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What I know from some what I consider good reliable sources Meth Coast have always had an eye on Hogan but this current move may have forced their hand a year early Fremantle as is well known have constantly been monitoring Hogan Dees have planned well as I said earlier in the thread the club has been in constant dialogue with Jesse over the season assessing his plans post 2019 as list managers prepare moving forward Tom Lynch was considered as part of a plan but we were ruled out early as the Hogan talks continued We were Gaffs club of choice but not prepared to pay what he (his manager)was asking. Has that changed after he saw how close he was last week and realised what it actually means to win one, I have no idea Hogans trip to Perth this week is nothing suspicious it was long planned he and mates are heading to Europe and may include Oktoberfest Suns want May out if he is not prepared to commit beyond next season. As they move to restart their culture and despite the bravado will take the best offer available (within reason)

The heat on Freo just went up on Freo: "WEST Coast coach Adam Simpson hasn't ruled out pursuing Jesse Hogan, declaring the Eagles are "all ears" if the star Melbourne forward...want to come home". http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-04/eagles-all-ears-if-hogan-kelly-want-wa-return Eagles don't have the sal cap or the trade currency to better a Freo deal but it certainly puts the pressure on Freo to get a deal done. Very clever by WCE it forces Freo to pay the max which weakens their position on other list management decisions and in a two horse town it by default strengthens WCE's position. Its a mini version of Packer forcing Ch7 to pay max price for AFL TV rights! Thank you, Eagles ?

Not a particularly memorable stat... I honestly can’t remember the last time Oliver or Brayshaw did either. I can remember when he kicked 47 goals from 20 matches, won 36 free kicks whilst giving away only 16, pulled in 125 marks and 365 disposals all while averaging over 2 tackles a game as a key position forward.

...Is it just me, or does this scenario seem perfectly set up for: [Jesse Hogan is about to sign at the Dockers, he looks up, and a montage plays in his mind] [Jesse smiles as he reminisces about the good times at the Dees] [Jesse looks to the East...] [Cue music, maybe some cliché 80s love song, or Al Green 'Let's Stay Together', for example] [Jesse gets in his car, and drives cross country through the night, top down, hand tapping on the door] [He arrives in Melbourne, parks the car hurriedly across a few parking spaces, runs across Gosch's Paddock] [Jesse runs towards Goody and the boys, who are also running towards him] [Group hug, tears etc. Goody tells Jesse he never doubted him for a second] [Jesse re-signs for a bajillion years] [We win 5 flags] [Fin]

Correct and well said but you shouldn't need to do it. I have already posted this in the thread and it's far from the first time. It is hard to understand why @Dr.D continues to post wrong information about historical trades and then makes incorrect assumptions based on these errors. The real information is easy to find on the internet. Mahoney and ream have done a tremendous list management job recently, not least creatively trading up for Oliver and Weed. We had @goodwindees telling us we should be "harder" and more like Essendon. When I challenged him to provide a list of Dodoro's trading coups all I got was crickets. There's an agenda of unjustified outrage among some posters who use misinformation and ignorance as fuel.

But if Lever did not get injured we most likely take Collingwoods spot last week and be singing Mahoneys praises. Lever was the right player to trade for at the time.

Why you and others don't have faith in Mahoney, Taylor, Viney, and co. is beyond me.

Thank you for a very good stint at the MFC and the big league Cam. Gave your all and rarely let the club and your team mates down. All class and made the most of your talents. Wishing you a great future post AFL and congrats on receiving your masters at tonight's graduation ceremony in Geelong...

We have the whip hand and really should drive a hard bargain on Hogan. We're in the premiership window and if don't get what we need we keep him. Pick 5 and a future first would also be reasonable.

Never easy fearing an absolute gun forward leaving the club while contracted, especially that the premiership window seems to be opened wide. But the footage is the sealer - we plan for a post-Hogan tilt at the flag. Sorry to see him go. Loved his footy, but his personal griefs might be weighing a bit too heavy. I for one am proud that our club is treating him as a human being before treating him like a product.

It's not possible for us to know PD. I think that Langdon might be in the picture. I'm not convinced this is all Hogan driven so we might be more accommodating than people think. But I don't think we'll trade him unless we get our outcome. I mean really we're just having a bit of fun here. We've got no idea. What I love is we are aggressively trying to improve our list.

Will he tour the Eagles facilities tomorrow? I hope so.

I actually disagree. We can cover the front yard. The engine rooms getting an upgrade. We need our backyard in order. It isn't yet. We got screwed in the prelim,not because we couldn't kick goals , so much as we couldn't stop them from doing so. Hogan isnt that difference in our game. I obviously have a very different take on things than most. That's fine by me.

If it’s take pick 75 or Kent goes to the draft; I take 75. Both options amount to nothing, however one tells the footy world we’re big tough chest thumpers at the trade table, the other says we do the right thing by our players. I understand why people want us not to be seen as pushovers, but I think it’s misguided. I think not delivering the trade does us more reputational harm than any good it does. If St Kilda lowball us, they have identified themselves as poor traders and this will harm their future business. The clubs all have rivals they like dealing with and clubs they avoid. I know which club I want to be. It all comes down to Kent’s attitude about it. As @Fifty-5 said, if he gets in cahoots with St Kilda and says he’ll walk, we’re stuffed and he can have fun getting booed every time he play us. If he insists they deal fairly, we regain some power and we negotiate a fair outcome. There’s no point trying to throw our weight around if he throws us under the bus though.

Weak troll. It might seem like a cute joke but the ignorant here will believe this and run with it. You should know better.

Rare footage of the 1964 Grand Final Banners.

Think it will be the following Freo receive pick 4 for Neale trade 4 to port for 9 and 10 Give MELBOURNE pick 5 and 10 for hogan ( this gives us the two top ten picks but not 4 and 5 thus freo take one top ten to the draft) MELBOURNE give 5 (hopefully 10) for May (might be 10 for May or 5 for May and kk) MELBOURNE go to draft with either 5 or 10

Reality is that Freo need Hogan now, delay, and the Eagles loom as viable alternative. And Freo need this deal more than MFC, we’re now top 4 irrespective and perhaps capable of acquiring May even with Hogan on the books. Freo’s Picks 5&6 gets it done, any less and we wait. Commentariat proposing less are afraid of how strong we’ve become, and how we only become stronger with two top ten picks to “rebalance” our list.

We're getting some fairly bogan names - Travis, Brayden.... doesn't suit the image...or perhaps we're changing the image

Microcosm of society.

Club has pushed him out the door, ridiculous 30 metre wind up kicks for goals struggling to make the distance, poor body language, injury prone, leadership issues, like the share market, sell at a high, it’s over, we want you to stay bro but you know, do what’s best for you, like leave.

Thanks - possibly a bit more relevant

Is it just me or does Tim Gossage need punch to the nose?

ASH!!! You’re back! Welcome back.

Sounds like the trade deal is agreed. Good to get one done early and concentrate on bigger ones.

He's a troll, haven't you worked that out yet.

In my mind the loss of Hogan would cut any realistic chance of a Premiership in 2019. Please stay Jesse.

We've thought that in the past when Hogan went down and we handled it fine. You can't cover everything. What happens if Jack Riewoldt goes down? Tom Hawkins? Buddy? I'd wager those clubs don't have a suitable back up either, but then these are gun forwards we're talking about. They don't grow on trees. You can't have more of them just waiting in the wings when an injury comes along.

7 gone off main list and a rookie, with 4 possibles we know of, Kent, Tyson, AVB and JH. That is 11 off the main list if they all go. If May and KK come in we need 9 more players. We will not draft 9, so that tells me we have our eyes on a couple more players at least.

He would need to perform against top 8 sides to kick that many...

I know you don’t. I don’t want to see JH kick 70 - 80 goals for Freo the way Kennedy does for Meth Coke. Carlscum lost out on that trade badly.

I'd be happy with Freos pick 5 or 6 plus next years first rounder, fair for both parties, we get what we want and Freo get an early pick in the draft plus Hogan. Swap of picks or Langdon and we walk away happy.

if we get May it will be a case of where will Oscar and Frost fit.

the appropriate word would be "unlikely" rather than "realistically"

He's had a good season Rusty absolutely, plenty want to throw enough darts and occasionally hit the board with one and didn't they come out to gloat after the Prelim. His experience was so important in big games and assissted the development of our group. Having said that I expect him to be part of the list next season just like Lockyer, O'Bree and other elder statesmen were as the Pies started season 2010. If the list develops and evolves as it should I would expect by late in the season Jordy and the FD will not need to make the call as the form and maturity of the playing group will dictate the outcome

Don't rule the Eagles out of this. Have heard a strong message they are very keen to find a way to do this.

It also means that Freo will now have to do a deal this year as next year is the unknown and they won't hold better cards than they do now, it's a good situation for us right now thanks to Eagles interest.

And why not? That’s the exact number of games Cyril’s played these last 2 years.... ?

As an aside we went thru this little dance with Jesse with his last contract extension. It was announced on Oct 4 2016, a few days before the trade period started. I recall learned chat here on DL that he had been given an ultimatum: extend the contract now or we will trade you. The timing of that contract supports that chat. I suspect the same thing is happening now, except maybe a tougher stance on extension terms. Can't imagine the club wanting this little dance to happen every two years. For the club, for the team, for Jesse he needs to commit for the long haul or he goes. I really don't think there is a satisfactory middle road here.

In addition to Lever we got back pick 35 (Harrison Petty) and our fourth round this year is upgraded to a third rounder, that significantly increases the chances of picking up an AFL grade player, or could be on traded this year. We got a bona-fide, known quantity star key defender, and a developing key defender out of those draft picks. It really surprises me that when people are asked which is worth more out of a $1m house or a Tattslotto ticket, people would choose the Tatts.

Freo to GC on MAV Weller “you want him, you pay our asking price” Melb to Freo on the Hulk ““you want him, you pay our asking price” Karmas a biatch

Sorry, this talk of him being totally finished is such utter rubbish. Yeah he was bloody ordanary in the prelim, but so was half the side. Lewis was a stand out performer in the Rd 22 game against West Coast and also the Crows game at the Adelaide oval, for just two clutch games that I can think of. And how many of the younger guys say how invaluable his finals experience was for the Elimination and Semi finals. It's true, as Bernie somewhat showed this year, that we don't know when his body and mind will fall completely off a cliff, but even if we only get the equivalent of half a season out of him, he'll provide a much better return and investment than anything we would likely replace him with on the list, given we have already have 7 delisted/retired players.

Simmo just went BANG!

He finished 6th on votes per game (not including Viney who only played 10). It is also worth noting that it appears the coaches have given higher average votes towards the end part of the season (presumably the two finals and the WC and GWS games) compared to the early rounds. Ie many of the top 10 finishers had higher vpg for the last 10 rounds compared to the first 8 rounds. So had he played those last games he may have polled higher. He was on track for 3rd up until round 15ish.

I’ve been called a lot of things in my life but a premature lachrymator is below the belt.

Totally shiit attitude. Hysterical premature lachrymation. #ETjellyfish

A top 5 pick I'd give a 1 in 4 chance of being a star, 4 in 5 chance of being a quality player. There are a hell of a lot of top 10 picks who are just good players, nothing too special. Hogan is a star - for a 23 year old. Will be unstoppable when he's 25-28. Unstoppable! Hogan in 3 years time... stop and consider this for a moment. He is a generational player, a young guy who's had a heap of off field stuff to deal with - and yet - what a contribution. Think I would prefer to keep him. Feel pretty confident the FD know his value.

This deal could unlock a way to really help us get May Swans want Nick Blakey, their academy player who's currently ranked a top 10 prospect. Sydney's current pick, 12 (soon to be 13 after Lynch compo) Pick 12 is worth 1,268 points We have picks 33, 43, 51 and will get pick 57 from St Kilda for Kent pick 33 (563 points) + pick 43 (378) + pick 51 (259) + pick 57 (182) = 1,382 points Swans get Vanders as well as a pick trade and we get a top end 1st round pick to take to the draft or assist with other deals (e.g May) WIN - WIN