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1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

I agree Gawn needs support but I don’t think the side can support Gawn, Preuss, Weed, Hogan and T Mac.  

Gawns back up has the be the third tall forward. Can’t carry 4. I personally don’t even know about 3 I think we look better with just 2 talls and some good smalls 

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If Gawn gets injured, overworked, battered then we need a backup ruck. Tmcd hogan Weid are quick relief during a game.  Not ruckmen at all

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My view of the best 22 for next year

 

Lever    Oscar  Jetta 

salem.  Frost.  Hibbo

jones.  Oliver.   Harmes

petracca.  Hogan. Vanders 

melksham  McDonald. Weideman 

gawn.  Brayshaw.  Viney. 

Lewis.  Nibbler.  Hannan.  Fritsch 

 

I think Lewis will be under pressure to keep his spot just given his age but he’s good enough to play his role and hold it 

jones will need to settle into a slightly different role. Maybe up forward. Not sure he’s good enough overhead to play back all the time. Could also be a tagger. Beauty of harmes is he can shut someone down without losing his offensive output 

oscar I think had improved a lot this year and lever back in will help him a lot. The backs too often don’t talk and fly for the same ball. This needs to be worked on over pre season 

up forward we will need to work hard on our connection and forward craft. We will become super dangerous when those guys begin to isolate and create space for each other. Too often they all get dragged to the same spot. 

Tyson isn’t best 22 for mine at this stage and is someone I’d consider offers for. I think he’s worth a pick between 25-35 

the addition of some outside pace on the wings would help a huge amount. This gives baker and hunt and opening if they can have a good pre season  

all in all I think we had a bad day in the prelim but we are close to a flag. We will be better for the run in finals and a huge chance to go one better next year if the hunger remains and the growth continues 

 

 

 

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On 9/22/2018 at 9:23 PM, DeeSpencer said:

I'll update this as the list changes come in. And after trade week. But I thought I'd get some things down on paper and see where we are at and what we need to bring in.

FB: Hibberd   Oscar  Jetta
HB: Lever   Frost  Salem
C;  Fritsch   Brayshaw  #####
HF:  Spargo  ?Hogan    Petracca
FF: #####   T Mc  Melksham
Foll: Gawn   Oliver  Viney
Int: ?HBF,  ?Forward/Wing, Harmes, Vanders

I've left Frost and Oscar in because I don't think we are getting May and we have to back them in.

Depth: ANB, Hannan, Stretch, Baker, Maynard, Wagner, Jones, Lewis, Hunt, J Smith, ?Garlett, ?Tyson

Key defenders: Frost, Oscar, Petty, ??Keilty
3rd tall: Lever, J Smith
Back pockets: Jetta
Flankers: Hibberd, Salem,Hunt,  ?? Lewis, Wagner

Inside mids: Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw, Harmes, Maynard
Outside mids: Fritsch, ??Tyson, ??Jones, Stretch, Baker
Ruck: Gawn, ??Preuss

Mid/forward: Petracca, Vanders

Key forwards: T Mc, ??Hogan, Weideman
3rd tall: Melksham
Flankers: Spargo, ANB, Hannan
Crumbers: ???Garlett




 

My Best 22

FB: Salem   Oscar  Jetta
HB: Lever    Frost  Hibb/May
C. Fritsch Brayshaw  Hibb/____
HF: Spargo  Hogan  Melksham
FF: ________   T Mc  Petracca
Foll: Gawn   Oliver  Viney
Int: Jones  _______   Harmes, Vanders

In my opinion. We need Speed! But Hunt isn’t the man going forward. His kicking is actually getting worse. I like Stretch when he gets abit of confidence.

Lewis is done.

Tyson gave all he had for the last 2 months but time to move on.

Weiderman has made a big headache when it comes to balancing out smalls and talks up forward..

ANB Needs a kick in the ass. Joel Smith isn’t the answer.

Jones is too slow to play on a wing (Has to play in the guts or rotate on the bench or through Half Back)

Gawn Needs help.

I hope we get Gaff but I’m hearing the club won’t pay the 1.2 million he wants a year. He would go straight to the wing if we got him.

potentially if we Got May. Hibberd could go to a wing.

Edited by MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday

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12 hours ago, DemonLad5 said:

The fact that some people are leaving Jones and Lewis out of their 22 are pretty embarrassing 

Pretty embarrassing on the posters or on the players.  Jones looks totally lost playing on the wing and isn't in the best 4-5 mids to run through the middle.  Lewis great with ball in hand but defensively is terrible.  

Leg speed and kicking skills.

Must admit bit worried about 2019, I reckon it could be a bit like 1998 to 1999, we will go backwards to go forward.

Richmond will get Lynch, Geelong Dalhouse and Rohen, North Polac, Gaff and the Hall, Collingwood will get May so the sides around us will get better by adding missing links, really we need to players North are getting

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3 hours ago, drdrake said:

 

Richmond will get Lynch, Geelong Dalhouse and Rohen, North Polac, Gaff and the Hall, Collingwood will get May so the sides around us will get better by adding missing links, really we need to players North are getting

Agree - I look at north and go - yep that’s what we are missing. Jack Martin should be top of that list if he wants to move to Vic. 

We won’t match Polec money, Hall isn’t good enough, Gaff would be a dream. 

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17 hours ago, DemonLad5 said:

The fact that some people are leaving Jones and Lewis out of their 22 are pretty embarrassing 

I couldn’t agree more. Few emotional “fans”. Remember when we sacked James McDonald? That went well didn’t it..

lewis I could make a case for speed and someone with Similar foot skill. But Christ. Jones isn’t going anywhere.

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We don't seem be a destination club for some reason. Would like to see Hogan play as a defender. O'Mac could go forward. J.Smith retrained as a tall mid. Jones to be eased out of senior side. Hunt to become a forward. Possibly pick up Preuss, Gawn can ruck 50% and play back or forward. Preuss to ruck rest of team

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15 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Tyson isn’t best 22 for mine at this stage and is someone I’d consider offers for. I think he’s worth a pick between 25-35

 

I like your thinking, but there's no way I see that trade happening...

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On 9/24/2018 at 12:47 AM, WERRIDEE said:

Who we gonna give away for May? We have no picks. Tyson, Garlett and Hunt probably won't cut it.

i think we can give away future picks but we are limited in what we can do given overs for lever last year

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18 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

My view of the best 22 for next year

 

Lever    Oscar  Jetta 

salem.  Frost.  Hibbo

jones.  Oliver.   Harmes

petracca.  Hogan. Vanders 

melksham  McDonald. Weideman 

gawn.  Brayshaw.  Viney. 

Lewis.  Nibbler.  Hannan.  Fritsch 

 

I think Lewis will be under pressure to keep his spot just given his age but he’s good enough to play his role and hold it 

jones will need to settle into a slightly different role. Maybe up forward. Not sure he’s good enough overhead to play back all the time. Could also be a tagger. Beauty of harmes is he can shut someone down without losing his offensive output 

oscar I think had improved a lot this year and lever back in will help him a lot. The backs too often don’t talk and fly for the same ball. This needs to be worked on over pre season 

up forward we will need to work hard on our connection and forward craft. We will become super dangerous when those guys begin to isolate and create space for each other. Too often they all get dragged to the same spot. 

Tyson isn’t best 22 for mine at this stage and is someone I’d consider offers for. I think he’s worth a pick between 25-35 

the addition of some outside pace on the wings would help a huge amount. This gives baker and hunt and opening if they can have a good pre season  

all in all I think we had a bad day in the prelim but we are close to a flag. We will be better for the run in finals and a huge chance to go one better next year if the hunger remains and the growth continues 

 

 

 

Its about money ball, and if your current and future output isnt in line with your salary you become tradeable. tyson, kent, bugg would likely be in that boat. others aren't up to day in day out performances like frost (doesn't play when lever is back), hannan but we still need then until we have something better and the cap space to get players in. also a best 22 type with finals experience would be helpful for when lewis and Jones move on likely after next season

Edited by Demons1858

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6 hours ago, ENYAW said:

We don't seem be a destination club for some reason. Would like to see Hogan play as a defender. O'Mac could go forward. J.Smith retrained as a tall mid. Jones to be eased out of senior side. Hunt to become a forward. Possibly pick up Preuss, Gawn can ruck 50% and play back or forward. Preuss to ruck rest of team

true, we don't seem to attract free agents either which are free kicks. they seem to always go to hawt or geel

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2019 could be an anticlimax unless we take serious stock... our draw will be tougher.. the prelim shows the flaws in our style... we need to be proactive and tough minded in my opinion... 

Safe in the 22

Jetta Omac .........

Hibbo Lever Salem

........ Brayshaw ........

Trac TMac .......

Melksh Weed ......

Gawn Oliver Viney 

Next best .....Harmes Jones ANB Lewis

Depth... Fritsch Vanders Stretch Petty Hannan Frost Smith’s 

Not sure about... Spargo Baker Keilty Maynard Wagner

Gone ..... Vince Baltic Pedo King Flipper Johnstone 

Tradebait ... Hogan (for 2 first rounders) Tyson Kent JKH Garlett Hunt Bugg (all swapped for picks)

NEEDS...... WINGERS x 2... fast good kick half backs x2 .... forward crumbers x2.... 2nd ruck backup........ quick mids x2.... key forward and back... 

I wouldn’t be relying on natural growth because the competition will go past us particularly with 666 and 30 metre goal squares..

 

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13 hours ago, ENYAW said:

We don't seem be a destination club for some reason. Would like to see Hogan play as a defender. O'Mac could go forward. J.Smith retrained as a tall mid. Jones to be eased out of senior side. Hunt to become a forward. Possibly pick up Preuss, Gawn can ruck 50% and play back or forward. Preuss to ruck rest of team

We got Lever last year, have picked up Hibberd and Melksham the years before that and Lewis chose us while he could have gone anywhere. We don't have a heap of spare salary cap (like Nth/StK) to be linked with everyone, and I'm happy we pick up guys with a lot of scope to improve and have time left (excluding Lewis - a free kick really). 

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I think Jones will be doing more running than anyone else in the league this pre-season, clearly he's no longer the go to guy on the inside (but thanks for holding the place together for years), but I can see him doing what Lewis did years ago at the Hawks. After one of the pre-seasons he came back much smaller and lighter than ever and then he's role shifted from the inside to outside/half back. I can see Jones doing the same, he's not super fast but not slow either, we'll need him to just will himself to each contest but to stay on the outside now. If he can do that he'll be a more than handy wingman.

Hopefully Lewis comes out like Bernie did last year and says he's happy to fight for his spot and knows there's a good chance he'll end up at Casey, he played a shocker in the prelim, but he was still more than handy over the year but I don't want him to play more than 15 games next year, I want the younger guys to completely force him out, not be handed games. 

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On 9/24/2018 at 1:57 PM, MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday said:

I couldn’t agree more. Few emotional “fans”. Remember when we sacked James McDonald? That went well didn’t it..

lewis I could make a case for speed and someone with Similar foot skill. But Christ. Jones isn’t going anywhere.

I don't know that (many) people are wanting to delist Jones (certainly Junior McD was handled badly) but there can be no guarantee that he will be 'best 22' all 2019, so would it be best if he were relieved of the captaincy?  

Hard to drop a captain, and playing one just because he is captain doesn't work, does it Casey?

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Lewis' last game just can't be forgiven that easily. Flying to perth for a prelim and he hits a wce player off the ball, reverses the ball and they kick the 1st goal of the game from it and get the fans up and about. Pathetic act by a 'leader'. He then gave away about 3 more goals . I think Lewis has been good for us this season by by gee is he a polarising player. I think he is gone next season, due to leg speed alone. 

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On 9/25/2018 at 3:57 PM, monoccular said:

but there can be no guarantee that he will be 'best 22' all 2019, so would it be best if he were relieved of the captaincy?  

🤦🏼‍♂️

Why not just kick him in the gonads as well while we’re at it? 

Jones isn’t a fringe player. He is heart & soul.

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Posted (edited)

Obviously these trades have to take place for this too work (Don’t know how it will work but this team keeps Hoges while picking up May.) Mind you this is when everyone is fit & if Kolodjashnij reaches his potential without injury.

Lever  May  Hibberd

Kolodjashnij  TMac Salem

Harmes Oliver Fritsch

Gawn Viney Brayshaw

Petracca Hogan Jones

Pruess Weidman Melksham

Reserves - Spargo  Jetta  Stretch  ANB/Hannan

Edited by Alex Flood

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Fortunately, we won't get to see TMac butcher the ball at CHB, because there's absolutely no way TMac will play back again. And Hogan will go. Nothing surer. So your team with TMac replacing Hogan and Frost/OMac playing CHB is getting better.

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On 9/24/2018 at 7:54 AM, Patches O’houlihan said:

 

Gawns back up has the be the third tall forward. Can’t carry 4. I personally don’t even know about 3 I think we look better with just 2 talls and some good smalls 

Lycett, Vardy, Barrass, McGovern. Hurn. Kennedy. Darling ....GRAND FINAL 

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6 minutes ago, A F said:

Fortunately, we won't get to see TMac butcher the ball at CHB, because there's absolutely no way TMac will play back again. And Hogan will go. Nothing surer. So your team with TMac replacing Hogan and Frost/OMac playing CHB is getting better.

Sorry mate, only been a supporter for a couple of years so really don’t know how TMac goes down back. From what I’ve seen up forward I thought he’d go alright up back. I’m guess OMac goes better than his brother down back ?

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Posted (edited)
29 minutes ago, Alex Flood said:

Sorry mate, only been a supporter for a couple of years so really don’t know how TMac goes down back. From what I’ve seen up forward I thought he’d go alright up back. I’m guess OMac goes better than his brother down back ?

Each to their own, mate. It's just my opinion. Hope you enjoy season 2019 either way. : ) 

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21 minutes ago, A F said:

Each to their own, mate. It's just my opinion. Hope you enjoy season 2019 either way. : ) 

Looking forward to 2019, will be a damn good year if both the Demons & Celtics win it next year.

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BEST 22

B: Lever, May, Jetta

HB: Hibberd, O.McDonald, Salem

C : Kolodjashnij, Oliver, Brayshaw

HF: Neal-Bullen, Weideman, Petracca

F: Melksham, T.McDonald, Hannan

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Harmes

IC: Jones, Fritsch, Lewis, Preuss

EMERG: Stretch, J.Smith, Frost, Spargo

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