Primus - A warning sign to Neeld

[bandicoot 1,395]

No matter how good your intentions are results will at the end of the day determine your coaching future.

It took Primus just under 2 years to fall on his sword.

I can't see neeld getting too much more than that for a similar scenario to happen.

Let's hope for all concerned that the result for 2013 improves.

[thaipantsman 180]

Primus is Port Adelaide while Neeld an outsider. No more comment. Lets see out this season. 5 Wins will be a tick (not a tock) for Neeld given all the circumstances and controversies of the year.

That said encouraging win v GCoast. Don't forget GC had a good win V Tigers recently. There were signs with Dees carrying the ball a little more and and looking for the spare man rather than continually bombing it long.

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

Not this topic again....

[bing181 9,240]

Not this topic again....

Unfortunately yes. So much self-importance.

And irrelevance.

[Guest]

Groan....

[thaipantsman 180]

Not this topic again....

not!!

definitely not. there is some relevance to how a coach under contract can be discarded so easily. considering the result V Melbourne two weeks ago IMO Primus has been unfairly treated.

it's more a broad topic and can be taken in the context that anyone coaching a struggling team is not safe. for me as I keep saying over and over Neeld is safe no question.

Edited August 6, 2012 by thaipantsman

[Range Rover 1,935]

No matter how good your intentions are results will at the end of the day determine your coaching future.

It took primus just under 2 years to fall on his sword.

I can't see neeld getting too much more than that for a similar scenario to happen.

Let's hope for all concerned that the result for 2013 improves.

Are you saying that if a coach has his side sitting in the lower echelons for a few years that he's going to come under pressure?

What a ground-breakingly, staggeringly brilliant piece of insight.

Cheers Bandicoot.

[H_T 3,047]

Are you saying that if a coach has his side sitting in the lower echelons for a few years that he's going to come under pressure?

What a ground-breakingly, staggeringly brilliant piece of insight.

Cheers Bandicoot.

Amazing that no one else has shared that piece of insight before. I'm literally staggered.

[LuvMyDees 18]

No matter how good your intentions are results will at the end of the day determine your coaching future.

It took primus just under 2 years to fall on his sword.

I can't see neeld getting too much more than that for a similar scenario to happen.

Let's hope for all concerned that the result for 2013 improves.

Get a life

[Gippsland Dee 367]

well atleast melbourne hasn't lost to GWS or GC

[The Reverend 1,736]

The persistance of some on this forum has changed my mind on Neeld. RR's poll nearly had me convinced I was right in supporting him but given we only won by 42 points yesterday, I think we should sack him and just let Bandicoot, Hardnut and Tonatopia, et al share the coaching job. We'll be better off then, won't we?

Give me a break!

[Dee Fan 3,247]

I think Primus had a problem because of inconsistency, Port have won some games and shown some form but they have also lost some games they probably thought they should have won. They beat the Saints, North, Gold Coast, Carlton and Melbourne and I guess after showing that they can win some games against ok opposition early on, to lose to GWS would be unacceptable.

I think they are a better team than they have shown, I reckon the club thinks that too and as they are in a perilous position they need to get some wins on the board or they could fold.

[rpfc 28,440]

According to Rucci (who isn't always right or righteous), PA just completed a review that basically said the FD was obsolete and should be revamped and that Primus is not at fault.

But after big losses, something has to give...

[old dee 23,792]

According to Rucci (who isn't always right or righteous), PA just completed a review that basically said the FD was obsolete and should be revamped and that Primus is not at fault.

But after big losses, something has to give...

Yes remember 186

[The heart beats true 18,128]

Let's hope for all concerned that the result for 2013 improves.

See this comment I have a problem with. I don't genuinely believe that you want Neeld to succeed. I think you'd rather be 'right' about him. Why else draw this rather obvious conclusion for everyone?

Can we just give it a rest for a few days? It's boring.

[Guest José Mourinho]

Another stirling thread from banditroll...

[Dee Fan 3,247]

See this comment I have a problem with. I don't genuinely believe that you want Neeld to succeed. I think you'd rather be 'right' about him. Why else draw this rather obvious conclusion for everyone?

Can we just give it a rest for a few days? It's boring.

I reckon Neeld will revolutionise Melbourne and be the turning point in our history, he may not be the coach who takes us all the way (or he might) but he will change the way we approach football and for the better.

[Range Rover 1,935]

I reckon Neeld will revolutionise Melbourne and be the turning point in our history, he may not be the coach who takes us all the way (or he might) but he will change the way we approach football and for the better.

I agree. I have a feeling people will look back on his baptism of fire in 2012 and conclude that it was the making of him as a coach. It takes a certain type of character, a strength and a resilience, to find yourself in such an environment and not be knocked off your course.

I hold high hopes for the future with this guy.

Edited August 6, 2012 by Range Rover

[Dee man 303]

In the last six years, we've tried five coaches. And we've won about five games.

Putting pressure on coaches and sacking them hasn't really done us much good recently; perhaps we'd be better trying a revolutionary tactic such as giving them a go.

[machine11 142]

You only need to look at Neelds influence on Jones to realise he'll be a good coach. Everything takes time, and Neeld should have plenty of time to get us up.

[monoccular 17,431]

I agree. I have a feeling people will look back on his baptism of fire in 2012 and conclude that it was the making of him as a coach. It takes a certain type of character, a strength and a resilience, to find yourself in such an environment and not be knocked off your course.

I hold high hopes for the future with this guy.

I think a certain Norman Smith had a pretty disastrous first year or so - maybe even the spoon, with a very young and inexperienced side. Then 7 consecutive GFs. I am sure most here (soothsayers excepted) would love even half that!

EDIT: Just checked my facts (though don't know which year TGNS started) - 1953 second last 3.5 wins: 1954 runners up having finished home and away fourth, and the dynasty began.

Edited August 6, 2012 by monoccular

[bandicoot 1,395]

See this comment I have a problem with. I don't genuinely believe that you want Neeld to succeed. I think you'd rather be 'right' about him. Why else draw this rather obvious conclusion for everyone?

Can we just give it a rest for a few days? It's boring.

I more than anyone want success in 2013 and would be delighted if Neeld can bring this to the MFC.

Do you think that I enjoy watching our club become a laughing stock of the competition and face the real possibility of needing another bailout?

I am giving the benefit of the doubt to Neeld in his first year however there are definate 'tangible' KPI's that he must pass in 2013 in order not to face a Primus style exit.

5 wins is a minimum and at least 5 games where the losing margin is under 20 points.

No more than 1 loss over 100 points.

If these 'basic' KPI's are not met then I highly doubt a continuation of his contract will be given.

Will Neeld achieve this? Toss of a coin

[Range Rover 1,935]

I more than anyone want success in 2013 and would be delighted if Neeld can bring this to the MFC.

Do you think that I enjoy watching our club become a laughing stock of the competition and face the real possibility of needing another bailout?

I am giving the benefit of the doubt to Neeld in his first year however there are definate 'tangible' KPI's that he must pass in 2013 in order not to face a Primus style exit.

5 wins is a minimum and at least 5 games where the losing margin is under 20 points.

No more than 1 loss over 100 points.

If these 'basic' KPI's are not met then I highly doubt a continuation of his contract will be given.

Will Neeld achieve this? Toss of a coin

That's all fine but why not start a thread titled ... "Norm Smith - Can Neeld emulate him?"

Has a more positive ring to it.

[Moonshadow 17,676]

well atleast melbourne hasn't lost to GWS or GC

Yet...

[rpfc 28,440]

I more than anyone want success in 2013 and would be delighted if Neeld can bring this to the MFC.

Do you think that I enjoy watching our club become a laughing stock of the competition and face the real possibility of needing another bailout?

I am giving the benefit of the doubt to Neeld in his first year however there are definate 'tangible' KPI's that he must pass in 2013 in order not to face a Primus style exit.

5 wins is a minimum and at least 5 games where the losing margin is under 20 points.

No more than 1 loss over 100 points.

If these 'basic' KPI's are not met then I highly doubt a continuation of his contract will be given.

Will Neeld achieve this? Toss of a coin

What kind of KPIs are those?

What is we have an injury curse as bad as the one that has taken our forward line to the medical clinic in Prahran that everyone goes to?

Neeld will be given time and I think that improvement should be expected but let's not be stupid enough to set hard and fast rules that tie us into ending (or even continuing) tenures.

They will have internal KPIs that will be important and you have to trust the board to make the right decision - if you don't trust the board well grab a few mates and go for election to the board - they are there for a reason.