Training - Wednesday, 28th November 2018

[Satyriconhome 9,986]

2 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

So one can only comment if one attended a VFL final months ago? And a single VFL goal excuses his poor 2018 AFL season?

Righto.

Yes, I can write what I want, your opinion on anything on here is one of those I value least

Garlett, had by his standards, a poor season, but to say he wasn't interested, which equates to wasn't trying, is offensive

[MT64 1,096]

Going to watch Tom Swallow with great interest. He has size already but with a couple of pre-seasons under the belt I feel he will be a monster. Quite impressed with our pick-up's this year. No pressure on them but  in a couple of years will start to push for selection. 

Edited November 29, 2018 by MT64
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[dazzledavey36 48,912]

17 minutes ago, ProDee said:

I would have delisted him after that GF performance, which was probably the worst performance I've ever seen from a senior player at that level.  It was doubly worse because it happened in the biggest game of the year.

I've been a big Jeffy fan, but i agree, that GF performance was atrocious! When we needed senior heads to stand up he was MIA.

He's actually lucky he's still on the list. Has a big challange ahead of him next year if Spargo development goes to another level.

[dazzledavey36 48,912]

12 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Yes, I can write what I want, your opinion on anything on here is one of those I value least

Garlett, had by his standards, a poor season, but to say he wasn't interested, which equates to wasn't trying, is offensive

Offensive to who exactly?

[dazzledavey36 48,912]

11 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Sorry I thought it was Hutchins' fault they lost, he was there trying to get on the end of a disjointed attack feeding off an undersized ruck division and outclassed midfield, my bad

My point if he wasn't interested he had the opportunity to feign an injury and get out of the atrocious conditions at Port but didn't, put his body on the line and kicked the sealer to actually get them into the final

Ohh so its their fault that he couldn't get a kick...right.. 

[Wiseblood 24,636]

14 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I've been a big Jeffy fan, but i agree, that GF performance was atrocious! When we needed senior heads to stand up he was MIA.

He's actually lucky he's still on the list. Has a big challange ahead of him next year if Spargo development goes to another level.

Not to mention the addition of Toby Bedford to the list.  Hopefully he is up to the challenge, but he will need to impress big time over the pre-season to earn a spot back in the side.  Goody doesn't have time for blokes who don't chase and get involved in games enough.

[dazzledavey36 48,912]

6 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Not to mention the addition of Toby Bedford to the list.  Hopefully he is up to the challenge, but he will need to impress big time over the pre-season to earn a spot back in the side.  Goody doesn't have time for blokes who don't chase and get involved in games enough.

Forgot about Bedford.. good point.

[jnrmac 19,088]

26 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Offensive to who exactly?

Offense is always taken you know, never given....

[Demonland 65,652]

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

Forgot about Bedford.. good point.

We also just rookied a small forward noted for his tackling pressure in Kade Chandler.

[Moonshadow 16,274]

34 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Yes, I can write what I want, your opinion on anything on here is one of those I value least

Garlett, had by his standards, a poor season, but to say he wasn't interested, which equates to wasn't trying, is offensive

Playing the man again.

Garlett lost interest and compared to others in the team delivered a pea hearted effort for the second half of the season. He's lucky to still be on the list. Don't need to attend every game to see that!

An experienced, creative small forward was exactly what we needed leading up to finals this year. Spargo was clearly exhausted but battled on manfully. The positive of Jeffy's MIA is the finals experience Spargo flourished in. 

Hopefully Jeffy turns the corner, is fit and eager to get into the 2019 season. 

[Satyriconhome 9,986]

4 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Playing the man again.

Garlett lost interest and compared to others in the team delivered a pea hearted effort for the second half of the season. He's lucky to still be on the list. Don't need to attend every game to see that!

An experienced, creative small forward was exactly what we needed leading up to finals this year. Spargo was clearly exhausted but battled on manfully. The positive of Jeffy's MIA is the finals experience Spargo flourished in. 

Hopefully Jeffy turns the corner, is fit and eager to get into the 2019 season. 

Following your example hero, still on the list because obviously FD have a different opinion to some of the experts on here

Needs a big year, surprisingly he knows that

No comment on my assessment og Casey Grand Final, or will that spoil your argument?

[Demonland 65,652]

Ok boys settle down. We all support the same team.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

18 minutes ago, Demonland said:

We also just rookied a small forward noted for his tackling pressure in Kade Chandler.

True, and it also highlights the fact that we see this as an area of need since our finals campaign ended.  As Moonie mentioned above, Spargo battled on manfully, but having someone at the feet of our forwards who can buzz around, kick a few and put on some tackling pressure would have been super handy.  Garlett can play this role but was horribly out of form, through either a lack of effort, unwillingness to work super hard for it or he was blanketed by some good defensive teams.  Probably a combination of all three to be honest, although I think most would agree his efforts were pretty poor when he was in the senior side.

Jeffy can still have a role to play, but he'll need to work super hard to get a chance at doing it.

Edited November 30, 2018 by Wiseblood

[Stretch Johnson 2,585]

7 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Ok boys settle down. We all support the same team.

I support the dees and the discussion and analysis of the game that Demonland provides.

[Smokey 4,138]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Yes, I can write what I want, your opinion on anything on here is one of those I value least

Garlett, had by his standards, a poor season, but to say he wasn't interested, which equates to wasn't trying, is offensive

offensive? to who, you or jeffy? 

seems a hugely dramatic response, especially since jeffy has seemed disinterested 

[Moonshadow 16,274]

12 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Following your example hero, still on the list because obviously FD have a different opinion to some of the experts on here

Needs a big year, surprisingly he knows that

No comment on my assessment og Casey Grand Final, or will that spoil your argument?

Name calling.

IMO, he's on the 2019 list because his trade value was zero, has a contract for 2019 and some on the FD hope he may turn the corner, as do I.

That's it from me. Let's move on, unless you can't...

[hemingway 7,597]

27 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Name calling.

IMO, he's on the 2019 list because his trade value was zero, has a contract for 2019 and some on the FD hope he may turn the corner, as do I.

That's it from me. Let's move on, unless you can't...

Agree with your second sentence.

Despite all the speculative opinions, we don't know what else may have affected his form.

And I am not a fan. But, I can see the sense in allowing him to play another season given his contract status. 

Even if we see some Garlett magic in 2019,  we will need to see consistent Garlett magic for him to be selected and retained in the team. And that means doing so at Casey first.   We know that competition for spots is going to be intense. 

[Binmans PA 26,260]

4 hours ago, ProDee said:

I would have delisted him after that GF performance, which was probably the worst performance I've ever seen from a senior player at that level.  It was doubly worse because it happened in the biggest game of the year.

I'm intrigued by our treatment of Jeffy in the past 12 months. He's exactly the sort of player that doesn't fit our system anymore, but can snatch a victory still when he's on by bobbing up and kicking a few (ie. the Brisbane game).

I was expecting his delisting too. He simply doesn't attack the contest hard enough. 

However, given we've kept him, I suspect we think he can turn things around or they think he's good depth. Particularly, with the departures of the likes of Kent and Bugg.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,466]

5 minutes ago, A F said:

I'm intrigued by our treatment of Jeffy in the past 12 months. He's exactly the sort of player that doesn't fit our system anymore, but can snatch a victory still when he's on by bobbing up and kicking a few (ie. the Brisbane game).

I was expecting his delisting too. He simply doesn't attack the contest hard enough. 

However, given we've kept him, I suspect we think he can turn things around or they think he's good depth. Particularly, with the departures of the likes of Kent and Bugg.

But doesn't he have another year on his contract? Delisting wouldn't have been possible, although a "negotiated retirement" might have been if both parties wanted it.  (I'm not buying into the debate of whether he should still be playing; just making the point that contracts require adherence from both sides.)

[Binmans PA 26,260]

Just now, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

But doesn't he have another year on his contract? Delisting wouldn't have been possible, although a "negotiated retirement" might have been if both parties wanted it.  (I'm not buying into the debate of whether he should still be playing; just making the point that contracts require adherence from both sides.)

My understanding is you can delist and pay out, but you're right. I suspect his contract is the main reason why he wasn't moved on.

[Redleg 37,771]

17 hours ago, A F said:

I think you're thinking of Robert Wagner, mate.

Or Christopher Walken, who was on the boat with them.

[McQueen 17,864]

Tyson looked like a champ when we was shyte.

Unfortunately I think Jeffy is suffering a similar set of circumstances.

[Deemania since 56 6,179]

5 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I've been a big Jeffy fan, but i agree, that GF performance was atrocious! When we needed senior heads to stand up he was MIA.

He's actually lucky he's still on the list. Has a big challange ahead of him next year if Spargo development goes to another level.

Close checking can slow him down, affecting his performance and space-finding; a close defender can work him over fairly easily it would seem. At the same time, he has an enormous upside to his game in several key regards which must elicit deep respect and admiration; therefore, here's hoping that his game skills and opportunities expand in the pre-season and into the season itself as he is extremely valuable as a player in form to the team.

[DeeSpencer 23,221]

1 hour ago, A F said:

I'm intrigued by our treatment of Jeffy in the past 12 months. He's exactly the sort of player that doesn't fit our system anymore, but can snatch a victory still when he's on by bobbing up and kicking a few (ie. the Brisbane game).

I was expecting his delisting too. He simply doesn't attack the contest hard enough. 

However, given we've kept him, I suspect we think he can turn things around or they think he's good depth. Particularly, with the departures of the likes of Kent and Bugg.

We didn't need the list spot and I assume we didn't have much room to squeeze salary in to last seasons cap, so there was little to gain by forcing an early retirement as long as Jeff turns up in shape and willing to work. 

Given there's an opportunity to add a rookie up until March and again mid season we may as well keep him training until the games start. If he's showing an aversion to contact and little form at Casey I'd expect the club would negotiate a retirement, probably by June would be my guess.