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I think a little reminder is in order… Thank you, mods. Thank you for the many, many hours you put into this site whilst juggling full-time jobs, families and interests other than footy. Thank you for covering the costs of running the site that ads and subscriptions alone don't quite cover. Thank you for never taking a break: 365 days a year for two decades. Thank you for providing such an informative, interesting and fun space for Dees diehards to talk about the greatest football club in the world. To the folks who clearly need reminding that there’s certain things that can’t be discussed on DL… If that’s a problem for you, perhaps you can find *another footy forum, one wherein it’s open slather, and anything goes. What you SHOULDN’T do is create a new thread just to bemoan the censorship. Nor should you mock DL in snide remarks strewn about in other threads. Andy is the one who can and will be sued should something that “crosses the line” be published, even though it’s not him who said it. *good luck finding another footy forum that comes anywhere near the standard of this one. edit: I just saw the updated notice that appears above the topics list. Hopefully this time folks read it properly.

Unbelievable. The guy got us 2 facilities we sold for millions, I think in the order of $30m and personally threw in $2.7m of his own and you are having a go at him, for not begging the members for money, for a facility, that several previous and post MFC Boards have promised and to this point have failed to deliver. Wow!

Have I missed something. "He has been recruited by the Dockers. Good on him." doesn't seem dismissive. What do you expect? A binman style 3 part 20 page narrative on why OMac got picked up.

I think it's unfair for you to project avarice onto Ben Brown who is one of the most ethical and giving AFL footballers going around. If he thinks he can go on to to fulfil his contract and make a contribution then I'm inclined to trust him. What exactly should Tim Lamb have done differently? We secured Brown on a very reasonable contract and at a low trade price and he was instrumental in our 2021 flag win. I'm not sure how Lamb can force Brown to retire especially when we have to pay him under the 2024 cap anyway. We've got 4 remaining list spots and we've already made 3 changes. That's reasonable. We can take Kynan Brown if we rate him sufficiently - let's see what happens before "wetting your pants".

O Mac was actually a very good kick.

Keep up the great work @Demonland - hope this message is OK

Read every single word at the top of every page and respect this difficult decision. You aren’t the one with your ass on the line.

I don't think you can use that arithmetic methodology directly on this issue. Following that logic, it would be better to have O.Baker (4/10), S.Weideman (4/10), K.Turner (2/10), D.Smith (2/10) and F.Rosman (2/10) than C.Petracca (10/10). The point is that Petracca and Reid (allegedly) are in a whole higher echelon than all those other players.

Well done to him and complete respect for coming back and rehabbing a seriously horrific back injury. The need to cut down ex players is really sad. He has worked his behind off to get a third opportunity and I wish him all the absolute best, even if I despise Freo and want to see them fail.

Congrats to Libby Birch on 75 games! 🌈 And a happy Pride Round to all 🌈 Michael Voss Oval win-loss record: Brisbane 2-3; Melbourne 1-0 Melbourne's win-loss record against Brisbane: 6-2 (Melbourne last played Brisbane in the 2022B Grand Final, a 4-point win) Selected teams avg. games experience: Melb 46.4; Bris 43.3 2023 formline comparison: Brisbane 6 wins (2nd, 3rd, 6th, 8th, 14th and 17th); 3 losses (9th, 10th and 12th) Melbourne 8 wins (3rd, 7th, 10th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th and 18th); 1 loss (2nd) Both played Adelaide (Melb -10; Bris +3); North (Melb +23; Bris +2); Collingwood (Melb +42; Bris -5) and Hawthorn (Melb +59; Bris +27) If we take the field as selected, the following 14 players will have played all 10 H&A games in 2023: Bannan, Birch, Goldrick, Gillard, Hanks, Heath, Hore, B.Mackin, McNamara, Mithen, Purcell, Sherriff, West and Zanker. Ivey's first game of 2023 means we'll have played 28 total from our list of 31.

You think he acted alone without the Board. It was 90% actually, $2.7m of $3m, still the biggest single donation ever given to the club. What revenue streams back then, would have got us the $30m approx he left us, for Bentleigh and Oakleigh, plus his $2.7m. What have the last few Boards added to what he left us? He may not have been the President I personally wanted, but his contribution to the MFC was huge, in addition to helping save the club from a merger, which would have seen a different club today.

This thread is about Kynan Brown not Ben Brown.

Once everything is in the public domain, the dynamics change. I find it interesting there is no discussion allowed considering Goodwin and Pert were interviewed on Radio…

Wrong. He had already put up a couple of Million dollars to stop the club going broke. The club had no money and it was too much to expect him to stump up more. Without him the club would have folded.

Also don't forget our poor culture. It's why Clarry and Trac are top 5 for votes but no Brownlow to show for it. Poor poor culture.

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean no-one is out to get me.

Curious as to why OMc is being ridiculed here. Good luck big fella, hope you get to 100 games.

Most of you won't know that I produce the TikToks for the Demon Army. Most of you also won't know I'm on the committee for the Ruby Demons. Today I got to combine both those roles. Ruby Dees were invited by MFC to represent Dees fans at the AFLW Pride Round launch at IKON. All 10 Victorian clubs were represented, and I made a TikTok of the morning. Plus it also meant Katie, Nikki and I got to hang out with the always wonderful Blaithin Mackin, who is an absolute delight. Hope you enjoy!

I actually think her opponents give her a wider berth than most players for just that reason. One punch and you know you're going to be on your bum. Tayla plays incredibly hard but fair I reckon. She shows some pretty good discipline.

I am. I’m very wary of any player that can’t have an impact unless placed in a primary midfielder role. This is exactly why I’d choose Leake over Sanders - Leake has demonstrated an ability to have a critical impact wherever he has been positioned on the field. Just pure footy ability.

Adelaide are the club showing most interest to Darcy Wilson and could grab him at pick 10.

Love having Tayla back! As a small aside - she is obviously an accomplished boxer, I always worry she is going to do a Barry Hall the way she is treated by defenders. I do that for all those with hand to hand combat skills… my kids educator at daycare does MMA… I am so nice to her. I know it’s irrational but maybe stop hitting her in the back of the head every bloody time…

I would fully expect that we play Richmond on the Wednesday night for Anzac Eve and follow up with a Thursday night trip down to Geelong on the next day.

Let's also remember that Ben Brown is essentially another forward line coach, given his experience. His knowledge will be invaluable for guys like JVR and Petty.

Respect this position. Beware of the voices that urge you take on risk when those voices have no responsibility or accountability. The world is increasingly litigious and populated by folk who feel they should be compensated for some personal hurt or grievance. Similar to the health industry where everyday medical professionals have to deal with patient requests and demands that may be inappropriate. If the professional provides a service just to avoid a confrontation or to keep the patient happy then the professional takes the risk of being investigated by the relevant health body. A mistake or wrong action can risk a professional losing their registration and right to practice. Together with the risk of financial penalty. As you say apropos of Demonland, the editors [censored] is on the line. You owe posters nothing..

I can appreciate how difficult and time consuming it must be to filter problematic content. Having said that, the blanket censorship and removal of posts that has occurred recently stymied Demonland members’ need to talk through what was happening. I found myself turning back to SEN and CH7 (media outlets I had removed from my listening habits) to keep up with developments. I’ll be honest, I felt Demonland had let us down in our hour of need. As superficial as that reaction may have been, it was ‘real’ at the time. Demonland is our first port of call in a crisis. It has a cathartic effect, to share impressions with fellow Demon supporters and seek a balanced view; something the wider media is unlikely to provide. For a period, Demonland became irrelevant! Contribution numbers fell away significantly. There must be some ‘middle ground’ that can be achieved in times like this.

It was probably easier for aspiring footballers who lived outside of the most locked down city in the world in the years leading up to the draft

on the thursday night after queens birthday

ah ive just figured out what this round 0 and then a bye in round 5 is about. its for anzac day which is a thursday next year. very difficult to play on the weekend before or the weekend afterwards. so the 4 teams going north for round zero will be us, pies, bombers and richmond.

More info from the article linked:

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not under tim lamb

Only 5 more votes than Trac, yet Neale has won 2 medals in that time. I’d say the 169 votes combined for Trac and Clarrie has something to do with Trac not snagging a medal. The consistency from our two the last four seasons has been nothing short of remarkable.

Can help us fund the new home base?

Does my head in. Especially when it’s a player who has moved on but who never screwed us over. The default should really be to wish him well.

I will place my trust in JT. He has the skill to see past who will become an AFL player, particularly with pick 6 and 11. If it’s Sanders I’ll trust he is the man. As long as he is given the free rein to pick best available.

Jordan Ivey’s in this week! Yay! A little earlier than she expected but so happy for her ❤️💙

I know this is the Leake thread, but I’ll add - my fear with Sanders is that he’s like McLean, or Dom Tyson, or Darcy Parish, or any number of others... players that if they’re not in the midfield, they don’t have the tools to fit anywhere else. And if he’s with us, he ain’t unseating Viney, Oliver or Petracca.

I’m on Leake for 6. Finally figured out who Sanders reminds me of. Sorry Colonel, probably a bit unfair but it’s another chicken-related moniker - Brock McLean.

Please re-read the top of the page. It has been updated today. If you want Demonland to be around to discuss our 14th flag you’ll respect this difficult decision. There are serious issues that warrant discussion and I wish I could provide a place where they can be discussed without getting into areas that can land me in trouble. There are plenty of places on the internet to discuss these topics on social media which have deeper pockets then me and are seemingly immune to any fallout I can’t afford to test the limits and our moderators are volunteers that can’t catch everything. Don’t think that by shaming me by saying Demonland is/was irrelevant will change my mind when you have no skin in the game.

Up there with death and taxes.

Absolutely correct. Imagine if we had put $10 a year on top of Membership to be directed toward a facility that @old dee and I have been hearing promised for the past 30 years! At least we would be part of the way there, instead of walking around with a begging bowl. Hawthorns new facility is projected to be $120M, and the government has committed to a percentage, but the rest is coming from their own coffers, that they built. Our coffers amount to the sale of 2 facilities that Joe bought for us all those years ago. And at the last AGM we were told those funds would not be used for facilities....!!

Going out on a limb here but I think we will probably play at Kardinia or whatever it's called.

@Bring-Back-Powell I was incorrect, we cannot sign him as a DFA but all other clubs can do so and put him onto their senior list. Dee Spencer is correct he needs to go into the Rookie Draft so technically clubs below us can draft him.

Fixture due out Thu Nov 16 at this stage. We're still expected to play Sydney in Sydney for round "zero".

Unclear whether the above makes West Coast more likely to accept our offer, but suggests at the very least North would be unwilling to offer anything further (which I personally agree with from their list build perspective)

He has been recruited by the Dockers.Good on him.

I think the way it works is he is now a Delsited Free Agent' and doesn't need to nominate for the rookie draft. We sign him as a DFA Any club can sign him as a DFA; just as North swooped on Greenwood a few years ago when GCS delisted him to then rookie him. Caught GCS unawares. I very much doubt Melksham would want to join another club.

I never said it was ideal, I don't like it. Perhaps Brown doesn't move to us if we don't offer the length of contract we did, perhaps if Tmac doesn't extend we can't afford to sign Trac or Clarrie to long term contracts. Perhaps this is the unfortunate results of other decisions that have benefited greatly, like flags, like having our elite players on long term contracts. All I'm saying is there is more to it than just "he won't play a part next year let's try and get rid of him somehow" and we don't know what the "more" is. And I agree that the Schache decision is odd, I wouldn't have done it. As for Grundy I think most recognize that it was something that we tried and it didn't work. Grundy wanted out, we didn't push him and for getting him where he wanted to go for what I and others think was well "unders" is a good thing for culture and that would be recognized by the players.

Worked really hard, made vfl team of the year at FB, earned another chance. Was already discussed mid season, with teams interested, so not a surprise. Good luck to him.