A LITTLE WIN

[michael collins 49]

Today was better. The damage was done in the third quarter, but there was some stemming of the tide in the last. It was a step forward. Not as big as I'd like, but it shows what is possible.

For those who recommend changing the coach, think what would happen. The panel of board members who selected the last two coaches would make another similar left field selection. The new coach would tell us we have to clean out the list - it'll take a few years to rebuild - deja vu all over again.

I think its better to stick with Mark Neeld - accept that the coach needs to learn coaching as much as the players need to learn playing. Give him all the help he needs, and let him see out his contract at least. Then see if we need to start from scratch with another rookie coach.

[tonatopia 278]

I think you got his slightly backwards, Moloney came in and [censored] on the bar.As many people have said, why the hell would Roos want to give up a [censored] load of money, move his family from Sydney to Melbourne and take on this team?

Moloney, bog, [censored] on a bar, the next week, bog again.

Im not looking for choir boys.

Nb. Moloney nearly won the brownlow in 2011, and won the Bluey.

Neeld has fcuked us, big time.

[bing181 8,167]

Ihistory has shown that a change from a poor coach to a good coach can make a big difference. Eade/Roos, Schimmelbusch/Pagan, Walls/Matthews etc.etc.

Ratten/Malthouse

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[Gorgoroth 12,325]

Moloney, bog, [censored] on a bar, the next week, bog again.

Im not looking for choir boys.

Nb. Moloney nearly won the brownlow in 2011, and won the Bluey.

Neeld has fcuked us, big time.

So tell me why Roos would want to coach us?

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Ratten/Malthouse

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Give it a bit of time. Carlton are a special case aren't they, they seem to have the players but they also seem to lack something. Perhaps it's the tanking culture/curse?

[DemonOX 8,530]

So tell me why Roos would want to coach us?

Cause if he comes in and turns us around he will be looked at an even bigger star/legend than he already is. His rep will go through the roof.

What happens if he dosent succeed I hear u ask? It WONT happen he is not the type of person not to.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

So tell me why Roos would want to coach us?

Because the AFL may offer him a [censored] load of money and it would be his greatest challenge. Imagine what it would be like for him if he won a flag for us, he would go down as one of the al time greats.

[Grapeviney 8,835]

Nb. Moloney nearly won the brownlow in 2011

NB: No he didn't. Apart from being ineligible, he was 16 votes short.. needed almost twice as many votes as he got.

[tonatopia 278]

So tell me why Roos would want to coach us?

The same reason why Ross Clarke jones surfs gigantic waves, the challenge.

We need the best, so let's get the best.

No more gambling.

[McQueen 17,863]

For this we sacked Cameron Schwab ... congratulations!

Without a doubt, it saved us from an embarrassing triple figure loss.

Who's the next scapegoat?

Expecting results after just a few days?

[tonatopia 278]

NB: No he didn't. Apart from being ineligible, he was 16 votes short.. needed almost twice as many votes as he got.

I stand corrected.

2011 brownlow;

Moloney, equal 7th, 19 votes.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,415]

Give it a bit of time. Carlton are a special case aren't they, they seem to have the players but they also seem to lack something. Perhaps it's the tanking culture/curse?

KPP's

[Macca 16,173]

One things for sure - we can't blame Cameron Schwab for today's shellacking.

Unless the players are mentally scarred from his 'Whiteboard Wednesdays' or his 'meddling' in 2011.

Of course, Cameron 'Polarised the supporter group' but I'm still looking for a logical explanation on how this can make the team perform poorly.

Maybe it was the sight of CS at Friday mornings training - that must be it

[demon-4-life 467]

Small steps I say.

Round 1: 15 minutes of competitive football.

Round 2: 20 minutes of competitive football.

Round 3: 60 minutes of competitive football.

Round 4: lets aim for 3/4 of competitive football.

[Deecisive 1,652]

The sad thing in all this is that if we had another 2-3 mids along with Jones and Viney, we would be good.

Our forward line is good and our back line is good too despite what is going on. You cant expect the backline to be performing when the bloody pill is in there half for 80% of the game.

First half I was actually enjoying watching the boys for the first time in a long time. Second half it was back to normal unfortunately.

sorry Ox what are you smoking - only need a couple more mids, good backline, good forward line. If that was the case then we would not be loosing by the vast quantities that we are.

[DEELIRIOUS 156]

I liked Evans in the 1st half. Definetely runs hard

[Undeeterred 2,864]

Have our backline all had lobotomies? The decision making is appalling! Frawley looks like he has lost all confidence and we desperately miss Rivers saving us with timely spoils and directions. i like the look of Terlich. He's a goer, but the lack of system and communication made fools of all of them.

Frawley will walk the second he is free to...

[Undeeterred 2,864]

Tell me what the average losing margin was for those guys in their 2nd year....

Neeld's is 107 points so far.

Irrelevant. The point is they each had rabid fans and journalists after them and basically learned, developed a list and made their teams a hell of a lot better.

[Undeeterred 2,864]

Hawks improved from 14th to 11th in Clarksons' second year.

Richmond went from 15th to 12th in Hardwick's second year.

Carlton went from 11th to 7th in Ratten's second year.

What was your point again?

There's no need to be so aggressive about everything, Stuie.

Good to see you've done some digging, and my point stands. They took very crap teams, and made them slightly less crap. Now, obviously the Blues made the 8 that year, so I take your point partly, but essentially it takes time. Sacking people every few minutes doesn't achieve anything except keep the merry go round going.

The other point you've clearly supported for me is that none of them were sacked after 3 games.

[michael collins 49]

If Frawley wants to go let him - better to have a less talented player who wants to play for Melbourne. But I think there must be more to it. Supposing he does want to go elsewhere, you'd think he'd be trying to create an impression, increase his value to interested clubs. The way he's playing, his value is dropping rapidly.

Makes me think there's more to it - injury perhaps, confidence, struggling with the game plan, depressed by the club's poor form - he's not alone with those issues. I hope he can turn it around, whether or not he's planning on leaving.

[Longsufferingnomore 1,466]

I am also critical of the 5 or 6 free kicks WC received inside their forward 50. I can't remember any for us (although my son remembers 1) even when there was a passage of play in the third where there were two blatant free kicks denied. I'll watch it again... but I also noted that WC got an 'ify' free out of the centre to start both the First and Third quarter.

One was against Mitch who was furious. Thought he was going to kill someone the way he through himself in and after siren ran off with umpire giving him a spray. The other may have involved Nate Jones because he also ran beside the umpire saying something.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

One other thing, I know it's been done to death, but I nearly cried every time Darling kicked a goal, how stupid are we?

how stupid are you.. do you think Darling would be performing for Melbourne if we had drafted him?

He'd be just another Sylvia Watts Morton

[Binmans PA 26,127]

Funny that we got smoked by port and with today's effort and intensity we'd have destroyed them by half time...

Mental fragility as much as lacking a few genuine A graders is our biggest issue right now.

Personally, I don't think it's as simple as throwing in a Judd or Ablett, although they'd certainly help. It's about structures. We have absolutely none.

[stuie 7,374]

Irrelevant. The point is they each had rabid fans and journalists after them and basically learned, developed a list and made their teams a hell of a lot better.

There's no need to be so aggressive about everything, Stuie.

Good to see you've done some digging, and my point stands. They took very crap teams, and made them slightly less crap. Now, obviously the Blues made the 8 that year, so I take your point partly, but essentially it takes time. Sacking people every few minutes doesn't achieve anything except keep the merry go round going.

The other point you've clearly supported for me is that none of them were sacked after 3 games.

The point is all of those teams got better not worse.

[olisik 4,060]

Think our talls let us down today mostly to be honest.

Frawley, Jamar, Seller, Garland....

Our KPPs got killed by the likes of Kennedy , Darling and Cox.

We need this fixed asap, I think our mids like Grimes, Joneses, Viney ect tried hard and it would've been a real tight match if our talls put in more damn effort.