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I'm confused. I'm certain Dawes won't be dropped. I'm certain Hogan will be included. I'm very confident Garland will be included. I'm almost as confident that the Footy Dept will want to reward the G

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Cheezus I cannot believe this! We won probably the most important game for many a year and people want to start getting CUTE! Minimal changes In: HOGAN ( IF FIT) Out: probably BAIL or JONES ( Stif

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Ins. Hogan, Garland

Outs. Spencer, Bail/M Jones/Riley

Will be interesting to see if West Coast play both NicNat and Sinclair.

Don't believe we will carry 2 rucks against the Eagles.

In Darwin???

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Dawes might miss if we take the 2 ruck option which we probably should against WC, particularly in Darwin.

Unless we think it would be a plus to stretch their defence particularly with injuries to the tall defenders.

I think we need to be careful of going too tall though, Hogan in for a tall either Spencer or Dawes. Dawes for me.

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It's a real tough one in Darwin wether you drop a small in Bail for Hogan or Spencer. You don't want to be too tall but in the taxing conditions you can't rely on Gawn and say Dawes.. I think part of Gawns performance on the w.e was due to the fact he got a proper rest with Spencer in the side. I don't know do you drop Dawes for Hogan ? Garland has also been cleared to play, who makes way for him ? Maybe Riley. Matt jones kick 2 goals and did a good job Enright as a defensive forward.

Ins : Hogan, Garland

Out: Dawes/Spencer, Bail

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Ins. Hogan, Garland

Outs. Spencer, Bail/M Jones/Riley

Will be interesting to see if West Coast play both NicNat and Sinclair.

Don't believe we will carry 2 rucks against the Eagles.

Surely you cant drop mJones!

Hogan in. Garland is harder.

I would rather JKH than Bail or Riley however not sure what there roles were so cant really say.

Wouldn't be many changes - have to reward the effort and show faith

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Dawes might miss if we take the 2 ruck option which we probably should against WC, particularly in Darwin.

Unless we think it would be a plus to stretch their defence particularly with injuries to the tall defenders.

I think we need to be careful of going too tall though, Hogan in for a tall either Spencer or Dawes. Dawes for me.

Well said - I love Dawes aggression however Hogan provides more.

Would probably want two rucks against WCE - we have gone too tall before and it has badly hurt our run and spread.

Not going to be as easy in the ruck this week - both Nat and Sinclair are 2.00m tall so Gawn and Spencer will need to jump (esp against Nat).

Mids wont be getting as many taps to adv.

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I'd also keep Spencer, to assure Max won't run out of steam again leaving us thrashed in the 4th Q.

Ins: Hogan, Garland (maybe)

Outs: Dawes, Bail/Riley

If we wanted to keep a similar structure it would probably be easier to bring in JKH.

In: Hogan, JKH

Out: Dawes, Bail or Riley

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Gawn will need help in the ruck. Doesn't have the tank for 4qtrs in Darwin.

Think it worked well on the weekend - not sure what the %'s were for time in the ruck.

Gawn is probably the better forward but had more hitouts last week (44 vs 25).

Tough one - Gawns height would be good against nicnats jump however Spencer could be a liability forward.

Would say 50% each depending on which one of the above Roos values more.

They could just change like 2 or 3 times a quarter and try and confuse their defense.

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If it was me, I'd like to set it up like this. Changes are in bold, Stretch stiff to miss out.

R12

B: Daniel Cross, Tom McDonald, Neville Jetta
HB: Jeremy Howe, Lynden Dunn, Heritier Lumumba
C: Jimmy Toumpas, Dom Tyson, Jack Viney
HF: Jack Watts, Chris Dawes, Billy Stretch
F: Jeff Garlett, Jake Spencer, Angus Brayshaw
FOLL: Max Gawn, Nathan Jones, Bernie Vince
I/C: Rohan Bail, Matt Jones, Alex Neal-Bullen, Aidan Riley

R14

B: Lynden Dunn, Tom McDonald, Neville Jetta

HB: Daniel Cross, Colin Garland, Heritier Lumumba
C: Jimmy Toumpas, Dom Tyson, Jack Viney
HF: Jack Watts, Chris Dawes, Jeremy Howe
F: Jeff Garlett, Jesse Hogan, Angus Brayshaw
FOLL: Max Gawn, Nathan Jones, Bernie Vince
I/C: Rohan Bail, Matt Jones, Jay Kennedy-Harris, Alex Neal-Bullen

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If it was me, I'd like to set it up like this. Changes are in bold, Stretch stiff to miss out.

R12

B: Daniel Cross, Tom McDonald, Neville Jetta

HB: Jeremy Howe, Lynden Dunn, Heritier Lumumba

C: Jimmy Toumpas, Dom Tyson, Jack Viney

HF: Jack Watts, Chris Dawes, Billy Stretch

F: Jeff Garlett, Jake Spencer, Angus Brayshaw

FOLL: Max Gawn, Nathan Jones, Bernie Vince

I/C: Rohan Bail, Matt Jones, Alex Neal-Bullen, Aidan Riley

R14

B: Lynden Dunn, Tom McDonald, Neville Jetta

HB: Daniel Cross, Colin Garland, Heritier Lumumba

C: Jimmy Toumpas, Dom Tyson, Jack Viney

HF: Jack Watts, Chris Dawes, Jeremy Howe

F: Jeff Garlett, Jesse Hogan, Angus Brayshaw

FOLL: Max Gawn, Nathan Jones, Bernie Vince

I/C: Rohan Bail, Matt Jones, Jay Kennedy-Harris, Alex Neal-Bullen

I like the ins and outs however problem is you have left Gawn (who doesn't have a big tank) to ruck against Nicnat and probably Sinclair (both 2.00m) in the heat.

Dawes (1.93m) might be able to 2nd ruck for like 10% however we would get smashed then + wouldn't want to risk knee.

Hogan - wouldn't risk him in the ruck with back/hammy

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Don't understand why they never fixture this game before the bye so both teams have two weeks to recover from the hardest venue in football.

We have to play the following Saturday.

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It's a real tough one in Darwin wether you drop a small in Bail for Hogan or Spencer. You don't want to be too tall but in the taxing conditions you can't rely on Gawn and say Dawes.. I think part of Gawns performance on the w.e was due to the fact he got a proper rest with Spencer in the side. I don't know do you drop Dawes for Hogan ? Garland has also been cleared to play, who makes way for him ? Maybe Riley. Matt jones kick 2 goals and did a good job Enright as a defensive forward.

Ins : Hogan, Garland

Out: Dawes/Spencer, Bail

Why is Garland a walk-up start? He's not a good lock down defender and he's not creative. I think for the first time all year, we had the right structure in the backline.

Ins: Hogan, JKH

Out: Dawes, Bail

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Cheezus I cannot believe this!

We won probably the most important game for many a year and people want to start getting CUTE!

Minimal changes

In: HOGAN ( IF FIT)

Out: probably BAIL or JONES ( Stiff)

The suggestion to drop DAWES is absurd!

The man adds structure to the side and provides leadership!

Toumpas, being subbed is of no consequence to me !He STAYS!

Riley, STAYS, because of GRUNT factor!

I DO LIKE A BIT OF grrrrruuuunt!

Keep changes to a Minimum

JKH and others et at to earn a game with good form at CASEY!

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Kennedy, Darling and resting ruckman to me dictates we need to bring in Fitz for the resting ruckman or Garland to play on Darling.

I cant possibly see how we wont play 2 true ruckman against West Coast. We cant play that tall forward so I need no choice but for Dawes to be dropped.

In: Hogan, Garland

Out: Dawes, Riley

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Why is Garland a walk-up start? He's not a good lock down defender and he's not creative. I think for the first time all year, we had the right structure in the backline.

Ins: Hogan, JKH

Out: Dawes, Bail

I think Garlands been in pretty good form this year... He is a good match up for Hill or Lecras.. Not sure what the match ups would be

McDonald - Kennedy

Dunn - Darling

Garland - Lecras

Jetta - Cripps

Ideally I think McDonald is better match on Darling as he gets up the ground a bit but think Kennedy might be a bit too tall for Dunn and before people point out Hawkins is taller then Kennedy and Dunn did a good job on him, Kennedy is a strong overhead mark whereas Hawkins is more body work

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Ins. Hogan, Garland

Outs. Spencer, Bail/M Jones/Riley

Will be interesting to see if West Coast play both NicNat and Sinclair.

Don't believe we will carry 2 rucks against the Eagles.

To each his own opinion: I believe that we can't afford NOT to have two rucks, especially as Dawes can't / won't ruck.

Hogan surely, if fit, must return. Dawes could be the unlucky one.

JKH offers lots of run: Bail may well be the unlucky one (or Matt Jones or Riley.)

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Don't understand why they never fixture this game before the bye so both teams have two weeks to recover from the hardest venue in football.

We have to play the following Saturday.

Ridiculous fixturing that hurts us as we play Essendope the following Saturday after returning from Darwin. Will need to manage the players well during that week but isnt it lovely so see Essendrug get help from the AFL and given an advantage against us.

Nevermind we will still smash them.

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I think Garlands been in pretty good form this year... He is a good match up for Hill or Lecras.. Not sure what the match ups would be

McDonald - Kennedy

Dunn - Darling

Garland - Lecras

Jetta - Cripps

Ideally I think McDonald is better match on Darling as he gets up the ground a bit but think Kennedy might be a bit too tall for Dunn and before people point out Hawkins is taller then Kennedy and Dunn did a good job on him, Kennedy is a strong overhead mark whereas Hawkins is more body work

So do we somehow need to fit Fitz in?

Nice dilemma for a change

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Ridiculous fixturing that hurts us as we play Essendope the following Saturday after returning from Darwin. Will need to manage the players well during that week but isnt it lovely so see Essendrug get help from the AFL and given an advantage against us.

Nevermind we will still smash them.

Good point.

Haven't we asked the AFL every year that we have had this Darwin arrangement, to fit it in immediately before our bye?

Can't be that difficult to arrange, were there the will on their part.

Stubborn or arrogant at AFL HQ?

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This will sound odd, but for me only change.

IN: Fitzpatrick

OUT: Riley

Fitz in to cover Sinclair in their forward 50. Riley to travel there with Kennedy-Harris as emergencies while Hogan and Garland can blow out some cobwebs at Casey.

FB: Fitzpatrick, Dunn, Jetta

HB: Cross, T. McDonald, Lumumba

C: Watts, N. Jones, Tyson

HF: M. Jones, Dawes, Bail

FF: Howe, Spencer, Garlett

FOLL: Gawn, Vince, Viney

INT: Brayshaw, Neal-Bullen, Toumpas

SUB: Stretch

My thought process here is that we always struggle the week after Darwin, so with holding off on bringing Hogan, Garland and Kennedy-Harris back for a week, it means we should have three fresh players to bring in the following week. Also rewards the 22 who played against Geelong with minimal changes.

As far as West Coast's dangerous forwards go:

McDonald covers Kennedy

Fitzpatrick to Sinclair

Dunn to Darling

Cross to LeCras &

Jetta on Hill.

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B: Lynden Dunn, Tom McDonald, Neville Jetta

HB: Daniel Cross, Jack Fitzpatrick, Heritier Lumumba
C: Jack Watts, Dom Tyson, Jack Viney
HF: Jesse Hogan, Chris Dawes, Jeremy Howe
F: Jeff Garlett, Jack Spencer, Angus Brayshaw
FOLL: Max Gawn, Nathan Jones, Bernie Vince
I/C: Jimmy Tompas, Jay Kennedy-Harris, Alex Neal-Bullen, Matt Jones

Take it down any side of the ground towards our half forward or wing and we have a player able to mark. Hogan is pretty good on the ground with decent speed and Dawes does do a lot of the crash and bash through the packs. Spencer and Gawn rotate through FF.

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I really liked Gawn and Spencer in the ruck. I hope we continue with the 2 ruckmen

That would mean someone like Dawes will be likely out if Hogan came back in. Will be interesting to see what the selectors do

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