Jimmy Toumpas

[Ted Lasso 16,905]

I find it kind of funny that we have struggled to score, so in response we drop a bloke who has kicked 20% of our scores

[Bang Bang Bang 5,517]

I doubt there is one person on Demonland that wants him to fail.

You're too kind to some of the posters on here. I have no doubt some would prefer to see Toumpas fail, sacrificing the good of the club just so they can be right and say "I told you so."

Very, very stiff to be dropped this week. Can only assume Roos is tempering his expectations of a kid in just his second year.

[beelzebub 22,244]

Trengove should have been dropped before Jimmy.

I actually agree with this...its almost a by degrees thing but concur. Toumpas is more useful I think currently than Trengove

Doesnt say much for either as such...

[rjay 23,945]

I actually agree with this...its almost a by degrees thing but concur. Toumpas is more useful I think currently than Trengove

Doesnt say much for either as such...

I think Trengove can still do the harder things and stick tackles, but he is on borrowed time. He is not getting involved enough and is dropping marks or being out positioned in marking contests, one of his previous strengths.

[rjay 23,945]

I find it kind of funny that we have struggled to score, so in response we drop a bloke who has kicked 20% of our scores

That's where stats are useless. Maybe if he had played better and used the ball better up the field our scoring opportunities would have increased by 20% and maybe that is more important.

[Jarka 767]

Roos has a good track record with developing kids, if he's dropped guys like Toumpas or Michie you can bet he's doing it for a specific reason. Long term development is more important than short term success so he'll have these guys working on certain areas of their game at Casey.

[daisycutter 28,630]

I actually agree with this...its almost a by degrees thing but concur. Toumpas is more useful I think currently than Trengove

Doesnt say much for either as such...

well jt is on the expanded bench. could still be dropped or made sub

[Ted Lasso 16,905]

That's where stats are useless. Maybe if he had played better and used the ball better up the field our scoring opportunities would have increased by 20% and maybe that is more important.

I would think Roosy would be smart enough to see he is playing his role, perhaps just feels he needs to dominate a couple of games at casey and get some confidence up.

[beelzebub 22,244]

well jt is on the expanded bench. could still be dropped or made sub

hard to just say "ought to be" as no one , or sadly the very few, are setting anything on fire currently

maybe the sub is a positive move though

[rjay 23,945]

I would think Roosy would be smart enough to see he is playing his role, perhaps just feels he needs to dominate a couple of games at casey and get some confidence up.

Maybe he's smart enough to realise he isn't actually playing his role otherwise he would still be playing. Roos loves role players, Jimmy is not playing his role and is not near ready enough for AFL footy. It won't matter if he dominates at Casey, it will matter that he goes back and works on his deficiencies and that's ok.

[beelzebub 22,244]

Maybe he's smart enough to realise he isn't actually playing his role otherwise he would still be playing. Roos loves role players, Jimmy is not playing his role and is not near ready enough for AFL footy. It won't matter if he dominates at Casey, it will matter that he goes back and works on his deficiencies and that's ok.

agree

Roos can see things arent going as he would want. He'll constant shuffle and rejig until things start clicking..

He'll be very busy on his "dossiers"

[Machsy 2,858]

PSD pushing through pain is accellerating. Otherwise you would stop exhausted.

My god.

You don't even understand basic physics, yet you want to argue!

FMD...

[monoccular 16,247]

Feel like people want him to fail. Sad.

...and I get the impression somehow that a few may consider Ollie Wines to be playing better in a better team than our Jimmy....not sure though.

And yes, there are some here who would whinge about a 100 point GF win because some "spud", "dud" or <insert some other offensive term> missed a goal in the second quarter which <insert name of a player in any other team> would not have.

Personally I believe that Wines is doing better at least in part because he is in a good team with a cohesive experienced midfield, coached in his first season by someone who had a clue, and has had two injury free preseasons and that had the draft selections gone the other way there would still be some here complaining that (a) was playing winning footy in a successful team and that (b) wasn't.

[DemonOX 8,541]

Must admit when I heard Viney and wines were best mates I thought geez it would be nice to have two mongrels in and under.

But not to be unfortunately.

Wines is probably happy in hind sight.

[SaberFang 7,141]

Come on guys. In the words of Paul Roos "I'm sick of talking about the past." What good does it do lamenting all day long that we missed so and so in that draft or this draft. You can't assume those players we missed would've become the same players in our guernsey. For all we know some of the high draft picks we picked that went nowhere may have flourished at other teams. Equally, players we passed on may have ended up duds with us.

The thinking here that we simply picked wrong and missed out on ready made superstars like Wines, Darling, Naitanui, Grundy, etc. is exactly the line of thinking that got us into this mess. Good drafting helps, but it's not everything.

Reality is, we didn't choose them, and those we chose could not flourish in our team. Accept it, let's move on.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,525]

Roos has a good track record with developing kids, if he's dropped guys like Toumpas or Michie you can bet he's doing it for a specific reason. Long term development is more important than short term success so he'll have these guys working on certain areas of their game at Casey.

Maybe he figures they'l learn how to play properly in a competitive Casey side instead of a Melbourne side that gets flogged.

[titan_uranus 22,561]

The thinking here that we simply picked wrong and missed out on ready made superstars like Wines, Darling, Naitanui, Grundy, etc. is exactly the line of thinking that got us into this mess.

One of the most spot on things ever posted on here.

[John Crow Batty 8,271]

Must admit when I heard Viney and wines were best mates I thought geez it would be nice to have two mongrels in and under.

But not to be unfortunately.

Wines is probably happy in hind sight.

And no doubt , they are still mates.

[Demonsone 1,617]

No issue here... I'm sure the coaches will be wanting Jimmy to go back & show the things they want him to do... It's the things you do of the ball, 1 percenters etc

Edited April 3, 2014 by Hogan2014

[What 18,810]

I remember pre draft Emma Quayle saying that if Melbourne take Wines, he and Viney will be causing explosions at the centre square for the next 12 years

What a massive stuff up this was by the recruiting staff

[Arrow 1,257]

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I remember pre draft Emma Quayle saying that if Melbourne take Wines, he and Viney will be causing explosions at the centre square for the next 12 years

What a massive stuff up this was by the recruiting staff

[Pirlo 519]

Shocking decision.

[rjay 23,945]

Quote name="hogans heroes" post="902452" timestamp="1396528462"]

I remember pre draft Emma Quayle saying that if Melbourne take Wines, he and Viney will be causing explosions at the centre square for the next 12 years

What a massive stuff up this was by the recruiting staff

A broken clock is still right twice a day. You're disregarding all the experts who thought we got an absolute steal when Toumpas fell to 4.

Wingard and Jackson Macrae had poor first years but were persisted with and Wingard is an AA, and Macrae playing incredible football. He's 19 and has flaws, but whether the midfield explosion from Wines and Viney would be better than Viney releasing a streaming Toumpas hitting up i50s to Hogan is an answer noone knows...

Not even Emma, HH.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

Quote name="hogans heroes" post="902452" timestamp="1396528462"]

I remember pre draft Emma Quayle saying that if Melbourne take Wines, he and Viney will be causing explosions at the centre square for the next 12 years

What a massive stuff up this was by the recruiting staff

A broken clock is still right twice a day. You're disregarding all the experts who thought we got an absolute steal when Toumpas fell to 4.

Wingard and Jackson Macrae had poor first years but were persisted with and Wingard is an AA, and Macrae playing incredible football. He's 19 and has flaws, but whether the midfield explosion from Wines and Viney would be better than Viney releasing a streaming Toumpas hitting up i50s to Hogan is an answer noone knows...

Not even Emma, HH.

[What 18,810]

Quote name="hogans heroes" post="902452" timestamp="1396528462"]

I remember pre draft Emma Quayle saying that if Melbourne take Wines, he and Viney will be causing explosions at the centre square for the next 12 years

What a massive stuff up this was by the recruiting staff

A broken clock is still right twice a day. You're disregarding all the experts who thought we got an absolute steal when Toumpas fell to 4.

Wingard and Jackson Macrae had poor first years but were persisted with and Wingard is an AA, and Macrae playing incredible football. He's 19 and has flaws, but whether the midfield explosion from Wines and Viney would be better than Viney releasing a streaming Toumpas hitting up i50s to Hogan is an answer noone knows...

Not even Emma, HH.