DAWES CLOSED

[Axis of Bob 11,685]

In the words of the little girl in the Old El Paso ad: "Why can't we have both?"

Well that makes the decision pretty easy. We just need to make a choice between Pavlich and Goodes.

Personally, I think we should get Goodes, but I suppose I'd be happy enough to pick up Pavlich.

I'm worried about their age though.

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

In the words of the little girl in the Old El Paso ad: "Why can't we have both?"

Who says we need to choose between a big forward and an experienced mid? I'd be trying to get one of each because they'll both improve our team more than a draftee.

Do we have enough "cheese" to have both? Can we afford to be that bold?

Incidentally that little girl died of clogged arteries at 14 years of age.

I can't back that up.

[rpfc 28,262]

In the words of the little girl in the Old El Paso ad: "Why can't we have both?"

Who says we need to choose between a big forward and an experienced mid? I'd be trying to get one of each because they'll both improve our team more than a draftee.

Yes, but if you cannot get two trades done with teams who want the same picks - you might have to choose...

[hoopla 418]

Sounds like we are a fair chance to get Dawes if we offer him 2 mill over 4 years- it may be less than what Syd and GWS are offering but with us he doesn't have to move. I like that we have a good hand at this draft table. Thank you snotty nosed young man who will go unnamed!

Latest from AFL website is that Dawes expects to re-sign with Collingwood shortly.

Realistically there mightn't be anyone of quality on the trade table

[old55 23,396]

Priority 1 for me is an elite mid to replace Scully - we're not going to trade for one - teams just don't trade them. Our best option is the draft and early in the draft. That's why the GWS U17 draft is so important. We need to slap out 2 compo picks down on the table there for pick 1 or 2 in that draft O'Meara/Crouch and hang on for the ride. You know for a fact that with Sheedy and Allan in control it'll be dragged out until 1:59 on the last day of trading.

Next highest priority is a ready-to-go tall marking forward, sure Cook and Fitzpatrick may come through but we need one NOW to play any sort of flexible game style where we can go to a long option when necessary. martin just doesn't provide that threat. Dawes would be great and if we can get him for pick 12 plus then fantastic - the compo picks are off the table because they're locked up with the GWS trade. The only way dawes comes to MFC is if we convince him to by offering him twice as much money as he can make at Collingwood, say $2M over 5 years, then they have to trade him and we have a nice pick. Trading is the art of the possible though - I'd love Pendlebury or Goddard but it's not going to happen - maybe Dawes won't happen either. If it's not on then I'd be seriously looking at Kosi - he's 29 and can fill the role at half the cost in contract and trade price.

If we can get Grimes, McKenzie and Bail on the park and with Trengove and Gysberts a year older to go with Moloney and Jones our midfield grunt is not dire - a Scott Thompson or Brad Sewell would be great but not essential - I think the tall forward is more important.

[PeterJames 46]

Will sign with pies in the next few days according collingwood website

[H_T 3,043]

Priority 1 for me is an elite mid to replace Scully - we're not going to trade for one - teams just don't trade them. Our best option is the draft and early in the draft. That's why the GWS U17 draft is so important. We need to slap out 2 compo picks down on the table there for pick 1 or 2 in that draft O'Meara/Crouch and hang on for the ride. You know for a fact that with Sheedy and Allan in control it'll be dragged out until 1:59 on the last day of trading.

Next highest priority is a ready-to-go tall marking forward, sure Cook and Fitzpatrick may come through but we need one NOW to play any sort of flexible game style where we can go to a long option when necessary. martin just doesn't provide that threat. Dawes would be great and if we can get him for pick 12 plus then fantastic - the compo picks are off the table because they're locked up with the GWS trade. The only way dawes comes to MFC is if we convince him to by offering him twice as much money as he can make at Collingwood, say $2M over 5 years, then they have to trade him and we have a nice pick. Trading is the art of the possible though - I'd love Pendlebury or Goddard but it's not going to happen - maybe Dawes won't happen either. If it's not on then I'd be seriously looking at Kosi - he's 29 and can fill the role at half the cost in contract and trade price.

If we can get Grimes, McKenzie and Bail on the park and with Trengove and Gysberts a year older to go with Moloney and Jones our midfield grunt is not dire - a Scott Thompson or Brad Sewell would be great but not essential - I think the tall forward is more important.

Re: Dawes

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/124151/default.aspx

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

I'd be seriously looking at Kosi - he's 29 and can fill the role at half the cost in contract and trade price.

If we can get Grimes, McKenzie and Bail on the park and with Trengove and Gysberts a year older to go with Moloney and Jones our midfield grunt is not dire - a Scott Thompson or Brad Sewell would be great but not essential - I think the tall forward is more important.

Kosi? Were talking Justin Koshitski here, right? That is definitely in need of a good whole hearted LOL if ever there is one.

LOL to the power of 100!

Seriously, I'd rather stick big Jamar down there. Plays as the big FF, does forward line rucking- Martin does the rest. I understand he is an AA ruckman but we can't have our cake and eat it too. And another benefit is it wont cost us any picks. We already have Jamar.

No Koshitski, please!

[beelzebub 23,313]

Dawes slammed shut

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

Dawes slammed shut

"I have made the comment before that I reckon you leave a footy club if you are not happy at the club or you are not getting a game. For me money shouldn’t be a factor in that. And I am happy."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dawes-commits-to-collingwood-20110926-1kt32.html#ixzz1Z2UFf44J

A certain young disloyal, crafty mercenary who has dodgy knees and used to be on our list could learn a thing or two about that.

He knows who he is!

[Axis of Bob 11,685]

Kosi would depend on why you were getting him. There are two reasons we would get a big tall power forward.

1) Because we think that they will be part of our next premiership tilt and we don't currently have those players on our list, or

2) Because we want to play a style of game that requires a tall forward and the players that can play that role are not yet ready to play it.

Getting Kosi (or a state league forward) on the cheap means that we can teach the players to play the style of footy that Neeld wants us to play. They can fill a spot until the likes of Cook, Fitzpatrick, McDonald etc are ready to take over that full time for when we are going for a premiership.

Draft/trade time will be very interesting to see what sort of players we go after.

[nutbean 8,838]

Another way IF we really want Dawes ... Trade M.Warnock to Carlton for one of their picks (not sure what, low 2nd round maybe)

Bate to the filth with the Carlton Pick. Job done.

We still have a good chance for a quality Mid with our compo picks

PS Newton can carry Baters kitbag. he'll be looking for a new home

giggle - for what we are giving Collingwood I am surprised you didnt ask for Daisy Thomas and Pendlebury as well !

[dee-luded 2,959]

Next highest priority is a ready-to-go tall marking forward, sure Cook and Fitzpatrick may come through but we need one NOW to play any sort of flexible game style where we can go to a long option when necessary. martin just doesn't provide that threat. Dawes would be great and if we can get him for pick 12 plus then fantastic - the compo picks are off the table because they're locked up with the GWS trade. The only way dawes comes to MFC is if we convince him to by offering him twice as much money as he can make at Collingwood, say $2M over 5 years, then they have to trade him and we have a nice pick. Trading is the art of the possible though - I'd love Pendlebury or Goddard but it's not going to happen - maybe Dawes won't happen either.

If it's not on then I'd be seriously looking at Kosi - he's 29 and can fill the role at half the cost in contract and trade price.

('old55')"""If it's not on then I'd be seriously looking at Kosi - he's 29 and can fill the role at half the cost in contract and trade price."""

Old, I'm with you on this. We need a 'Temp',,,OR go hard after a Quality Tall Forward. I'd rather Spend Up, on a Quality Mid.

I never thought I would think this (Kosi), 'But as a Temp',,, he has shown recently he can 'Present'. I think he'd come cheap re Picks.

Others, Cornes for 1 Yr, as a teacher. Or I'd look at Jess White, then Mitch Clark. He'll cost, but maybe be too much a D/H.

*I'd like to go after a 22 yr old like Gunston, But would he be ready to Impose himself Now.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Kosi would depend on why you were getting him. There are two reasons we would get a big tall power forward.

1) Because we think that they will be part of our next premiership tilt and we don't currently have those players on our list, or

2) Because we want to play a style of game that requires a tall forward and the players that can play that role are not yet ready to play it.

Getting Kosi (or a state league forward) on the cheap means that we can teach the players to play the style of footy that Neeld wants us to play. They can fill a spot until the likes of Cook, Fitzpatrick, McDonald etc are ready to take over that full time for when we are going for a premiership.

Draft/trade time will be very interesting to see what sort of players we go after.

Yep, I agree A o Bob.

But these forums are about what we think we would do as well as trying to guess what they're, the footy dept, are doing.

How would you play it as the 'manager of footy', with our list?

[w00dy 146]

Ross Lyon was about to re-sign with the Saints too, look what happened there...

It's likely he'll sign with the Pies, but you keep chasing him until he does...

[beelzebub 23,313]

In the Saints case they had had ages to front with the paperwork and lagged. It was the club being slooooooooooowwwwwwwww.

Not the case with Collingwood and Dawes. They have the paperwork under his nose.

Slightly different situations here.

[Sideshow Bob 2,343]

He reminds me of Brad Miller. Good size will provide a contest. Different to Brad in that he's comfortable deep in the forward line but reminds me of him nonetheless. Not sure I want or need Brad Miller mark 2 taking up a large slice of salary cap. When Cook and Jack are fully developed he won't get a game and will be seen as slow and one dimensional and this board will go in melt down over how much we paid for him and are paying him

[old dee 23,781]

He reminds me of Brad Miller. Good size will provide a contest. Different to Brad in that he's comfortable deep in the forward line but reminds me of him nonetheless. Not sure I want or need Brad Miller mark 2 taking up a large slice of salary cap. When Cook and Jack are fully developed he won't get a game and will be seen as slow and one dimensional and this board will go in melt down over how much we paid for him and are paying him

Jako it is all over now as in todays Hun he says he is staying at the Pies.

We still need someone like him because Cook will IMO not make an big contibution before 2014 that is 2 season away.

That of course assumes he makes it.

Who is going to fill the position in 2012 /3

We need a seasoned forward now!

[pitchfork 181]

We need a seasoned forward now!

We want Chris Dawes, we don't need "Brad Miller".

Even a Dawes is likely in our best forward line to be drawing a third defender (Watts and Jurrah would seem matchup priorities). Dawes would be really excellent against that third defender most weeks...however, its seemingly unlikely he's going to be a demon. So we can't just find Chris Dawes Lite, someone like Miller who can't exploit their favourable match ups. IMO we did not miss Brad this year, he simply takes up room.

Either we're successful in taking a quality piece or we just get a year into Cooke, no mediocrity (blooding a player is not mediocre).

[Whispering_Jack 29,788]

Phew.

[MO FINE 166]

Phew.

Did we dodge a bullet or did he just have a bad day today?

[Old Man Rivers 326]

On the biggest stage of all he was very ordinary.

However much to my delight so where the majority of his team mates.

The Cats where awesome & the best part about this is they looked similiar to us in 2004/2005

[dee-luded 2,959]

Dawes, a good player. We need a contesting tall, But I feel his has been well overvalued recently.

Why are/were they having such trouble resigning him if he's so good? Wheres their priorities?

[BAMF 4,299]

He was playing injured today. But im glad we didnt get him. we would have paid far too much.

[jumbo returns 6,738]

Interesting article today in The Age about the loyalty of Tom Hafey.

I know he's from a different era and is so passe, but there's a certain No 1 draft pick pratt who could take a leaf out of this man's philosophy.

Chris Dawes espouses the same values as our young Jacks - he would have been a worthwhile pick up.

Never mind.