Dees face fight to axe Carroll

[beelzebub 23,378]

Dees face fight to axe Carroll

250,000 well saved...possibly

Won't be without some consternation by many many parties.

Could set a precedent !!

Still..am impressed the Club has had enough and has the will to do something about it.

Sorry Nathan...as the song says...Too many times.....too many times !!!!

[Yze_Magic 3]

$250K + for Nathan Carroll.

You have got to be kidding me.

What kind of world do we live in when a bogan with no brain and no idea can earn that much money playing a sport he is no good at?

WELL DONE NEALE DANIHER AND CHRIS FAGAN FOR ... OUR CLUB.

[Chook 15,013]

WELL DONE NEALE DANIHER AND CHRIS FAGAN FOR ... OUR CLUB.

Fix'd. We are on the right track if Nathan Carroll is delisted this year. Hopefully we don't have to pay for it, but either way, I'm glad we are going to have another open slot on our list come draft-time.

The guy was pretty good in '06, almost All-Australian standard, so probably got a 3-year contract on $250 000, so that explains why we're paying him so much.

[hoopla 418]

How did Richmond come to appoint CAC as list manager?

His legacyat Mebourne was to pay the weakest list in the AFL 100% of the salary cap in 2008, commit to paying $250k to an unemployable 28 year old in 2009 ( Carroll) and to give a 3 year contract to a reject who can't play ( Meeson). As a sweetener he agreed to pay $150k of the 2008 salary of a Brisbane player who got dropped for the last game ( Travis)

As the club can't afford to give Brad Green the same deal CAC gave Cameron Bruce, he may also be responsible for the loss of the bloke who is our natural onfield leader. I wonder if Richmond is one of the clubs reportedly wooing Greeny?

At least we should be able to trade Carroll and Meesen to the Tigers !!

[Spirit of the Demon 251]

Melbourne's football lieutenants recently briefed the club's board on the Carroll situation, suggesting the player had allegedly racially vilified a staff member, drunkenly directed a series of highly personal and sexist comments to a number of players and failed on a number of occasions to adequately prepare for senior football.

Perhaps he should have visited Auschwitz last year instead of going to the Oktoberfest and getting himself [censored]!

[Forest Demon 4,681]

That is amazing, he had one good season, and it would seem he was signed to a 3 year deal worth $250,000+ a year. Unbelievable!

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

WELL DONE NEALE DANIHER AND CHRIS FAGAN FOR ... OUR CLUB.

The guy was pretty good in '06, almost All-Australian standard, so probably got a 3-year contract on $250 000, so that explains why we're paying him so much.

Yep... Y_M has never been much for the facts...

Carroll is among only a handful of players on the list who has, to date, played a good season of AFL footy. Under a different coach who had no place for him in his gameplan, and without his mentor, he was always going to be shaky... THAT'S why he gets the chop. His behaviour is just the means by which they can do it publicly.

[Rampaging Demons 1]

give him the arse as soon as possible... negotiate a payout and spend the money on youth!!

benny gale will fight this but at the end of the day, what can he do?

if what the article says is true, then this is totally unacceptable and for a 'senior' footballer...

[censored] off carroll!!

[True Believer 1]

give him the arse as soon as possible... negotiate a payout and spend the money on youth!!

benny gale will fight this but at the end of the day, what can he do?

if what the article says is true, then this is totally unacceptable and for a 'senior' footballer...

[censored] off carroll!!

Come on MFC FIGHT HARD on this one.... if we get stuck with him, make him our runner for the season !!!!

[jabberwocky 2,301]

This is excellent news as far as I'm concerned. This and to a lesser extent the Green negotiations flag a culture change and a hardness and resolve that will take the club into a successful future.

Does anyone have any knowledge of the circumstances in which footballers contracts can be terminated? Are they subject to the same emlployment rules as others.

[H_T 3,047]

$250K + for Nathan Carroll.

You have got to be kidding me.

And me.

[the fork 357]

This simply wouldn't have happened two years ago, we would have swallowed our pride and just played him out, possibly in the seniors.

Danihers legacy lives on. Congratulations to all at the MFC who are fighting this one, your genuine supporters expect nothing less.

[Whispering_Jack 30,173]

If the allegations against Carroll are correct and the AFL standard contract permits the termination of the agreement in those circumstances, the club should take a hard line stance on this issue and insist on the AFL's full support. If the facts come to light as have been put around in recent weeks and which seem to be supported in this article and the AFLPA supports Carroll then it will be to its everlasting shame.

[mauriesy 7,298]

If ... the AFLPA supports Carroll then it will be to its everlasting shame.

Agreed. Reminds me of the Police Association who go in to bat for crooked cops regardless.

[Bates Mate 4,487]

We should have made this less public and try to get pick 60 or something for him and pay part of his hugely inflated salary to the new club

[mauriesy 7,298]

$250K + for Nathan Carroll.

You have got to be kidding me.

What kind of world do we live in when a bogan with no brain and no idea can earn that much money playing a sport he is no good at?

I wish people would get over the figures being quoted about footballer's salaries. You can't pay everyone $50,000. The average salary for an AFL player is now well over $200,000 (just dividing the salary cap by the number of listed players). That means the run-of-the-mill average player is on that sort of level, some players obviously on a lot more, others (draftees, rookies) on a lot less.

And any payout to Carroll would include some other entitlements e.g. leave equivalents, redundancy etc.

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

If the allegations against Carroll are correct and the AFL standard contract permits the termination of the agreement in those circumstances, the club should take a hard line stance on this issue and insist on the AFL's full support. If the facts come to light as have been put around in recent weeks and which seem to be supported in this article and the AFLPA supports Carroll then it will be to its everlasting shame.

I rang the Players Assoc this morning, referred to Nathan Carroll but not the incident and asked if the AFL Players Assoc would have philosophical problems supporting a footballer in a contract dispute if the root issue was racism related. Their media representative would only say the AFL have a code of conduct that governs racism related matters and that through that structure the player can be punished accordingly. I asked whether there were conditions upon which a contract could be annulled for matters not written into a contract if they were racism related. Upon which, the media man, retrod the above line. I guess the problem the Players Assoc have is that they have a duty to care to the player, I think that has to be unconditional. I would argue that the Players Assoc should exercise this duty by ensuring that Carroll receives mentoring/help to deal with the social issues that he obviously has and to assist him with this future, but should not assist him in evading the consequences of his actions to date, i.e the contract. This is going to be an interesting case.

[Trisul 664]

Edit: Out of date code of coduct removed. (Thanks Fan)

2007-11 Collective Bargaining Agreement (PDF)

AFL Players Code of Conduct (PDF) (AFLPA sourced)

[Weedster 174]

This simply wouldn't have happened two years ago, we would have swallowed our pride and just played him out, possibly in the seniors.

Danihers legacy lives on. Congratulations to all at the MFC who are fighting this one, your genuine supporters expect nothing less.

What has this got to do with Neil Daniher !! Short memories around here - 7 finals series in 10 years even when we sold home games and lived with shx%3t facilities - get some perspective.........

[Neita3000 37]

We should have made this less public and try to get pick 60 or something for him and pay part of his hugely inflated salary to the new club

Im pretty sure all the clubs would be aware of Nathan's indiscretions of late.

[Rampaging Demons 1]

a three year contract - interesting in the current environment

also, has no value to anyone let alone the demons!!

see ya later champ!!

[the fork 357]

What has this got to do with Neil Daniher !! Short memories around here - 7 finals series in 10 years even when we sold home games and lived with shx%3t facilities - get some perspective.........

What we were left with is all the perspective I need thanks...

[Guest Golgothan]

Does anyone have any knowledge of the circumstances in which footballers contracts can be terminated? Are they subject to the same emlployment rules as others.

It's not the same as standard employment ruels, if you want to know exactly check out the CBA which some put the link to. But they are subject to a code of conduct and Melbourne are claiming that he's breached it and does not deserve to be paid out. No player has ever been terminated without being paid out the remainder of their contract.

If the allegations against Carroll are correct and the AFL standard contract permits the termination of the agreement in those circumstances, the club should take a hard line stance on this issue and insist on the AFL's full support. If the facts come to light as have been put around in recent weeks and which seem to be supported in this article and the AFLPA supports Carroll then it will be to its everlasting shame.

They were discussing it on SEN this morning and the SEN guys were right behind Melbourne if the reported facts were true. They played part of an interview with Brendon Gale and he said something vanilla about supporting Carroll, that it was disapointing that this was being played out in the media before there was a chance to trade him and that he couldn't see Carroll not getting paid unless they could prove extreme extenuating circumstances. The SEN guys went on to say that the racial vilification as well as the drinking issue surely proved an extreme breach of conduct.

What i took out of what Gale said was basically the facts would have to be presented to them for Melbourne to not pay out his contract and that hadn't happend yet, and they would continue to support Carroll until proved that he should be terminated without pay. Fair enough, it's their job to support the players and without knowing the facts they will to continue to do so

[Slartibartfast 17,297]

AFL Players Code of Conduct (PDF)

2007-11 Collective Bargaining Agreement (PDF)

This Code of Conduct is out of date.

[mo64 5,874]

I wish people would get over the figures being quoted about footballer's salaries. You can't pay everyone $50,000. The average salary for an AFL player is now well over $200,000 (just dividing the salary cap by the number of listed players). That means the run-of-the-mill average player is on that sort of level, some players obviously on a lot more, others (draftees, rookies) on a lot less.

And any payout to Carroll would include some other entitlements e.g. leave equivalents, redundancy etc.

Well said Maurie. If 25-30% of a list is made up of players in their 1st or 2nd year of football and earning $60k-$120k pa, it's only logical that a player in his 6th or 7th season would be on around $250k.

And those who suggested that we pay him out, haven't read the article properly. If we do, his termination payment will be included in 2008 salary cap, which we will exceed. Now this is incomprehensible given that we made a play for Chris Judd. How the hell were we going to fit him into our salary cap?

I was a big fan of Craig Cameron as a recruitment manager, but as a list manager, he left alot to be desired.