Training - Thursday 8th May, 2014

[ManDee 7,077]

Patience grasshopper. The training is complete when you acquire patience.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,148]

They can certainly lengthen the suspension.

That's I wouldn't bother tonight.

[old dee 22,848]

Not much training news, chip and spencer weren't out there again

I'd expect Garland to come back in, trained strongly

Everyone (players and supporters) from what I witnessed and heard ignored the Viney situation

Saw Roosy talking to Fitzy telling him last week his performance was a lot better, unsure whether he'll come back in though

Pretty impressed with Riley, expect him to get his chance sooner rather than later

If the Viney suspension continues he must be close this weekend.

Frawley is 426 if you use the normal injury advice.

I suspect Garland will be in for him.

[The Chazz 4,077]

They can certainly lengthen the suspension.

That's I wouldn't bother tonight.

Are you sure?

I don't believe they can. While I hope tonight won't provide it, I need proof sorry! (Not being a smart ass, I'm just very confident that they aren't allowed to!).

[rpfc 27,448]

1. Rough Conduct (High Bumps)

The Player Rules provide that a player will be guilty of rough

conduct where in the bumping of an opponent (whether reasonably or

unreasonably) he causes forceful contact to be made with any part of

his body to an opponent’s head or neck unless

a. he player was contesting the ball and did not have a realistic

alternative way to contest the ball; or

b. the forceful contact to the head or neck was caused by

circumstances outside the control of the player which could not

reasonably be foreseen.

This is from the rule book.

He is allowed to contest the ball - he hit it.

Lynch was tackled as he began his 'bump' (or 'brace' or whatever semantics we wish to use) and it brought his jaw into play and Jack could not have 'foreseen' a 192cm persons jaw to be in line with his shoulder on his 175cm frame.

If the Tribunal applied the 'laws' as they stand - Jack would be playing these next two weeks.

Don't blame the law.

[P-man 13,168]

Worst training thread ever?

Big call.

[dbj1983 138]

Frawley still 50/50. WIll be having a jab in toe tomorrow and see how he pulls up on Sat morning. Wants to play (and is hopeful) but sounding highly unlikley.

[DemonOX 8,530]

Wants to play (and is hopeful) but sounding highly unlikley.

U could almost say the same about his contract except replace play with stay!

[old dee 22,848]

U could almost say the same about his contract except replace play with stay!

A little cynical there DemonOX?

[nutbean 8,837]

You're premise is only true if a collision is a bump.

This is also what I don't understand from the " follow the letter of the law - he is guilty" camp.

Defining bumping is the issue - in real life you can voluntarily and involuntarily bump ( did Viney involuntarily bump into Lynch - of course) . You would hope that a bump in AFL would be defined as a premeditated intentional action. Viney was slowing and was bracing so you would hope that comes sense would dictate that you exclude that as a bump. All talk by the AFL has been "if you CHOOSE to bump" - Viney didn't choose to bump. I just bumped into the door at work and bruised my leg - I certainly didn't chose to.

Defining reasonable alternative is the other issue - with under half a second to decide - again,you would hope that AFL would define pivoting, pirouetting or jumping out the way as not a reasonable alternative.

To me it comes down to definitions.

[Pates 9,536]

So I went to training, first time for a long time, so I'll give you a little rundown of what I observed.

They did a few different sort of match simulation drills; running the ball out of defense, passing to leads etc. Not really too much to tell, some were cleaner than others, a couple of times the usual suspects butchered the ball but players like Salem were a standout at hitting targets.

Watts and Dawes came off a little early but neither were concerned, just management it looks like. Watts will play.

Frawley was nowhere to be seen but it wasn't unexpected, he'll be selected to play but whether or not he does is another story. If he doesn't I'd like to see Garlo given a crack up forward or bring in Gawn for a tall target. The only downer for me was Fitzy didn't seem into it, I don't know if he's carrying an injury of some kind but he was probably the only one a felt dissapointed by.

I kept forgetting who no. 27 was but once I realised it was Reilly I was excited. If Viney ends up being sent to the gallows I reckon he should be given a crack, he looks good.

The last drill I saw was where a player had to pick up the ball and then bounce off 4 teammates with the collision bags. Naturally Nate Jones loved this, and he copped a good whack from someone so he demanded the bag for himself, he was the last impact player so needless to say he put his full body in it. The boys were laughing it up, when Viney went in there comments like "good spin" and "two weeks" were being thrown around. The highlight though was when Tyson stepped up and bounced off everyone and then evaded Jonesy with him ending up falling flat on his face. Ended up in a "brawl" with everyone sort of piling on top of Jones.

Atmosphere was really good, chatter was up and everyone was in good spirits. A pies fan walked up to Dawes and suggested we should get NikNat, Dawes said, "nah we don't need him".

I didn't stay till the end but there wasn't much media presence which surprised me a little. Maybe they turn up afterwards though so I'm not sure.

[old dee 22,848]

So I went to training, first time for a long time, so I'll give you a little rundown of what I observed.

They did a few different sort of match simulation drills; running the ball out of defense, passing to leads etc. Not really too much to tell, some were cleaner than others, a couple of times the usual suspects butchered the ball but players like Salem were a standout at hitting targets.

Watts and Dawes came off a little early but neither were concerned, just management it looks like. Watts will play.

Frawley was nowhere to be seen but it wasn't unexpected, he'll be selected to play but whether or not he does is another story. If he doesn't I'd like to see Garlo given a crack up forward or bring in Gawn for a tall target. The only downer for me was Fitzy didn't seem into it, I don't know if he's carrying an injury of some kind but he was probably the only one a felt dissapointed by.

I kept forgetting who no. 27 was but once I realised it was Reilly I was excited. If Viney ends up being sent to the gallows I reckon he should be given a crack, he looks good.

The last drill I saw was where a player had to pick up the ball and then bounce off 4 teammates with the collision bags. Naturally Nate Jones loved this, and he copped a good whack from someone so he demanded the bag for himself, he was the last impact player so needless to say he put his full body in it. The boys were laughing it up, when Viney went in there comments like "good spin" and "two weeks" were being thrown around. The highlight though was when Tyson stepped up and bounced off everyone and then evaded Jonesy with him ending up falling flat on his face. Ended up in a "brawl" with everyone sort of piling on top of Jones.

Atmosphere was really good, chatter was up and everyone was in good spirits. A pies fan walked up to Dawes and suggested we should get NikNat, Dawes said, "nah we don't need him".

I didn't stay till the end but there wasn't much media presence which surprised me a little. Maybe they turn up afterwards though so I'm not sure.

They are all busy setting up for the appeal tonight Pates.

Most of them find it hard to walk and chew at the same time.

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

Good afternoon, just got back

Correct, Jack Watts reckons the pain he experienced was like being hit with a Taser (must have had some wild weekends in Brighton to know what a Taser feels like), said disc had played up, but he is fine for the weekend

Asked Chris Dawes to emit a small growl when he goes and stands next to Dale Morris on Saturday night, thankfully he laughed and didn't kill me

The last drill mentioned by Pates was entertaining to watch, apart from Nate Jones copping it, Tom McDonald slipped when it was his go and got absolutely hammered, the comments when it was Jack Viney's turn were great to hear

On Jack Viney, spoke to him, he is cool, whatever will be will be, more [censored] off they have a fine system in the playing group for every time you appear in the newspaper, reckon its cost him a fortune

And asked Daniel Cross his opinion on both young sets of midfielders, said the Bulldogs were ahead in development as of today, but in the long run the best of the lot will be Jack Viney

Can't see Frawley playing, I was told no train no play and he has missed both sessions, Col Garland was 'really' non committal when I asked him if he was in

On to the Toump, told him I was asking on behalf of supporters on this board, told me he was fine putting everything he said, paraphrasing

His head is in a good space, he is a second year midfielder with a long career ahead of him hopefully

Disappointed he is not in AFL side but aiming to deliver consistently, matter of waiting for somebody to get injured or lose form, have to earn place now, if you want to force the issue you need to be exceptional for 2 o 3 games at Casey rather than just consistently good

Got exactly the same response from both Tapscott and Clisby, coaches are pleased with their output but they have to bide their time or be exceptional, Tappy looking forward to the weekend because he is now fully match fit again

Jordie McKenzie was sent back to Casey, he is expected to become more 'rounded', midfielders are expected now to be able to kick goals, create, inside and outside, run both ways etc etc.......he also explained that when players are given a role they sit down with the coaches and are given five or six dot points of what is expected from them in that role

As for the ruck division question, Pedersen trained for only the second time I have seen with the other rucks (Jamar, Fitzpatrick, Gawn) and Greg Stafford, so think the ruck combo for Saturday will be the same

Dean Kent absolutely [censored] he got suspended, he was ready to try and force his way back in

Didn't get a a chance to speak with Strauss he zoomed away

Think that is about it

Any questions feel free

Edited May 8, 2014 by Satyriconhome

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,395]

Good work, Satyr.

[hardtack 10,126]

Not much training going on, by the sounds of it...

Still, getting sick of the Viney topic until we get a result.

#freeviney

I think today's training comprised encounter group sessions, meditation and a spa bath.

Edited May 8, 2014 by hardtack

[DemonOX 8,530]

A little cynical there DemonOX?

Yes old dee it come and goes.

[dees189227 10,762]

Correct, Jack Watts reckons the pain he experienced was like being hit with a Taser (must have had some wild weekends in Brighton to know what a Taser feels like), said disc had played up, but he is fine for the weekend

Its like when people say it felt like they'd been shot. unless they have been shot how would they know.

RE Frawley I thought Roos said he wont train thursday but he will play. I guess they will give him to saturday.

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

Correct, Jack Watts reckons the pain he experienced was like being hit with a Taser (must have had some wild weekends in Brighton to know what a Taser feels like), said disc had played up, but he is fine for the weekend

Its like when people say it felt like they'd been shot. unless they have been shot how would they know.

RE Frawley I thought Roos said he wont train thursday but he will play. I guess they will give him to saturday.

Personal opinion on Frawley, after I was told new mantra was no train no play, which applied to both Kent and Spencer, would make an exception with Frawley, non a good thing for team harmony

[old dee 22,848]

Thanks Saty

Good to see some comment on training on a Training thread

[jnrmac 18,953]

I heard that too. He was dismissed pretty quickly, and I can see why they wouldn't want to start "victim-shaming" Lynch for not wearing a mouthguard.

I thought I saw one in his mouth, but I can't recall seeing it taken out.

The bloke calling in said he was a dental professional and that with a mouthguard in place there'd be no blood, and no broken jaw.

I know they provide some protection, but surely there's a limit.

No but it goes to the duty of care argument. How can Viney be responsible for ALL of the damage if he wasn't wearing one. Players must try to mitigate potential damage.

To use an extreme (and unlikely) example imagine an NFL footballer not wearing padding and becoming injured. Surely any damage would not be the fault of the tackler.

[rpfc 27,448]

Personal opinion on Frawley, after I was told new mantra was no train no play, which applied to both Kent and Spencer, would make an exception with Frawley, non a good thing for team harmony

Different rules for different players - that's life and footy.

[Deetective Sgt. Taggert 380]

Are you the Ascobar from Addis Ababa?

... or the Ascobar from Axum???

Actually I'm the Marquis of Carabas, Ascobar is the Amharic equivalent...

Edited May 8, 2014 by Ascobar

[Deetective Sgt. Taggert 380]

@ Ascobar, Ethiopia? What are you doing over there?

Been working over here. Interesting place but terrible slow Internet means demonland becomes the only way to keep up to date. Edited May 8, 2014 by Ascobar

[Chook 14,471]

Patience grasshopper. The training is complete when you acquire patience.

If you want to learn a balanced attack, you must first balance a tack hammer on your head.

[hulkhogan666 142]

Salem looks a gem, his kicking skills is phenomenal. Every single shot on goal, he kicked, on the run around the body, set shot all around the 50, amazing.

Also Toump looks quick I thought.