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I've been told that Petty has said no and I'm standing by that.

I have a feeling pick 11 is not here for a long time, she's here for a good time...

That seems a lot to pay to move up 3 places.

100% this. You don't play footy with picks, you play it with players. Whilst it's tough to think about during trade week, each draft pick is a player and some are worth more than others. If we think that the first 3 players will be Hodge, Ball and Judd, whilst the next 3 are Polak, X Clarke and Sampi, then you'd be tempted to trade picks 4 and 5 for pick 3. It just depends how we rate the players and where we think those big drop offs occur.

Oooh, hard ball over McAdam. I bet the lambster is trembling in his boots

Tim Lamb has the runs on the board - I think I will go with his strategy rather than posters' reactive ruminations.

Chill, Winston. Tim Lamb knows what he is doing.

They lost me at 'Petty has struggled to cement his spot in Melbourne's team early in his career as a key defender'. Is this the same Harry Petty that won a premiership at 21 as a key defender or is there a different Harry Petty?

I’d like to see us wheel Gawn out in a moon boot in the next few days, just to put doubt in Sydney’s mind - that we might need I keep Grundy.

If Essendon pay McKay $800 the Petty should be on $1.6M

Good idea Jimmy, we could trade away Trac as well for NM picks to really reset ourselves with a bunch of kids who may or may not succeed. Im being facetious of course but in my view you don’t trade away really good players to punt on draft kids. That doesn’t improve you. IMO Petty is untradable this year unless there is some really pressing family reason for him to go interstate.

Pick 46 is an insult given they also hold #33 (or whatever it is after compensation picks). Not that I think #33 is fair. We gave #27 last year and he hadn't played senior football for months partly due to injury and partly due to Collingwood not selecting him in the last 6 weeks of 2022. Grundy is now injury free and has played the whole VFL/AFL season showing he has fully recovered. We took a risk re his injury last year; there is no risk for Sydney.

I heard from a reliable source that Petty still has a valid library card in Adelaide. He's going.

Living in a city where he went to boarding school is a draw? Because he has such fond memories of being hazed by wealthy country boys?

Did you really just compare 26 year old Frawley for pick 3 when we’re on the bottom of the ladder with 23 year old Petty for pick 10ish (if available) in our window? That’s nonsensical. JT has a great record. He’s not perfect. Weideman, Laurie, probably Jefferson. I have no issue with going backwards to go forwards. I have an issue with going backwards when you’re really close to winning it all to go forwards in a few years time when the elite core we’ve got now is either done or pushing 30. You’re pushing for change for changes sake. There’s no logic in that. If you think Petty for pick 10 is an amazing deal that won’t be there in 12-24 months and Nate Caddy or whoever JT gets is the answer then I’ll hear it. But given talls are hit or miss and generally take 3-4 years to impact if you’re lucky that’s a huge risk. As I said, I’d be much more willing to listen to a midfielder out to freshen the midfield mix given our oversupply of one type and likelihood of finding reinforcements.

Trading out our midfield over supply with Oliver is a rejig. Or Salem. Or Gus. (Or Grundy, JJ and Harmes for that matter) I don’t see how removing a 23 year old swing-man really rejigs things when we are crying out for prime age talls and no chance of adding a good one this year and no guarantee of adding a good one in future years. Plus we’re already looking at 2 first round picks and a chance to add a 3rd as is. In 2 years time when there’s no (or practically no) May and Gawn we’ll have Lever and JVR and what? An extra pick 10 and 20 when we already had 6 and 14? Rejig is not justification for this. The only justification is a belief this is Petty’s maximum value and absolute belief we’ve got a prime aged key tall on the hook next year. And even that’s flimsy because you’re looking at increasing the talent of a team led by mystery tall X, Rivers, Sparrow, Pickett, JVR and pick 7. Rather than trying to win now with Petracca, Oliver, Gawn, Viney, May etc.

Pretty is a 197cm premiership player at 23 years of age and could possibly turn into a forward. Why on earth do people want to let him go for pick 10 + maybe something in the 20's? Madness.

We either did this to get into another trade convo or for a specific player and I love when Taylor trades up for a specific player. We don’t need ND27, we need talent. And don’t get me started on points…

Any chance we can leave this thread for rumours?

I reckon your good for the forum Jimmy as you come from left field as does DeeSpencer. I don't agree with you on this because I think Petty is a very important structural part of our team and that part is very hard to replace. Not only that but we are short of that structural part. I'm in agreement with you that we don't need to throw the house at getting a KPF but only if we've got Petty on the list. I can't see us improving much in the next two years without Petty or a good immediate replacement who would probably cost the same - if they were available - but they're not. You say you want sustained long term success and in my view this is what we've had over 3 years. Never out of the top 4 in those three years and we've won a flag. We don't need to gamble the house by trading Petty. We've already got two picks in the top 20 and that will add spice to what we've got. In my view you're way off the mark in wanting to trade Petty. You'd have a much stronger argument if it was an area we had an abundance in.

Petty is one of the few players on our list that can take a contested pack mark up forward. With our "long bomb" game plan, Petty is essentially untradeable, unless the Crows send Fogarty or Thilthorpe our way, along with pick 10.

This is reminiscent of our moves in the 2015 Trade period to secure Oliver and Weideman. Club copped a lot of criticism before all the pieces fell into place.

If that’s what you think then that is your right. I think we tried to make it work and in the end it was Grundy who cracked it and gave up. 3 clubs in 3 years. Ask yourself who the common denominator is.

This is like bingeing a series on tele. Completely unproductive for work and ultimately pointless but…

We've been here before. Let's see what the result is.

Yep agree. AFL had the opportunity to make a stand and they squibbed it. Unforgivable. We will remember this cowardice for a long time. And the repercussions for Angus may well last a lifetime.

No, Petty was on our list for the season. And with Petty we may have well won a GF so why trade a player who is so structurally important. I'm fine trading Petty if there is an outcome that replaces him and puts us in a better position but to be taken seriously I've got to see the better position.

I doubt the veracity of this, but have been told we might make a move for GWS first pick & Nick Heyne’s salary, then Petty to move for one of Adelaide’s key forwards (Fogarty/Thilthorpe) plus McAdam. Would give us more ammo for pick 1, or a suite of early picks if not. The other positive being that Heyne could temporarily fill a Petty-sized hole in our defense.

DO NOT TRADE PETTY.

If Petty wants to go back to SA, understand talk of a trade, otherwise he is irreplaceable in my opinion. And I’m not talking about a potential forward, my view is he takes the main key defender post for the next 8 years

Harmes is reported to be on 550k for his final year. The Key fowards will come off our list next year. Conservative guess that clears 500-600k for the both of them. All the players you named for contract bumps have already got contracts beyond 2025+ and won't need a boost until then. Salary cap has also increased from the latest EBA. So right now I would put this years savings approx $1mil, 5-600k next year, in the background is an increased salary cap. The main ooc playes next year are Langdon, Sparrow, Bowey and they won't break the bank. We should have good money to make a significant play next year in my view.

If we think Petty was the player who might have made the difference in two tight finals for next year at least he is untradeable

If Petty wants to go home then he’s essentially saying he wants to go back to live in a country town and not play AFL. His “home” is not Adelaide. It’s not even near Adelaide. The lure might be his Adelaide based girlfriend, but at 23 that relationship may not last. Or his girlfriend might relocate to Melbourne. 2 years is a long time when you are 23 years old. I’m not letting him go unless he’s categorically unwilling to stay or his foot is busted. We can always trade him next year while he’s contracted after he won us a flag kicking 50 goals 😀

Btw, Nudge did say on 22/9/23 we were out of the race for 4, a couple of weeks before it came true and Dogs got it. So well done Nudge.

I think we kind of knew that though, the reality was to sign anyone close to A grade we would need someone contracted to decide they wanted out, and the club to be willing to do the trade. I do think we're building up a war chest of cap space for next year however and that's when we will be looking to make a splash

I'd like to see us play hard ball, set a price and just refuse to sign off on any other deal. Grundy and 27 for pick 11 or no deal,

Article in the Age confirms the offer was 46 + 54. Probably trying to soften us up for pick 33, but we're holding out for 25. Wonder if the future pick they'll get for Stephens from Roos will play a role in the Adams/Grundy Swans stand off. They also say: "Melbourne are closing in on securing a second top draft pick to potentially make a plunge for one of the most sought after players at the top of the draft. Melbourne have tempted Gold Coast with pick 14 and second round draft picks in exchange for pick 11. Two industry sources said Melbourne were eager to get pick 11 to bracket with their existing first pick now at six (tied to Fremantle’s finish) to make a play for one of top few draft picks." https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/kangaroos-land-high-draft-pick-for-ben-mckay-won-t-off-load-it-for-no-1-selection-20231010-p5eb80.html

When I finished laughing at that offer, I realised they're no doubt running the same game with Collingwood for Adams and will attempt to get us to fight over their second-rounder. I'd back the Swans needing Grundy more than Adams.

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How are you going to structure the forward line without Petty? We'll get McAdam anyway so he's not part of the Petty deal really so it's 10 and 20 for Petty. What is the likelihood that we'll get a player who is structurally significant as Petty with one of those picks and how long will they take to mature into someone meaningful? Petty is a pretty valuable player. He can play both back and forward and he's very competent now but is not at his peak being only 23. I'd guess if you put him on the open market he'd attract something higher than 10, in fact I reckon NM may use pick 3 on him and one of their future end of first rounders. I'm just not sure you're thinking it through but I do agree that we need to be nimble in our thinking and I think we've got a history of doing that.

On the assumption we're chips in on next year's flag rather than taking a potential step back: Petty should only be traded if Harry McKay or an equivalent proven key forward is coming through the doors. And even McKay won't solve our atrocious conversion for goal under pressure (although he once kicked 58.33 in a season) I cannot fathom how the list management and coaching team will be confident of winning next year's flag with T Mac, BBB and JVR as our 3 best key forwards, while losing Petty and not recruiting another established KPF. The fact that they (probably) called T Hawkins shows you how the club feels about their tall forward depth chart, and how life would look like without Petty. Unless we get a proven 35-40 goal a year tall forward which is what Petty is highly likely to kick next year off a 20+ game season, then we'll hold Petty to his contract.

I think we need Petty next year whether he plays forward or back - he’s too good to be letting go now. We can’t afford to lose another key player like that in particular. If we are still challenging for premierships, it’s too early to let him go and upset the apple cart that much.

We’re about $1.5M per year in the black after Grundy, Harmes, Jordon, Hibberd and Dunstan. Surely we can find whatever cash we need.

It's not winning the tap...it's winning the clearance.. can we as a club please get around this concept....