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I'm down from Mildura for the weekend and watched my first ever training and took a couple random notes on the phone. First thing I noticed was how windy it was, much like a vfl game on how bloody cold it was. Don't know how you all handle it. I hovered around the Hoddle St side to firstly see three supporters there in shorts and was instantly thrown more importantly I saw Crossy (in magic shape) leading Jeffy and Hibb with some decent running around the park while Lewis, King ( I think as he was a tall fella I haven't seen) Viney, Kent, Nev, Tmac, Trenners, Pedo, AVB and JKH were completing some agility, 100m run throughs and sharp skills. They then did some sharp lane work which showcased the kicking of Kent and Lewis especially. Tmac kept flying at the at the ball with one arm to which I instantly got a sense of "hollywood" about him which disappointed me. When he came up close I noticed the huge scar on his shoulder which explained these one armed efforts.... Sorry Tmac. Other things randomly I noticed from the recovery group: Pedo was back and waddling away, he will surely blow out post football. He has fantastic hands out in front Lewis has a simple and beautiful kicking style. Clarry / Lewis / AVB are huge midfielders. Clarry is also a wonderful kick Trenners is moving freely. A few of these boys split into groups of three with some triangle kicking. Trenners, a Jeffy and Kent in one group. Kicking was perfect here except for two Kent tried on his right... Filth. Was surprised by how big Trenners leap was. The other group was AVB, Jordy, and Clarry. I'd like to see Clarry kick the pill a lot more this year as it's wonderful. Gee AVB is a massive unit. I understand his role more seeing him in the flesh as he really does demand a tallish defender to watch him. The rehab group then went into some running while I strolled over to watch the real stuff on the wing. While watching this there was a lot of run throughs by the rehabbers. AVB completes at least a dozen it seems 400m runs and looks redder than Clarry with each one he does. Lewis, Clarry and Pedo complete about a dozen timed 200m sprints in front of me. Pedo is running swinging his head in a massive display of being completely rooted. Viney and Kent are doing similar together with Jack out pacing Kent but he does his best to catch him. If you didn't know these boys and saw them out you would think they are the cliche case of having short man syndrome as they are both absolute tanks. Watching the main stuff and it's a lot of full ground stuff at good intensity. Right in front of me, Hunt sprints 40m to make a superman spoil in front of Hoges, gets up, out sprints him to the ball then clears it straight to an opponent... So nearly perfect. He then shanks his next kick. If I was to leave now you could say he doesn't have the skill so I keep an eye on him, his next 7 or 8 are perfect. Garland reminds me of Watts the way he moves, so laconic. He's missed a simple handball that would have cost a goal at one stage but other than that he looked ok. McCartneys in front of me staring at me.... I look away. He then yells at someone, "stop watching the effing play and move" and "dont be dictated to son" not sure who it's aimed at. I go to get a photo but I sense him looking and decide against it. Tyson has had a few raking long kicks that were magic. Other good kickers as we know we're of course Chunk (beautiful spin, flat and firm), Watts of course and ANB skills looked nice. One who surprised me moving well was Salem. I have never been a huge fan but he stood out to me today. Wishing him well. Watts is always smiling. Frosty has ran the ball out from defence a couple times, hits a target but they are a bit floaty. He's an incredible athlete with his pace, strength and agility. Surprised me how big a lot of the boys are as I haven't been up close before. Clearly the Woolies have more steroids in there chickens down here. Hey there's Saty, nice hat mate oh and the Suns out.... And it's gone. One play see Max kicking over Watts head running to goal, it's about to run through next to the post where Watts stops it, runs behind the post back into play and soccer kicks it off his heal through while a defender was chasing him. I'm in awe. I'd almost cheer if Macca was around somewhere close. A one on one contest where Wags and Jesse wrestle. Jesse takes and gets a whack from Wags on the chin as he tries to spoil. Jesse not happy but gets the free and kicks the goal. Trac then gives Wag a friendly bump and laughter starts. Good banter. Training ends (for me, it's to cold) watching the group in the centre square and a one on one contest. A player is nominated by the coaches. This player then picks a team mate to have a marking contest while someone kicks for chf 40m away. Chunk is up first who picks Brayshaw, everyone roars. Two nil all draws then one drops short and Gus plucks the grab. You'd think we'd just one a flag they went off, was great. next was Weed who selects OMac in a battle of the baby giraffes. It was a nice friendly contest ending in nil all from 3. Each time Weed got into good position and looked like marking but couldn't. Omac didn't want to mark, only spoil. Then Salem was picked and chose Trac. It was nil all until Salem took a one handed screamer while being held. Everyone lost it again. Finally Jesse was up and looked at Gawn, smiled at Gawn, then chose Frost. Talk about a battle of the heavy weights. You could here the slap of the bodies from the wing as these two lions went at it. I think they clunked one each. Good stuff. Better shoot off into town as was meant to be here looking at wedding bands, not watching footy. Miss Deeko will be a bit grumpy if she finds out. cheers

Righto, I'll bite. I dropped into training for an hour or so this morning. I didn't take any notes so I'm just going by memory. - The rehab group consisted of Oliver, McDonald Snr, Trengove, Kent, JKH, King and some bloke name Jordan Lewis. - Garlett was present and ran laps with Hibberd, the latter looking extremely knackered after he finished his set. Meanwhile, Daniel Cross still looks in ripping shape. He ran the same amount of laps and barely looked fazed afterwards. - The main group warmed up with some general stretches and running exercises. Nothing too special. - Too my surprise, the soccer balls came out and the boys divided up into groups of five or six where they would try keep the ball in the air for as long as they could without using their hands. The group closest to me which consisted of the Skipper, Gus, ANB, Petracca and Hogan completed a nice set of 30 or so passes using only their heads. - Next, the boys split into groups of two and the staff brought out a set of harnesses which would be put on a player who would walk forward while the other team member attempted to pull him back. Interesting little exercise that I haven't seen before yet at a Melbourne training session. - A few kicking drills followed where coaches would attempt to put pressure on the player kicking. - Noticed a lot of match simulation drills involving the boys splitting up into two seperate groups. Bit like a game of keepings off. Had too leave around this time so I didnt see too much. A few other bits and pieces - Oscar McDonald looks more filled out, but he had a couple of shockers in regards to disposal. - It's a cliche, but plenty of players look in ripping shape at the moment. Stretch, Smith, Salem (looks incredible given the last six months), Hunt and ANB are all players who looked to have bulked up a bit. - Petracca is so clean. He just doesn't make mistakes. - Lewis is a beautiful kick. He had a kick to kick with TMac, JKH and Pedders and he didn't miss one target. Apologies for not taking any notes. Expect a more detailed training report next time I attend a session.

AFL Draft Day 2016 is here and in a way I don't mind that the Demons have been relegated to bit players in today's proceedings. In the first instance, this year's draft is highly compromised by virtue of some poor decisions made by the AFL which strike at the very heart of the integrity of the competition. In that respect, if there is a time to be far away from the draft action, this is it. The first player whose name is called out tonight will be an Essendon player because the Bombers finished last in 2016. This is despite the fact that ten of their best and most experienced players sat out the season as a consequence of the findings in January by the Court of Arbitration in Sport that they along with many of their then teammates had violated anti-doping rules. The ink on the court ruling had barely dried when the AFL decided that Essendon would receive no sanction as a result of its role in those violations (other than the previous penalties for poor governance). The fact that the club's performance in 2016 would not truly reflect on the quality of its list was deemed irrelevant - hence a McCluggage or a McGrath will most likely become a Bomber this evening. The league's weakest club Brisbane won't even have second pick this evening. That will go to its love child GWS Giants which will be the power club of this draft. The Giants did a trade to get into this position so that it could chose a player before its academy bidding selections come into operation which is a solid move because they have a big crop of academy players at their disposal this year. The academy concept was brought in to give the northern states first access to talent in developing regions outside the game's traditional recruiting areas. The clubs in question were to be rewarded for nurturing such talent. The problem with this is that for some reason the Giants have been given the Riverina district as part of their academy region. This is an area that one could hardly describe as "developing" in AFL terms given that the game has been long established there and has produced plenty of champions. Wayne Carey, the Danihers, Paul Kelly anyone? What is even less understandable is the concept of the amount of "development" these clubs are supposed to put into players. The first academy member expected to be chosen tonight by the Giants is Will Setterfield, a star midfielder from Albury who relocated to Melbourne as a 15-year-old, attends Caulfield Grammar and played for the Sandringham Dragons this year. That's a long way from Western Sydney in my book. The Giants will most likely get Setterfield by using bidding points associated with their pick number 15 but should they even be going into the draft with that selection? When Lachie Whitfield and two former GWS officials accepted penalties in a deal with the AFL for their part in the scandal involving the hiding of the Giants’ youngster from possible drug testing, scandal (more than a year and a half after the event), it was thought the club would be sanctioned by losing a first and second round draft pick. GWS balked at that and have now been charged with conduct unbecoming over the role in the affair. What this has done in all likelihood is delayed the inevitable but given the fact that next year’s GWS academy crop is not likely to be as strong or as deep as this year’s, the club will have derived enormous benefit from its own stalling and from the snail’s pace the AFL adopted in this matter. If only, the AFL were as quick to decide on Whitfield as they were with the Essendon decision on the draft. Then there’s selection 19 which was recently gifted by the AFL to Brisbane as an end of first round priority pick on account of the Lions’ poor list – a decision that flew in the face of previous decisions made by the AFL on draft assistance applied for by other clubs, particularly Melbourne which had a far worse record than Brisbane when it made its plea for help a couple of years ago. The Lions traded the pick which is now in the hands of Sydney. So this is the most compromised draft in years – actually since the leg up the AFL gave its new franchises earlier in the decade. The draft itself is said to be not as strong at the top as in the past couple of years or as expected next year. The word is that the quality is deep and even. It will take some brilliance and a lot of luck for Jason Taylor and his team to produce the goods with only picks 47 and 68 at their disposal.

Dropped in briefly for the last half hour. Quick ball movement drill was a thing of beauty - so clean and precise and me thinks decision making was even quicker than last year, although sometimes first glance in a while can be deceptive. Having extra quality/depth with Hibberd and Melksham and McKenna Since last season Jack Viney is even more muscular - is this possible? He looked a bit like Naim Suleymanoglou as he did his 250m reps around the boundary with Dean Kent. Both Weideman and Oscar are still in need of more upper body weight training - still scrawny. Both Hunt and Smith look stronger though. Good to see range of skills drills and the Auskick one-on-one drill was a sensation as revealed earlier. Brayshaw just pipped Jones 2-1, O.Mac downed Weid 2-1. Bernie swept Tyson 2-0 with complete guts and desperation, Frosty managed to get ball to ground and won 2-1 against Hoges, Jack W was too tall for Harmes and won 2-0 and in the match-up of the day Salem was too classy for Petracca winning 2-0 with his one-hander a gem. Boys looked happy and most looked really fit (about 12 were on light duties) and two Dons seem to have fitted in perfectly. There was one player apart from Salem who stood out. When it came to 1km trials, this player was told to rack off from the second group because they obviously knew he was too quick. He nonchalantly went over to the A group which comprised Bugg, ANB, Melky, Harmes, Hunt, Oscar and Jones. He sat at the back for the first lap and then decided to just step it up and whizzed around them all and then took off the gas and won it easily with a bit of a smirk. I suspect you can all guess who it was and everything he did showed he is fair dinkum and clearly our number 1 main man for next season - subject to injury. My guess is that Jesse will play as a mobile forward similar to Nick Riewoldt this year - a bit like the Carlton game this year where he lead up and was the pack-mark outlet all day. Note: I'm not usually a huge Hoges fan, but you could just tell he's primed and it's not even December.

Club expected him to go top 5 so imagine their surprise when he was available at pick 47.

Thanks for the report. I was listening to SEN just before and Jake Melksham was on talking about what he'd been doing for the last 10 months, he also mentioned that Hibbered was a little overweight when he rocked up to the club for Pre Season but that didn't seem to surprise him, he said this wasn't the favourite time of the year for his mate Gibbered. He also said he won't feel like a Melbourne player until he's played his first game but he's looking forward to it and is happy to be under Goodwin who he said for a head coach, is really approachable, he also said we will be playing a much more attacking game this year. As far as position, he was supposed to be originally playing half back but now after talking to Goodwin it will more likely be half forward/Mid.

This is all about Heritier finding a way out of playing a game that he's lost interest in and doing so with as much coin as possible. If he wants to get out with dignity he should make sure that the resolution is swift and he bows out silently rather than in the blaze of publicity created by the ridiculous accusations made about the club's treatment of his concussion issues.

He's a star in the making.

Was working at the Essendon Football club today, let's just say they were very ordinary. Made work a lot better

I'm still too upset about the death of Patrick Swayze to take all this in properly.

Hawthorn just selected a player named Mitchell Lewis. Overcompensating a bit?

Most of it's been covered today and I just had a quick look. But the more I see of Mitch King the more I think he'll get there in a few years. Looks much stronger already and big across the shoulders. He tires after a bit but when they are doing kick to kick he starts off moving and kicking nicely for a tall man. He's got to be 202+ by now. Trenners doesn't have the definition of some other guys but he looks lighter in the glutes. I think he's literally working his butt off so there's hope there. A large rehab group today and a lot of players going in and out of drills. Frost and Hunt haven't fixed their kicking yet so it will be important to get them in space where their speed is still as impressive. Watts in team drills where he can duck out on a lead and then spin and kick is deadly. If the backline skills pick up and he can start finding space and being hit up he's got another level in him. Salem seems to have lightened off a little since the first week back, or maybe just got more of a tan, he looks very good. He took a set shot from the pocket that was as sure a kid as you'll ever see. Hoges nailed one from the right forward pocket which is the side he struggles with. Just has to back himself and his straight routine and he'll get more confidence on that side. If he stays fit all preseason and his tank is vastly improved I think Dom Tyson's going to rack up some 40 touch games. We know he gets the ball in tight but he just seems to bob up in creative areas on the outside as well.

I think Heritier is a no show again today.

Pcik #76 Hawthorn pick Mitchell Lewis. So they lose both Mitchell and Lewis but pick up the next best thing...

AFL hopefuls strut their stuff in VFL finals Hannan's two goals and 10 marks helped the Dogs to a 32-point win over Collingwood in round 21, which ended the Pies' 12-game winning streak. The 22-year-old from St Bernards, since taking an old-fashioned hanger in April, has developed his game to a more consistent level in his second season in the VFL. "He's got his health and his conditioning to a level where he's playing midfield as well, and when he's got his ability to mark overhead and such a long-range left foot on him, he's certainly a weapon for us which is pleasing to have," Hansen said. Hansen described Hannan as a "blank canvas with plenty of potential". "I'd certainly say he's got AFL attributes … and he's a good size. Obviously he's a raw prospect in terms of the talent pathway. He's been a local footballer until he came into our program," he said. AFL hopefuls strut their stuff in VFL finals

Wow....he slipped down the list and still available at 46. Just stoked

There were a few at training, including me, but lunch date with daughter visiting from Canberra, sorry, later, have update on Clarry and Trenners all good

Jeff is training today

No, you are not making it up TK. In general terms, the domestic equivalent is: good debt - a loan to buy assets eg car, house. Bad debt: a loan to pay every day living expenses. The $4.7m is an 'operating facility' which can be drawn down at any time, so it sits somewhere between the 'good' and 'bad' debt. But what makes it a 'good' debt is the assets the club holds. Our Total Liabilities were: $12.6m and our Total Assets were: $17.4m so we are well and truly in the black. The Assets includes $8.7m for Land, presumably the Bentleigh Club premises. Interestingly, the land has not been been revalued in the last year and given what has happened to Bentleigh real estate in the last year it would be worth a lot more than $8.7. So, yes the $4.7 is healthy debt. On the subject of debt. As long as debt is in line with assets it is a good thing, especially in the low interest rate environment of recent years. I wouldn't be in any hurry to pay down the $4.7, unless I had spare cash earning close to zero interest. On my reading we are in a really stable financial position and have the potential to become a really solid club. Not only has PJ turned us around he is creating a sustainable financial foundation for us to be really strong again, in our right, independent of handouts.

I don't know nor care to know what the situation was for them so I shall generalise the discussion here. I understand 'morally wrong' refers to the 'don't mess with the missus' code. And for some it is particularly strong and extend it to ex wives/ex partners. But when two people are separated, living apart from their ex spouses/partners and are consenting adults, how they lead their lives is a private matter. As a woman, I wouldn't want my separated from for several years ex husband, having some intrinsic right to know who I was dating. I may or may not choose to disclose it but as to an intrinsic right for him to know or to get an explanation, well in my book, it does not override my right to privacy. Understandably, he can be sad, angry, disappointed or upset but to think I was morally wrong to date a mutual best friend would not sit well with me. I'm not wanting to stir up a hornet's nest, and relationships are delicate situations but just wanted to put a female's perspective on the privacy of consenting adults.

Please tell me he's a star in the making.

Really reminds me of Max Gawn, except that he's a lot shorter, looks nothing like him, doesn't play in the ruck and has a completely different skill set.

Aside from our picks I really hope Sam Petrevski-Seton (now of Carlton) succeeds in the AFL environment. The poor bugger was incredibly nervous in an interview with Ben Dixon and I recall seeing a short video of him on the AFL website a week or so ago where he mentioned that he had worked on his vocabulary and linguistics so he was confident enough to speak up during team meetings. Seems like a great young kid and I hope he has a great career (wherever he plays at).

Couple of articles about him ... DION Johnstone addresses the large group with a confidence which once eluded him. He stands in front of his Scotch College teammates, opponents and families and talks about the day’s game without a hint of the shyness which followed him to Melbourne from his home town of Warrnambool three years earlier. The talented goalsneak embraced the captaincy bestowed upon him in his final year at the private school. It was a leadership role he never expected to assume when he arrived in year 10 via Brauer College on an indigenous excellence scholarship. "When I first went there I didn't really speak much, was really shy, and it also didn't help not knowing people," Johnstone said. "But it encourages you just to talk to people and get to know people. It’s definitely helped me confidence-wise also being the captain of Scotch. "I wasn't that good a public speaker but after every game I had to say a speech on behalf of the Scotch team in front of parents and the other teams as well, which also helped my confidence a lot." Johnstone is hoping the personal growth he's shown, coupled with the courage to leave home at a young age to pursue his dreams, will encourage an AFL club to draft him later this month. He has shown his capabilities – namely speed, toughness and goal nous – at various levels over the past two years playing in the Associated Private School system, TAC Cup for Oakleigh Chargers and at his home club, Hampden league contender North Warrnambool Eagles. Those traits earned him a nomination as an indigenous category B rookie. Reigning premier Western Bulldogs can select Johnstone outside its regular salary cap if it wishes. "It's basically like a third-chance thing because they want to get more Aboriginal and multicultural kids in the AFL," he said. "So if I don't go in the national or rookie drafts, it's a category B for kids who have been nominated. "I was lucky enough to be nominated by the Bulldogs. They have first priority over me in that category B draft. If they don't want me another club can. "It is definitely something handy and I am very privileged to have because not many other kids have it." Johnstone credits Scotch College for elevating him to that position. A country lad at heart, he took time to settle into his new surrounds. But he persisted, made friends and adjusted to a different way of life – one with shared dormitories and an added emphasis on study and extra curricular activities. "It's probably the best thing I have ever done," Johnstone said of his decision to move away at 15. "It's helped me to be the person I am today, helped me mature, I guess, especially living away from home. "That was difficult. The first month I couldn't really do it. I was thinking 'I want to go home' and was missing my friends and family. "But you keep pushing through it and you make friends and it becomes a helluva lot easier. "They're obviously a high, elite school and that’s how they present themselves. "I remember when I went there for an interview to meet the principal and look around the school, I was just looking around and couldn't really believe how big it was and the way they went about things – their school work, their sports, music and science." ----------------------------------------- North Warrnambool Eagles draft hopeful Dion Johnstone on his football journey Johnstone started to feel a sense of belonging at the end of year 10. The following year was a memorable one, particularly on the field. The former Dennington junior became a TAC Cup premiership player with Oakleigh Chargers as a bottom-age prospect. "Going all the way and winning the premiership and knowing I could play in that high level gave me a confidence boost coming into this year," he said. The 2016 season got off to a shaky start for Johnstone but he finished strongly, kicking 17 goals in his last six games as Oakleigh ended with a flurry. He also made cameo appearances for North Warrnambool Eagles. "I was a bit slow to start off; I wasn't happy with the start I had this year," Johnstone said. "But towards the end of the year and in the finals series I was really happy with my performances." Former North Warrnambool Eagles coach Bernard Moloney handed Johnstone a senior debut as a 16-year-old, throwing him into the deep end on the 2014 qualifying final stage. "Gerard Lourey, who was my assistant coach at the start, followed him during the year and we discussed him a bit and decided to take a risk," he said. "Graeme Twaddle (the current Eagles coach) assisted him through the Clontarf Academy early on as well, so we did our homework on him. "What impressed me about him was he was a really enthusiastic young fella who was prepared to play the game asked of him. "We wanted someone on a wing who could break the lines and penetrate into the forward line. And he has a good defensive side to his game." Johnstone, who played in the Eagles' first senior grand final in September, missed out on an invite to the AFL state combine. He tested at the 'Rookie Me' camp a month out from the draft in a bid to impress recruiters one last time. "It's hit me this year knowing this is my year and I have to do something about it if I want to succeed in getting that dream," he said. "I'd be over the moon (to get drafted). I wouldn't know what to do – I wouldn't think it's real at the start."

Son of Travis

All I know is we expected him to go much earlier...

I believe AFL Rule 27 (D) provides heavy sanctions for "taking the pizz".

For no notes you have done a good job DJ thank you.

There have been some grand lines on Demonland this year, but this is a gem! Almost sprayed my morning coffee into the air.

Being a St. Bernards Old Boy, took special note of Hannan when I watched the Footscray VFL games, and was rapt that we picked him. Unlike some of the players we've picked up from other clubs recently in Bugg, Kennedy, Melksham and McKenna, Hannan has some X Factor. I'd give him more chance of having an impact at AFL level than the players listed, and the likes of ANB and JKH. Our last St. Bernards boy won a B&F in a GF year. Strawbs O'Dwyer.

Gun. Hopefully we take another from that good VFL side. I think Hannan could be really good. Bullies have invested a lot of time into their VFL players. They'd be spewing. Good for us.

has a habit of misplacing paperwork, jack. i'm sure it will turn up some time tp prove the player's innocence and get jobe his brownlow back.

And in a shock development that caught the rest of the world by surprise, Stephen Dank failed to file the required paperwork today as required by the AFL anti-doping appeal board.

So about 8.30pm we tune in to hear that we are very happy that Player a and B slipped through to our picks we rated so to get them is a fantastic result for the club. We really wanted to boost our Ruck stocks which to get player A we see him filling that ruck forward role and to get someone with pure leg speed that plays as a small forward but we think can add to our midfield as well.

I have thought all along, that the Bombers would take the travel goods, but the pundits suggest they will take the Canadian at pick 1.. GWS were desperate for the Canadian and did deals to get pick 2, thinking that would get him. My only interest early on in the draft, is to see if the Bombers spoil the GWS party. Also and this is the first time I can recall posting on this issue, but I think it is an absolute disgrace, that the Bombers get pick 1, as a result of a penalty imposed by the AFL for cheating. It is like sanctioned tanking. They should have been told, that as part of the penalty, they get the pick at the position they were at, when it was imposed, which would be about mid first round. The result is that a cheating club prospers, by getting access to the best player in the country and further the best player left in each round. Unbelievable except for an organization like the AFL.

No idea who we pick but I want to hear Jason Taylor say when he gets interviewed at the end that he couldn't believe the player was still available at our pick.

He actually brought a note from his mother. All good.

Thanks for the report Deko. I have no idea how you put up with 40+ degrees for weeks on end.

Agreed. GWS held their own internal investigation and cleared Allan and Lambert and continued employing them. But apparently now they were "rogue". GWS should be punished more severely for taking the pizz

If anyone has seen my sense of humor please return it to Nutbean ( it may have something to do with having to relocate a warehouse interstate - a 4 month project which i need to do before Xmas)

every run i make is a new pb (for my age, measured in years and months)

this could all be easily resolved if someone would just go and resurrect muhammad ali

You know you're a draft tragic when you schedule a hernia repair for the day before the draft so work will not distract from the more important sporting events of the day. I'm unfazed by what the Giants zone issues though it'd be interesting to see if their involvement in the Riverina has seen an increase in players drafted from that region. As a fan of the code I support the national expansion. Sure the Giants may have got overs when it comes to concessions but in the era of the code wars our game needs to be firmly established in all of the major populations centres. The Dees just have to take care of their own business which we seem to have been doing for the last 3 years. Can't believe FoxFooty is playing old matches. Where are the draft replays!

Roos will be joining some of the greatest wits on Australian radio. F..k wits at least.

What really shits me is that just as we are finally seeing some light at the end of the demoniac tunnel, the love child GWS, is being force fed enough talent and advantages to ensure they become an unstoppable powerhouse for years to come.

It's a set up 'Red'... As you've already posted, nothing will hurt them draft wise next year. The AFL/GWS commission had no intention of handing out sanctions this year as they had a few academy kids to land. They will pretend to be tough next year when the horse has bolted. One things for certain, if they get in a position to win a flag I won't be watching. I absolutely hate with a passion the way the AFL are setting them up. If I wasn't a rusted on supporter and we weren't on the up I would leave the game...

did he ever catch one? sounds like it could be painful

At least he's brought most of us together on one issue.

I blame the Dalai Lama