Is Nathan Jones captain material?

[spirit of norm smith 16,459]

Ridiculous thread. Lock it administration and move on ... Jonesy is a great leader. Poorly let down by others.

[Pates 9,660]

Don't quite know where to begin on this so I'll just answer the OP's question. Yes he is captain material. How many times has he kicked the "captains goal" this year when we've been in front and game in the balance? For crying out loud two weeks ago when every other player was missing goals to put Collingwood to bed he was the one that stepped up and put it through the middle. He's adored by the players, always goes in for the hard ball putting his body on the line and until Bernie came along was streets ahead as our best player.

He had a bad one on the weekend, truth is when I was watching him he didn't look right. He bumped into Lin Jong he bounce off him, Lin Jong! Whether he was just off or off his game it was probably one of his worst games for a long time.

But is he captaincy material? Give me a spell.

[Coq au vin 755]

Jones is ok as an interim captain. Hogan will be captain in a few years - if he stays.

[ManDee 7,148]

Yes.

[olisik 4,060]

Hogan would make an awesome captain. He would only accept excellence from the team

[Coup Cooper 610]

I think not, I am yet to see him stand up in a big game and pull us back from being down like today. He struggles with a tag and his impact has been minimal recently.

I suggest you open your eyes or actually attend games maybe?

Geelong... Shrugged a tackle from a standing start., drills one from 50.

Collingwood (Win).. Kicked a set shot from 50 to sink the pies.

Richmond.. Kicked a crucial snap when the game was on the line..

Collingwood (loss) Had 34 and kicked 2..

Aside from a few games everything else is practically 20 touches + and a goal minimum..

He has taken Brayshaw under his wing & even took Pendles by the scruff of his neck at half time to send a message to the pies that we were there and meant business..

[olisik 4,060]

I suggest you open your eyes or actually attend games maybe?

Geelong... Shrugged a tackle from a standing start., drills one from 50.

Collingwood (Win).. Kicked a set shot from 50 to sink the pies.

Richmond.. Kicked a crucial snap when the game was on the line..

Collingwood (loss) Had 34 and kicked 2..

Aside from a few games everything else is practically 20 touches + and a goal minimum..

He has taken Brayshaw under his wing & even took Pendles by the scruff of his neck at half time to send a message to the pies that we were there and meant business..

It isn't just what he does himself but he also needs to let the other MFC players know when they arn't performing and pull their finger out of their ass. Not just run back to the center circle for another ball up after a player majorly [censored] up by being lazy

[Little Richard 6,262]

Don't quite know where to begin on this so I'll just answer the OP's question. Yes he is captain material. How many times has he kicked the "captains goal" this year when we've been in front and game in the balance? For crying out loud two weeks ago when every other player was missing goals to put Collingwood to bed he was the one that stepped up and put it through the middle. He's adored by the players, always goes in for the hard ball putting his body on the line and until Bernie came along was streets ahead as our best player.

He had a bad one on the weekend, truth is when I was watching him he didn't look right. He bumped into Lin Jong he bounce off him, Lin Jong! Whether he was just off or off his game it was probably one of his worst games for a long time.

But is he captaincy material? Give me a spell.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was another suffering from the flu after watching him on the weekend. Did also notice that he wasn't the battering-ram he usually is.

[stuie 7,374]

I think the question here isn't about his ability as a footballer, his quality as a bloke, or the fact he can kick the occasional "captain's goal", it's about his ability to bring the team together, to organize them when we're a mess, and to be our voice on the field.

The problem I see is that Nate is great at leading by example, but not so great at getting us organized or giving verbal instructions. For some teams that might not matter, but for a team that struggles so badly at sticking to it's structures and knowing what to do it certainly doesn't help.

All that said, at this stage there isn't anyone who is a better option, and he probably needs some help from the rest of the leadership group, as leadership isn't purely up to just the captain.

[Ungarie boy 233]

Simple answer ..... Yes!

Complicated answer ......................... Yes!

As a passionate demon I'm almost offended such a tread, discussion exists.

Having Michael Voss at his best would not have made any difference. Remember you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink and as many demonlanders have stated, throughout numerous other threads, some dee's are already in the exit lounge and no amount of leadership will change their approach.

Also note that it is a load of b#llsh!t that an introverted personality does not make a good captain. Often they make the best, as when they make a statement, everyone follows (listens). Sometimes an extroverted personality as a captain can be to outgoing and seen as not serious or responsible. If you want an insight at a club into captain material take a look at it's player player votes (over a few seasons) and you will quickly see where the respects lies.

Edited August 18, 2015 by Ungarie boy

[Little Richard 6,262]

I think the question here isn't about his ability as a footballer, his quality as a bloke, or the fact he can kick the occasional "captain's goal", it's about his ability to bring the team together, to organize them when we're a mess, and to be our voice on the field.

The problem I see is that Nate is great at leading by example, but not so great at getting us organized or giving verbal instructions. For some teams that might not matter, but for a team that struggles so badly at sticking to it's structures and knowing what to do it certainly doesn't help.

All that said, at this stage there isn't anyone who is a better option, and he probably needs some help from the rest of the leadership group, as leadership isn't purely up to just the captain.

Did you see the week he was wearing a mic whilst playing? Think it may have been the first match against the Dogs.

He was yelling like a maniac all day, directing the players, encouraging them and giving them due congratulations when a goal was kicked etc. I don't think he's an introvert on the field at all. Maybe off the field he just doesn't like talking to the media. We don't know how he behaves behind closed doors at the club.

[olisik 4,060]

Did you see the week he was wearing a mic whilst playing? Think it may have been the first match against the Dogs.

He was yelling like a maniac all day, directing the players, encouraging them and giving them due congratulations when a goal was kicked etc. I don't think he's an introvert on the field at all. Maybe off the field he just doesn't like talking to the media. We don't know how he behaves behind closed doors at the club.

I could hear him but are the players responding to him?

Right now it doesnt seem like they are...

[stuie 7,374]

Did you see the week he was wearing a mic whilst playing? Think it may have been the first match against the Dogs.

He was yelling like a maniac all day, directing the players, encouraging them and giving them due congratulations when a goal was kicked etc. I don't think he's an introvert on the field at all. Maybe off the field he just doesn't like talking to the media. We don't know how he behaves behind closed doors at the club.

I'm just going by the onfield evidence that I can see, obviously there's a lot we don't know, but we do look like a mess out there and I would think that's the responsibility of our leaders, of which Jonesy is the head.

[Biffen 12,943]

I'm just going by the onfield evidence that I can see, obviously there's a lot we don't know, but we do look like a mess out there and I would think that's the responsibility of our leaders, of which Jonesy is the head.

Go and undermine the Skipper in tough times!!

Typical Stuie!

[stuie 7,374]

Go and undermine the Skipper in tough times!!

Typical Stuie!

Sorry Biff, I know it's more your style to pick on girls rather than footy players.

[Dr. Mubutu 853]

When Jack Viney is ready, he'll be our next captain. Lock it in.

[Gorgoroth 12,951]

I bet Voss would have made the horse drink... Ha ha

[daisycutter 29,616]

Sorry Biff, I know it's more your style to pick on girls rather than footy players.

you seem to have lost your moral compass on this one stuie

[Bitter but optimistic 22,239]

Stuie "The Snitch" and moral compass!!!!! Bwahaha!! Bwahahah!!!

[stuie 7,374]

you seem to have lost your moral compass on this one stuie

Stuie "The Snitch" and moral compass!!!!! Bwahaha!! Bwahahah!!!

[junk 342]

What would Luke Hodge do if he was captain of the mfc? He would probably be jumping up and down demanding answers from his leadership group,players and coach,he would also expect players to incur some form of physical punishment i.e 10 Klm the next day plus

much more. Talking about existing problems doesn't always work. Nat Jones doesn't inspire me as a captain,probably should look outside the club.

[Davos 920]

Hogan would make an awesome captain. He would only accept excellence from the team

Argh.

[monoccular 17,428]

Best we have.

The difference between him and say Luke Hodge is Hodge won't accept second rate from himself or his team mates and will spray them when required.

jones is too introverted and about his own game, not a bigger picture/team view which some one like Ling or Maxwell was.

The difference between him and Luke Hodge as a leader are the players he has around him. Pretty hard to rate Jones with this list I would think.

I don't think he's physically right. According to AFL stats, he only had 74% game time - less than everyone except Grimes & Jetta.

Jones was definitely one of the ones who lifted & got us going in the third quarter.

I don't think the captaincy is the problem.

If the whispers are correct, he (and many others) has been struggling to even get on the track the past two (or three) weeks.

He is definitely our leader.

To say "Luke Hodge is Hodge won't accept second rate from himself" is to suggest that Nathan will, which IMO is a bloody insult.

You go out and lead the team? OMG!!!

Edited August 18, 2015 by monoccular

[the pearl 36]

Stats chaser.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

If the horse hasn't bolted, the reins may be handed to Viney/McDonald/Hogan in 2-3 years