , it's not just steak and eggs with bacon on the side. 

This so-called study borders on farce. What was it actually setting out to do ? Mice aren't humans.

There's a lot of manipulation of the media to suit vested interests.Many a major conglomerate are a bit twitchy. They wouldn't want too many to cross over to real food instead of mass produced food look-a-likes full of rubbish !!

These studies remind me of the Health research carried out with Tobacco money..Remember those..' Ah smoking ain't so bad !!' 

It's not just about HFLC.  It's also about presevetative free and organic ingredients. About the balance etc

There's a lot of rubbish food out there masquerading as healthy. A lot of money made from it. 

Think about it.

Edited February 19, 2016 by beelzebub

[Chook 15,023]

Food makes you gain weight if you eat too much of it. It doesn't matter what you're eating. What matters is what makes you feel full. Paleo makes me feel full. Ergo, paleo is good...for me.

[DemonFrog 1,359]

7 hours ago, pineapple dee said:

I did it last year and lost 10 KGs in 10 weeks. I've since kept 8 of those off. It helped me. ( mind you, dropping out the Neapolitan ice cream and curry pies was probably a factor too )

The perfect diet is when you do nothing but still lose weight 

[Dan005 23]

Interesting thread guys. 

I'm a Paleo/HFLC fan over the past three years or so and only have good things to report. I've met the Demon Dr Zee and he's very interested (and follower) of this lifestyle. I was impressed and a tad surprised that he and obviously the dieticians at the club have taken on this approach. 

For me it's just about eating real food, lots of veg, a little fruit, moderate amounts of meat and plenty of good fats from sources such as eggs, nuts, avocados and healthy oils like olive/coconut and macadamia.

Perhaps it just works for me (increase muscle/strength, decrease fat) as I'm a pretty active guy (not mouse) but I think it's helped many other who are less active. 

[beelzebub 23,390]

Pleasantly surprised where some sit on this

[Dan005 23]

2 hours ago, Chook said:

Food makes you gain weight if you eat too much of it. It doesn't matter what you're eating. What matters is what makes you feel full. Paleo makes me feel full. Ergo, paleo is good...for me.

Can't say l really agree with this tho I think l know what you are trying to say.

It really really does matter what you eat, I used to be someone who thought calories consumed vs calories burnt was all there was to it, but like many things in life it's not that simple. 

If interested the link below is interesting and not too technical  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/calories_b_5126008.html

[Dr. Gonzo 24,451]

I'm someone who doesn't usually exercise much being in an office job and eats a lot of carbs - toast for breakfast, sandwich/roll for lunch, pasta/rice for dinner every other day. Last year I started making my own cereal ("paleo" Granola), eating chicken salads and roast veggies for lunch and eggs, tuna, steak with veggies for dinner. I wasn't a nazi about but did cut down on carbs dramatically. I also started doing some exercise every other day - 20-30 minutes on the bike and 45-50 minutes of weights.

Within a few weeks I'd lost about 7kgs and was feeling great. Xmas got in the way and I fell off the wagon, it's easy making Pasta for dinner and hard fitting in exercise with two small kids but I can definitely vouch for this. I think the trick is to be flexible and make it a "low" carb not a "no" carb diet.

[Chook 15,023]

2 hours ago, Dan005 said:

Can't say l really agree with this tho I think l know what you are trying to say.

It really really does matter what you eat, I used to be someone who thought calories consumed vs calories burnt was all there was to it, but like many things in life it's not that simple. 

If interested the link below is interesting and not too technical  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/calories_b_5126008.html

Just because lab calorie counts do not stack up to what humans actually extract during digestion, doesn't mean the concept of calories in vs calories out is incorrect. It just means that the two different methods of measuring calories are not precisely equivalent.