POLL: Who Needs To Go? ... The Fans Decide

[Yossarian 1,820]

Where's that ignore button?

[Axis of Bob 11,146]

I wouldn't put your house on it.

Would you be interested in a friendly wager?

If Neeld is not fired before the beginning of next season, what would you do? Refuse to post again? (please)

[tonatopia 278]

I think he will coach in 2013. I just don't think he is the right man.

[Axis of Bob 11,146]

So your last post wasn't supposed to be read in the way indicated by the arrangement of the words themselves?

Fair enough. Good to see someone who blows hot air and isn't prepared to stand by his convictions. Shows real leadership.

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

Rr, the elitist who has blind faith in his king while blaming the workers for the ills of the kindom. You are the personification of poor character.

I love reading your posts Tonatopia. You are probaly the least clued up individual on this site. all your posts reflect a very poor understanding of how footy clubs run and whats required to achieve sporting success. Still, its always an entertaining read.

[tonatopia 278]

If we had real leadership he would be sacked. Unfortunately, he will be given another year and our membership will dive by 5000, while Carlton snag malthouse or Roos and execute the final decisive move on a complete rebuild, add some more hype to the club and boost membership by 10,000.

But we will stick with our current leadership.

We will languish in 2013 and then the shot will really hit the fan. New president new board new coach.

I just want to bring the change earlier and be done with it. I don't need this crap in 2013.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

If we had real leadership he would be sacked. Unfortunately, he will be given another year and our membership will dive by 5000, while Carlton snag malthouse or Roos and execute the final decisive move on a complete rebuild, add some more hype to the club and boost membership by 10,000.

But we will stick with our current leadership.

We will languish in 2013 and then the shot will really hit the fan. New president new board new coach.

I just want to bring the change earlier and be done with it. I don't need this crap in 2013.

Lordy lord.

[John Crow Batty 8,763]

Anyone notice the amazing improvement by North after their CEO resigned a couple of months ago.

Edited July 29, 2012 by america de cali

[Face Your Demons 175]

I trust the coach to make the right decisions at years end. Not going to write off anyone because they have had a bad year "Moloney". More than a few have had their chance but it's amazing how One or two new players can bring others into the game.

[Footynut 302]

If we had real leadership he would be sacked. Unfortunately, he will be given another year and our membership will dive by 5000, while Carlton snag malthouse or Roos and execute the final decisive move on a complete rebuild, add some more hype to the club and boost membership by 10,000.

But we will stick with our current leadership.

We will languish in 2013 and then the shot will really hit the fan. New president new board new coach.

I just want to bring the change earlier and be done with it. I don't need this crap in 2013.

Good ole Tona always good for a laugh.

Take it as fact tona, the club only have interest in backing Neeld.

They are not looking to change over the coach before his term is out and the coach feels he has full support for what he doing.

You are going to continue to be disappointed and I look forward to your continued waste of space posts for a good laugh.

We have had this discussion about real leadership before, unfortunately you can't and won't ever grasp it.

Cue in your next ridiculous statement or abuse as you are incapable of having a logical conversation.

[Footynut 302]

Anyone notice the amazing improvement by North after their CEO resigned a couple of months ago.

Yea ADC let's sack CS and we might make the 8.

Give up your agenda.

[picket fence 16,637]

Thanks Rog. Duly edited!

You're only allowed 20 options max. so I took out Blease to fit Spencer in there.

WHY IS THE LIST INCOMPLETE SEEMS A FEW MORE CAN BE ADDED!

[rpfc 28,045]

WHY IS THE LIST INCOMPLETE SEEMS A FEW MORE CAN BE ADDED!

Poll is maxed at 20 options.

[John Crow Batty 8,763]

Yea ADC let's sack CS and we might make the 8.

Give up your agenda.

To bad he wasn't sacked when he was supposed to. The curse of 186.

[rpfc 28,045]

For those that are a tad peeved at threads like this I can understand that talking about players like this can be seen as unfair and downright vicious and sometimes posters are both of those things, but it is a fact of life that careers come to an end and players leave.

Green may retire, Davey may not recover from his latest setback, Dunn and Bate may explore their FA, Bennell, Jetta, Petterd, Spencer, and MacDonald may be moved on, Bail, Cook, and Strauss may not be brought back if the club gets what it wants in FA and Delisted FA, and Gysberts and Morton may be shipped to other homes.

This is life in any club in any sport, and it is tough, but it would be a privelege to go out in the red and the blue so you take the good with the bad...

NSC gave me an idea about a 'ranking' type system to deletions:

Rank your deletions and then put them against a 'prognostication' of the players coming in - when the players coming in may not be better than the players going out - you stop delisting (this would be easier to do in October when FAs are more visible and when clubs have completed their delistings.

Nat Draft: Picks 3, 4, 13, Viney, 50, 70, 85, 100 would be around our picks.

PSD: Pick 3

Poss. FA targets: Cloke, Sewell, Montagna,

Poss. trade targets: Boak, unidentified established mid 21-24

Poss. upgrades: Evans, Nicholson, Magner, Couch

Poss. delisted FA targets: ??? (insert any players on the outer at their clubs)

As you can see, a great deal of this is up in the air:

• Who, if anyone, will we get in FA?
  
• Who will be delisted from other clubs?
  
• Who will be upgraded?
  
• Will we make any trades?
  
• Will there be any gold at Pick 3 in the PSD?
  

So we can speculate about the careers of players but we just won't have a clear indication until October.

But please get Howe, Jones, and Blease signed up...

[robbiefrom13 877]

Gawn:

6. Liam Jurrah - its pretty clear that he may be in jail in 2013, but if not I get strong feelings and indications that few under Neeld are happy with his work ethic.

7. Brent Moloney - I used to love this bloke. Heart and soul and all that, but he's just too slow now days and seems to spend more time barking orders than leading by example

"It's pretty clear that he may be..." Seriously good thinking, that is! And Jurrah's imaginative and athletically freakish ability is written off in a single-minded focus on "work effort"? - heaven help us if that really is how those under Neeld think.

Actually, my only preference is to see how the team dynamic would change if Moloney wasn't there. I agree with NSC here. As to the rest of the players, I agree that they have had a pretty steep learning curve under Neeld, apparently without much empathetic consideration from Neeld, and he surely has not been effective in helping them manage the disruption and loss of instinctive confidence that went with adapting to his requirements (and maybe in this, Neeld's manner was as necessary as it was unhelpful). But having the under-performing self-appointed policeman Moloney at them as well can't have been useful to anyone.

It was that soft man Barassi who said in effect that the game is mostly played in the mind...

[jnrmac 19,890]

Anyone notice the amazing improvement by North after their CEO resigned a couple of months ago.

Yeah Eugene Arrocca wasn't getting too many kicks so they binned him. Norf have really kicked on since.

[tonatopia 278]

To bad he wasn't sacked (schwab) when he was supposed to. The curse of 186.

There may be some truth in that. I will not dismiss it.

[Biffen 12,805]

There may be some truth in that. I will not dismiss it.

Yep-and the moon landing was done on the set of 2001 a Space Odyssey.

[daisycutter 29,296]

Progress update

Master Bate increases his lead

Morts moves up into 3rd place

Barty drops out of top 10, place taken by Jetta

Spencil putting in late burst

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Bate 131

Bennell 100

Morton 94

Petterd 87

Dunn 81

J Mac 80

Spencer 65

Davey 64

Moloney 54

Jetta 46

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Bartram 45

Green 42

Fitzy 41

[hardtack 10,400]

If my electricians were slacking off, I'd sack the operations manager (head electrician). Not the apprentice.

So you are in essence saying that if the younger inexperienced players are under-performing, we sack the leadership group? To Natopia indeed! (http://shireroth.org/shirewiki/Natopia)

Edited July 30, 2012 by hardtack

[Macca 16,603]

Yep-and the moon landing was done on the set of 2001 a Space Odyssey.

May well be true ...

[Akum 2,660]

...

NSC gave me an idea about a 'ranking' type system to deletions:

Rank your deletions and then put them against a 'prognostication' of the players coming in - when the players coming in may not be better than the players going out - you stop delisting (this would be easier to do in October when FAs are more visible and when clubs have completed their delistings.

...

IMHO this is a much more sensible approach than the free-for-all that this thread encourages. And it reflects more clearly what is likely to happen.

But it needs to be coupled with the understanding that Neeld's priority for delisting will be "who is never likely to be able to play to the game plan that I want?" Not "who won't win us a premiership?" or "who is the least talented?" or "who do I dislike the most?" which have been the basis of most of the postings so far.

Using the "Neeld game plan" criteria changes who's likely to go (rather than "who I want to go") a fair bit. The most obvious implication is that guys like J MacDonald, Jetta, Magner & Sellar are more likely to stay. It probably means that guys like Cook and Gysberts and even Martin are on shakier ground than we think (and explains the report by other posters that Neeld is "not impressed with" Cook & Gysberts). And it probably means that Bennell & Morton & Petterd and perhaps Moloney are almost certainly gone. And it's harder to assess guys like Bail, Dunn, Tapscott, Blease, Strauss (although he did talk the last two up in a recent interview), Sylvia, and Spencer, because although their performances are ordinary, we don't know how good they've been at following instructions, which will be the criterion on which they'll be judged.

Add to this the fact that Neeld has also said that apart from Clark, he's not impressed with any of our marking-forward options, which might mean that all our tall forward options are on shaky ground too.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Progress update

Master Bate increases his lead

Morts moves up into 3rd place

Barty drops out of top 10, place taken by Jetta

Spencil putting in late burst

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Bate 131

Bennell 100

Morton 94

Petterd 87

Dunn 81

J Mac 80

Spencer 65

Davey 64

Moloney 54

Jetta 46

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Bartram 45

Green 42

Fitzy 41

Well DC, I think that's probably a healthy enough poll sample to get a feel for what 'Landers out there think. We're an astute bunch so I'd be very surprised if at least seven of the 'top' ten names will be at the club next year. The fans have clearly seen enough of Bate, Bennell, Morton (even with a year to run on his contract), Petterd, Dunn, MacDonald and Spencer. I think they'll cut another three minimum in addition to them, plus Green who should retire gracefully. Roll on October.

[jnrmac 19,890]

It probably means that guys like Cook and Gysberts and even Martin are on shakier ground than we think (and explains the report by other posters that Neeld is "not impressed with" Cook & Gysberts).

Explains nothing, So you are now touting this as fact?

Does repeating unsubstantiated speculation make it true?