Melbourne-Hawthorn rivalry

[melbournefc18 4]

In 1996 both clubs came within an inch of merging and not to long ago Jeff Kennett thought we should relocate

Why do we not have a MASSIVE rivalry with this club???

I dont know about you but i HATE Hawthorn and i was a kid when the merger talks where on

Anyone know why not???

[True Believer 1]

In 1996 both clubs came within an inch of merging and not to long ago Jeff Kennett thought we should relocate

Why do we not have a MASSIVE rivalry with this club???

I dont know about you but i HATE Hawthorn and i was a kid when the merger talks where on

Anyone know why not???

my no.1 HATE team too !!!

[Gorgoroth 12,701]

Prob cas they still fall in behind Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, (for me personally Western bulldogs)

[Gippy Dee 48]

Probably because on all occasions they generally beat us...

Usually a rivalry means that both teams don't like each other. Can't see any reason why Hawthorn would have such feelings towards us.

Gippy

[Sir Why You Little 36,603]

In 1996 both clubs came within an inch of merging and not to long ago Jeff Kennett thought we should relocate

Why do we not have a MASSIVE rivalry with this club???

I dont know about you but i HATE Hawthorn and i was a kid when the merger talks where on

Anyone know why not???

Don't worry...i Hate those Crap colours they wear.

Hawthorn Stink badly.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Don't worry...i Hate those Crap colours they wear.

Hawthorn Stink badly.

The poos and wees.

I reckon the lack of hostility probably comes down to the fact that due to Don Scott, we're still the Melbourne Demons. They didn't try to merge with us, we tried to take over them. I don't reckon we had a rivalry with them, they probably have an excuse to have a rivalry with us.

I reckon the 80s, with the Stynes final probably had as much reason to cause a rivalry as anything.

[biggestred 4,786]

i hate them. but there is no rivalry because their supporters dont care about it unless they are 125 points up.....

[Keyser Söze 0]

I think its possibly because since 1996 we've pretty much been at opposite ends of the ladder each season.

[Dee Dee 1,099]

Come on!!!

Go to a Melbourne v Hawthorn game at the G (especially in the members section) and it's the eastern suburbs at play (or if you like the bourgeoisie at play).

The supporters haven't taken up any rivalry because they all know each other from "Grammar" or "College" or where ever (and the same goes for many of the players out on the field)!!!!!

And frankly - how could you hate Buddy Franklin - no way : as a kid he wore a Dee's jumper with a big 3 on the back. Fev the rotten ***t, now he's easy to loath!

[Cards13 9,117]

I hate them, I hate them because they are the club I wish we were (for the last 30 years). Ruthless, dominant, constant winners, so called family club, record members (even if half of them are dogs, cats and Tassie members). Everything we and the likes of Jim, Cam, Chris and Dean are striving for for the next 2 generations!

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Trying to think of one epic final MFC and Hawthorn played. Cant recall any written stuff on 1961 and 1963.

When MFC were strong, the Hawks were not. When the Hawks were strong in 70s and 80s MFC were not.

Lack of real tradition in their clashes despite the merger fiasco of 1996.

[montasaurus 0]

They would be jelous of our colours for a start!

[Cards13 9,117]

Trying to think of one epic final MFC and Hawthorn played. Cant recall any written stuff on 1961 and 1963.

When MFC were strong, the Hawks were not. When the Hawks were strong in 70s and 80s MFC were not.

Lack of real tradition in their clashes despite the merger fiasco of 1996.

'87?

PS wasn't that horrible: merger fiasco of 1996

Wiki link MFC Hawks

Negotiations

The negotiations advanced considerably, and settled on a number of key aspects of the proposed team. Speculation Key points agreed upon during negotiations prior to the official announcement included that:

The new team's name would be "Melbourne" and would use Hawthorn's "Hawks" nickname

The new team's jumper would resemble Melbourne's jumper, except feature a yellow 'v' and a yellow hawk

The amalgamated team would use Melbourne's red and blue with Hawthorn's yellow

A version of Hawthorn's Hawk would be the new team's logo

New club Best and Fairest award to be known as the Crimmins-Truscott Trophy

[edit] Proposed Club Song

The proposed club song was an amalgamation of the Melbourne and Hawthorn football theme songs. The tune was to the tune of a Grand Old Flag, with the second last and third last lines being sung in the the tune of Yankee Doodle Dandy.

We're the Melbourne Hawks

We're the high-flying Hawks

We're the mighty Melbourne Hawks

We play each game and we play to win

Watch us, we play with a grin

Every heart beats true, for the gold red and blue

As we sing this song to you

One for all and all for one

Two will make you stronger

Keep your eye on the mighty Melbourne Hawks

Edited February 20, 2010 by Cards13

[Sir Why You Little 36,603]

Trying to think of one epic final MFC and Hawthorn played. Cant recall any written stuff on 1961 and 1963.

When MFC were strong, the Hawks were not. When the Hawks were strong in 70s and 80s MFC were not.

Lack of real tradition in their clashes despite the merger fiasco of 1996.

1990 Round 22 & subsequent Elimination Final were very tough hard affairs. I have the Full EF on Tape

[RalphiusMaximus 6,012]

Personally I'm more inclined to despise Carlton and Collingwood. I'd be happy to have an epic rivalry with either of these.

[Swampfox 190]

Trying to think of one epic final MFC and Hawthorn played. Cant recall any written stuff on 1961 and 1963.

When MFC were strong, the Hawks were not. When the Hawks were strong in 70s and 80s MFC were not.

Lack of real tradition in their clashes despite the merger fiasco of 1996.

Back in those days most of the traditional rivalry,s were players not teams

Melbourne has always had a Collingwood rivalry although the media have a different opinion based on just one game

The 1970 grand final

I would have thought that the Hawks main rivals are still Essendon , Carlton , and Geelong

[BAMF 4,107]

Do we really have any main rivals?

I would have thought Geelong, Collingwood and essendon.

Collingwood is a traditional rival, but only seems relevant on queens birthday games.

Essendon more recently with them beating us in 2000 grand final and that elimination final where Hille destroyed Nicholson.

Geelong is who we got paired with in rivaly rounds in recent years because we were both there at the begining.

Unfortunaly none of these rivalrys are fierce eg. Essendon vs Hawthorn or Collingwood

vs Carlton.

[gOLLy 401]

Can we please refer to them as the Tassie Football Club. Hardley the Hawthorn Football Club anymore

[pitmaster 3,443]

Probably because on all occasions they generally beat us...

Usually a rivalry means that both teams don't like each other. Can't see any reason why Hawthorn would have such feelings towards us.

Gippy

Not entirely true Gippy.

John Kennedy Sr loathed us passionately because when he was a player we handed out massive floggings to them. So much so that when they won the '61 flag, ending our run, he had his players sing 'Grand Old Flag" as a funeral dirge.

So my old man told me.

[pitmaster 3,443]

In 1996 both clubs came within an inch of merging and not to long ago Jeff Kennett thought we should relocate

Why do we not have a MASSIVE rivalry with this club???

I dont know about you but i HATE Hawthorn and i was a kid when the merger talks where on

Anyone know why not???

Great rivalries are forged in finals. Our biggest finals competitors have been Collingwood (no s-t!) and Essendon.

The great rivalries are all finals related.

our era from 1926 to 1964 looks a lot like Hawthorn 1971-2008. For most of it, when we were great they were rubbish, and the reverse applies.

I hate them deeply for 1987 and 1988. (But Gippy was wrong on a second point. We had some revenge in 1990 when they were looking for three flags in a row, we beat them twice in two weeks to put them out of the finals. The shame is we did not go on with it.)

I also despise their supporters for their arrogance, and loathe their colours which are simply disgusting. Their president is a [censored] as well, but he does not upset me as much as that prat Crawford, or the sniper Osborne who is the latest in a long line of Hawthorn hit men.

Hate em for the merger? Yeah go with that.

Edited February 20, 2010 by pitmaster

[Supermercado 2,784]

Their fans stopped us from being a [censored] of a merged club. Good enough for me.

[pitmaster 3,443]

Their fans stopped us from being a [censored] of a merged club. Good enough for me.

That MFC vote was crooked and was not going to survive a legal challenge.

[Daz's Dee's 113]

We don't have any traditional rivals we are not hated or feared

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

'87?

Only famous because of a trigger happy umpire.

1990 Round 22 & subsequent Elimination Final were very tough hard affairs. I have the Full EF on Tape

Hardly the stuff to build a traditional rivalry on to span the years is it?

Great rivalries are forged in finals. Our biggest finals competitors have been Collingwood (no s-t!) and Essendon.

The great rivalries are all finals related.

our era from 1926 to 1964 looks a lot like Hawthorn 1971-2008. For most of it, when we were great they were rubbish, and the reverse applies.

Correct. Especially close GFs over a number of years.

Back in those days most of the traditional rivalry,s were players not teams

I think you will find it was the complete opposite. Read the Red Fox book.

[Deeoldfart 7,993]

I hate them, I hate them because they are the club I wish we were (for the last 30 years). Ruthless, dominant, constant winners, ........................

I can't help but admire them for that. Don't like them for a second, but have to admire their achievements, and hope like hell that we can start to emulate them in the not too distant future.