THE SAGA CONTINUES - WADA APPEALS

[Trisul 664]

I tried to trace it to Hird but all I found was Goodwin to Dank.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Trisul
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[Fork 'em 6,984]

Disgraceful really
Poor decision employing Goodwin.
And now Melksham.
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[Chris 2,892]

48 minutes ago, Trisul said:

I tried to trace it to Hird but all I found was Goodwin to Dank.

The Good stuff Goodwin was referring to in this was for his own use, not the players so there is no issue. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

1 hour ago, Trisul said:

I tried to trace it to Hird but all I found was Goodwin to Dank.

Interesting. I had not seen that so Bing is correct. 

But the transcript i saw was between Dank and Hird concerning the Carlton game. 

So i guess Hex was known to all as the "Good Stuff"....

[jnrmac 20,097]

1 hour ago, Fork 'em said:

Disgraceful really
Poor decision employing Goodwin.
And now Melksham.
.
 
 

Did you read the article? It said that Hexalarin had been cleared by ASADA for coaches. Whats the problem?

[Fork 'em 6,984]

The problem is that along with being pinged for gambling on AFL games it appears he makes poor decisions.

 

Edited January 1, 2016 by Fork 'em

[bing181 9,242]

3 hours ago, CBDees said:

Bing is just attempting to wind everybody up, to what end I am not sure.

Google not working?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-13/second-coach-implicated-in-essendon-crisis/4626450

The ABC's 7.30 has obtained text messages between Goodwin and Dank which detail Goodwin repeatedly asking the sports scientist to keep him personally supplied with "the good stuff".

In a text message sent by Goodwin to Dank at the end of June 2012, Goodwin wrote to Dank "Don't forget the good gear today buddy."

Then on July 5, 2012, Goodwin again wrote to Dank, "Don't forget the good gear mate."

Six days later, Goodwin wrote to Dank, "Bring some of the good stuff in buddy."

The next day, on July 12, 2012, Goodwin wrote to Dank "Sorry mate forgot to see you yesterday. Am heading to Adelaide today can you please bring some of the good stuff in buddy."

Dank has told 7.30 that the "the good stuff" is a reference to Hexarelin.

On Saturday 7.30 contacted Goodwin, who declined to comment, citing ASADA's current investigation.

Edited January 1, 2016 by bing181

[bing181 9,242]

1 hour ago, Fork 'em said:

The problem is that along with being pinged for gambling on AFL games it appears he makes poor decisions.

Only if he doesn't learn from them.

We all make poor decisions at one time or another.

[Dees2014 2,377]

9 hours ago, bing181 said:

Google not working?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-13/second-coach-implicated-in-essendon-crisis/4626450

The ABC's 7.30 has obtained text messages between Goodwin and Dank which detail Goodwin repeatedly asking the sports scientist to keep him personally supplied with "the good stuff".

In a text message sent by Goodwin to Dank at the end of June 2012, Goodwin wrote to Dank "Don't forget the good gear today buddy."

Then on July 5, 2012, Goodwin again wrote to Dank, "Don't forget the good gear mate."

Six days later, Goodwin wrote to Dank, "Bring some of the good stuff in buddy."

The next day, on July 12, 2012, Goodwin wrote to Dank "Sorry mate forgot to see you yesterday. Am heading to Adelaide today can you please bring some of the good stuff in buddy."

Dank has told 7.30 that the "the good stuff" is a reference to Hexarelin.

On Saturday 7.30 contacted Goodwin, who declined to comment, citing ASADA's current investigation.

It is the attitude here from Goodwin which worries me. Clearly he believes it is ok personally to take performance enhancing drugs, which very much fits into the Hird credo, who has been taking them for years through his long term friendship with Charters.  The question I have is how far does this philosophy go. Both Hird and Goodwin have demonstrated by these actions that they are not unfamiliar with obtaining and using performance enhancing drugs.

Is this the sort of mindset that we want in our coach who we hope will take us into a new golden era. You couldn't imagine highly disciplined and perfectionist coaches like Clarkson or Lyon having such slack and dodgy personal habits and thoughts.

I know people on here do not like me saying this, but why was any of this not uncovered by the MFC in their supposedly extensive due diligence, or worse still, did they simply ignore it?

 

 

 

[rjay 24,939]

15 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

It is the attitude here from Goodwin which worries me. Clearly he believes it is ok personally to take performance enhancing drugs, which very much fits into the Hird credo, who has been taking them for years through his long term friendship with Charters.  The question I have is how far does this philosophy go. Both Hird and Goodwin have demonstrated by these actions that they are not unfamiliar with obtaining and using performance enhancing drugs.

Is this the sort of mindset that we want in our coach who we hope will take us into a new golden era. You couldn't imagine highly disciplined and perfectionist coaches like Clarkson or Lyon having such slack and dodgy personal habits and thoughts.

I know people on here do not like me saying this, but why was any of this not uncovered by the MFC in their supposedly extensive due diligence, or worse still, did they simply ignore it?

 

 

 

I could and they do. No one is perfect, Clarkson's personal control is an issue and flares from time to time and Lyon's backroom dealings have been interesting to say the least.

 

[Lucifers Hero 39,868]

10 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

It is the attitude here from Goodwin which worries me. Clearly he believes it is ok personally to take performance enhancing drugs, which very much fits into the Hird credo, who has been taking them for years through his long term friendship with Charters.  The question I have is how far does this philosophy go. Both Hird and Goodwin have demonstrated by these actions that they are not unfamiliar with obtaining and using performance enhancing drugs.

Is this the sort of mindset that we want in our coach who we hope will take us into a new golden era. You couldn't imagine highly disciplined and perfectionist coaches like Clarkson or Lyon having such slack and dodgy personal habits and thoughts.

I know people on here do not like me saying this, but why was any of this not uncovered by the MFC in their supposedly extensive due diligence, or worse still, did they simply ignore it?

I don't know why you keep harping on about this and keep criticising the club!  There was nothing to uncover as the ABC article bing181 quotes was in April 2013 and Goodwin was recruited late 2013.  The club knew all there was to know.  Do you really think the club did not grill him on it!  Do you really think they simply ignored the ABC report and other information they gathered. 

Simply, the club made a rational decision on Goodwin, weighing up the risks and making whatever contingency plans were necessary.  We now have smart operators running our club and to pot them is just plain silly...  Anyway, the subject of Goodwin's appointment was done to death on this thread about 25 pages ago! 

BTW, I think you still owe 'binman' answers to his questions.

[Trisul 664]

I'm no lawyer d2014 but I'd revise parts of your post if I'd made it.

[bing181 9,242]

7 hours ago, Dees2014 said:

... but why was any of this not uncovered by the MFC in their supposedly extensive due diligence, or worse still, did they simply ignore it?

None of the above.

It was reviewed, it was discussed, and the club (obviously) came to a different conclusion to you.

[Chris 2,892]

8 hours ago, Dees2014 said:

It is the attitude here from Goodwin which worries me. Clearly he believes it is ok personally to take performance enhancing drugs, which very much fits into the Hird credo, who has been taking them for years through his long term friendship with Charters.  The question I have is how far does this philosophy go. Both Hird and Goodwin have demonstrated by these actions that they are not unfamiliar with obtaining and using performance enhancing drugs.

Is this the sort of mindset that we want in our coach who we hope will take us into a new golden era. You couldn't imagine highly disciplined and perfectionist coaches like Clarkson or Lyon having such slack and dodgy personal habits and thoughts.

I know people on here do not like me saying this, but why was any of this not uncovered by the MFC in their supposedly extensive due diligence, or worse still, did they simply ignore it?

 

 

 

Every coach who takes the good codral cold and flu takes a WADA banned drug. I don't care what the coach takes, as long as it is legal, as long as they don't ask the players to cheat. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

9 minutes ago, Chris said:

Every coach who takes the good codral cold and flu takes a WADA banned drug. I don't care what the coach takes, as long as it is legal, as long as they don't ask the players to cheat. 

Yes the Yellow Centers in a Codral would get me nice and high on a friday night many years ago

Over the counter.....

[Willmoy1947 4,096]

59 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes the Yellow Centers in a Codral would get me nice and high on a friday night many years ago

Over the counter.....

That rings a bell. Funny how there used to be quite a few pharmacy at the front, residence at the back, type places in Prahran, Malvern and Balaclava,

that used to hold ripper parties, walk in off the road if you wanted to....

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

14 minutes ago, willmoy said:

That rings a bell. Funny how there used to be quite a few pharmacy at the front, residence at the back, type places in Prahran, Malvern and Balaclava,

that used to hold ripper parties, walk in off the road if you wanted to....

There was a cane furniture place in Caulfield that was lit up till about 4am back in the early 80's

whatever ya wanted!!

[Willmoy1947 4,096]

10 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

There was a cane furniture place in Caulfield that was lit up till about 4am back in the early 80's

whatever ya wanted!!

What about the all night pharmacy opposite the Turf Club in Dandy Road in late 60s. Nobody knew it was there until "someone" fell over the front fence

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

2 hours ago, willmoy said:

What about the all night pharmacy opposite the Turf Club in Dandy Road in late 60s. Nobody knew it was there until "someone" fell over the front fence

I remember the Turf Club across the road from CIT

But in the 60's i was just being born. I was on the hunt in the late 70's!!

Mods stayed awake!!

[beelzebub 23,379]

I've been way laidand stuck in a dank ( yukyuk) hotel near Montreal airport thanks to  Canada's offering to a fcuked up airline.

Any happy news here... ???

 

[old dee 23,792]

6 hours ago, beelzebub said:

I've been way laidand stuck in a dank ( yukyuk) hotel near Montreal airport thanks to  Canada's offering to a fcuked up airline.

Any happy news here... ???

 

I woke up alive this morning. Hell of a start to a day BB

 

 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,805]

On 1/2/2016 at 11:17 AM, Dees2014 said:

It is the attitude here from Goodwin which worries me. Clearly he believes it is ok personally to take performance enhancing drugs, which very much fits into the Hird credo, who has been taking them for years through his long term friendship with Charters.  The question I have is how far does this philosophy go. Both Hird and Goodwin have demonstrated by these actions that they are not unfamiliar with obtaining and using performance enhancing drugs.

Is this the sort of mindset that we want in our coach who we hope will take us into a new golden era. You couldn't imagine highly disciplined and perfectionist coaches like Clarkson or Lyon having such slack and dodgy personal habits and thoughts.

I know people on here do not like me saying this, but why was any of this not uncovered by the MFC in their supposedly extensive due diligence, or worse still, did they simply ignore it?

 

 

 

My level of concern about Goodwin is limited to the fact that he kept calling Dank "buddy" and "mate". However, I am grateful he didn't call him "pal". That would be going too far.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Mixed feelings about the Goodwin/Hexarelin thing. I really disapprove of the demonstrated casual attitude to having banned drugs around ... and I don't mean cold tablets, but growth hormones and hormone act-alikes. You'd think any upright official would have their hair stand on end at the very thought of such stuff on the premises. If only in fear of the consequences should ASADA come knocking, let along any side effects on the players' health.

On the other hand ... there is a suspicion that many clubs were "on the edge" with "supplements" (a few seconds thought conjures the names of several clubs) and if there was a culture throughout AFL clubs of tolerance if not outright approval, then it may be unfair to single out Goodwin. The AFL sure didn't want to find out anything in their amazingly efficient "audit" of the 17 other clubs ... "Attention all clubs ... we will be auditing your use of supplements ... attention ... attention ... we're coming in ... (have you shredded your documents yet?) ... here we come ready or not ... well how about that! No evidence of supplement abuse! What a relief."

(I recognise that it's highly likely that no other club was doing it on the industrial scale that EFC were.)

Doesn't mean he wasn't in the wrong but unless we were party to the MFC interview with Goodwin, we'll never know what they asked and why they didn't lower the boom gate.

But don't be surprised if WADA lower the boom gate on him instead. It's still very possible.

[old dee 23,792]

So when is the decision?

It was going to be before Christmas that is 11 days ago.

Yes I know it has been the big break in between but surely people are now out of their caves.

This  saga is longer than "Blue Hills"

 

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Journos threw darts at a calendar, OD. But CAS themselves said week of Jan 11. Only 7 more sleeps.