"Tanking"

[Hannibal 5,814]

This investigation has become so bloody boring.

In fact, it's always been boring.

Don't say that. You'll have some bright spark counting the number of posts you've made about the subject and claim it as some sort of win against you.

[Vagg 2,422]

I don't want to have to re-read everything in order to find out, but is there an actual date by which the MFC must respond to the allegations... and if so, what is it (there are only 6 business days left in January)?

And beyond that, is there a time-frame within which the AFL must make their decision as to whether to go ahead and press charges or to drop the whole thing?

Melbourne's response should be a short, single line:

"Dear Vlad. Pursue this matter any further, and we will see you in Court. Have a nice day."

[daisycutter 28,531]

Dear Vlad,

Thank you for the 800 page script you submitted as a fiction crime thriller.

Unfortunately after reviewing it we have to reject it as unconvincing and poorly written.

We have attached a critical analysis from our advisors which you might find useful for future endeavours

We did think however with a little professional cleaning up here and there that your script would be suitable for a comedy novel or possibly a court room drama.

Thanking you for your submission, and we wish you the best. Fiction writing is a very difficult and competitve field but we hope you keep trying

MFC

[dee-luded 2,958]

Lol, how did they fill 800 pages with that startling evidence.

There must be a lot of pictures. McClean's statements were all in crayon.

& a lot of scribble, big pictures in crayon

[dee-luded 2,958]

Pretty sure Deegirl alluded to the fact that the strongest evidence had come from 2 former employees and so far she has been pretty much on the money. If this was regarded as not enough to go on and therefore they started looking at matchday moves THEY HAVE GOT NOTHING!

they've got plenty I'm sure, they want nothing I'm even more certain.

Individuals IMO, will take longer to clear.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Melbourne's response should be a short, single line:

"Dear Vlad. Pursue this matter any further, and we will see you in Court. Have a nice day."

I like it.

Vlad would love to come to court over the first couple of his retirement years I'm sure.

Like it.

[loges 6,027]

they've got plenty I'm sure, they want nothing I'm even more certain.

Individuals IMO, will take longer to clear.

Oh I'm sure they've got plenty but I question the quality

[McQueen 17,863]

Are we in the clear?

Schwabby apparently given his marching orders?

[dee-luded 2,958]

Oh I'm sure they've got plenty but I question the quality

thats what I'm saying. imo. they will deliberately mismanage the investigation to make they're case a weak one.

they aren't trying to damage the League, their trying to build it.

but they want the list management thing to stop & disappear. not hurt us.

Individuals, thats a bit different. I can see them thinking its OK with expending some individuals.

[Whispering_Jack 27,978]

Are we in the clear?

Schwabby apparently given his marching orders?

Caroline back yet?

[Moonshadow 16,193]

Are we in the clear?

Schwabby apparently given his marching orders?

Make sure we bl00dy well get his loan money back before he leaves.

[Robot Devil 1,895]

Make sure we bl00dy well get his loan money back before he leaves.

Wouldn't we just sell his desk/whiteboard?

[daisycutter 28,531]

Are we in the clear?

Schwabby apparently given his marching orders?

Nah, board just changed their mind after Geddy intervened at last moment

Neeld to go instead

you guys don't learn anything from history.

[bing181 8,166]

Are we in the clear?

Schwabby apparently given his marching orders?

Well, that's come from one post from someone who claims to have heard it from [edit: a player's] father.

Think I'd need something a bit more solid myself.

Edited January 25, 2013 by Whispering_Jack
Name edited pending verification of the person involved

[SidVicious 121]

Well, that's come from one post from someone who claims to have heard it from [edit: a player's] father.

The same [edit: a player's] father who was last seen exchanging jokes with Chris Connolly?

Edited January 25, 2013 by Whispering_Jack
see above

[Chelly 742]

It's Jay Clark's turn today - Melbourne Demons indebted to long-suffering supporters.

Ostensibly a story about how "vice-captain Nathan Jones says the team owes it to the club's long-suffering supporter base to improve this year", Clark pushes his way past the influx to the club of recruits and better training standards to inform readers of this incredible scoop:

Melbourne remains the subject of an AFL investigation into allegations that it tanked in 2009, and key officials could face life bans.

The Demons must respond to the league findings by Tuesday.

Earth shattering news indeed and thanks for informing us about this as otherwise we would never have known.

[mjt 640]

Water off a ducks back.

[Guest José Mourinho]

So Tuesday is D day - 29/01/13.

[DirtyDees DDC 171]

If the club has to respond to the alleged charges by Tuesday 29th, when is the next meeting of the Commission?

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

Slightly different angle, but it's arguably bordering on bringing the code into disrepute for a club not to adopt the AFL's methodology in relation to recruitment and the like at any given time.

Clearly, the AFL sets the playing field for the clubs which participate in the competition. The clubs are obliged to respect this.

And, in this regard, the draft pick methodology was designed by the AFL and it has always rewarded clubs that did not do particularly well the season beforehand. It is designed to make the competition an even competition.

I would've thought for a club to unilaterally seek to buck the system and make public statements that it was not buying into the system for whatever reason would embarrass the administrators and would affect the standing of the code. It would also be irresponsible, indeed negligent, to that club's members.

In short, what the hell did the AFL expect the clubs to do?

[Spirit of '87 321]

Various journalists, including in today's Age, keep stating that Melbourne and some of its officials "face charges" in relation to tanking.

Definition of "face charges/counts":

"to be accused officially of committing a crime; have legal charges brought against you as a crime"

It seems premature to be saying in these press articles that the are "facing charges" when at this stage they are only being required to respond to the matters raised in the AFL's investigation.

[Sir Why You Little 34,470]

Various journalists, including in today's Age, keep stating that Melbourne and some of its officials "face charges" in relation to tanking.

Definition of "face charges/counts":

"to be accused officially of committing a crime; have legal charges brought against you as a crime"

It seems premature to be saying in these press articles that the are "facing charges" when at this stage they are only being required to respond to the matters raised in the AFL's investigation.

the article needs to be sold. Whether it is factual or not is not the primary concern.

[Striker475 696]

I'm so glad I've been away from it for nine weeks. I've just started catching up on footy properly in the last week or so, and to be honest, the case isn't any stronger - in fact, in my opinion it's quite possibly weaker due to the departure of AA. The key investigation into those last three minutes of the Richmond game are very interesting, because, well...what if McMahon missed? That's the variable that the AFL absolutely has to take into account in all of this.

There's no smoking gun here. It's a tough sell to convince me there's tanking here.

[dee-luded 2,958]

It's Jay Clark's turn today - Melbourne Demons indebted to long-suffering supporters.

Ostensibly a story about how "vice-captain Nathan Jones says the team owes it to the club's long-suffering supporter base to improve this year", Clark pushes his way past the influx to the club of recruits and better training standards to inform readers of this incredible scoop:

Earth shattering news indeed and thanks for informing us about this as otherwise we would never have known.

it almost feels like the AFL & the footy Media, are angry at us, the MFC social media & some at the club, for daring to speak openly about the methods they allow clubs to operate within, under the cover of secrecy, supposedly.

Carltank got off, as did more than half the competition.

Now they want to try to claim it doesn't exist,,,, 'List Management',,, 'List Management',,, 'List Management',,, 'List Management',,, hows that kero, one more? 'List Management',,, hows terry's plan going Kero?

Are they trying to control us from saying what we think & feel about issues they want to impose on our game?

....... how dare we have an input on what takes place with our game, & how its run... we pay our money at the turnstiles, & the merchandise room, & the food stalls, & to the footy record boys, & the VFL games,,,

really, they made a ballsup of it, except for the access to the game via TV, although that has its pitfalls with too much of it hurting the grass roots like VFL.

[beelzebub 22,225]

Last time i looked noones been charged with anything . Media seems blinkered to that. How surprising (not)