The B & F puts an end to 2024.
Things obviously didn’t go as planned, but it’s a night to recognise those that have given a hell of a lot to the club. Knocking blokes for busting a gut week in week out says more about the person than the player. 
Not many are happy with how 2024 panned out, 2025 begins now. 

10 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Everything ok mate?

A bloke just said well done to Kade for coming 8th and having a consistent season. He is underrated by many

Whats with the overreaction?

As an observer I think you will find he said a lot more than that amongst his numerous vitriolic posts.

3 hours ago, DubDee said:

So the Umpires had Trac as clearly our best player yet he wasn’t in our top 10 for the BnF

different voting systems but still curious

Tracc was right in it early BUT didn’t play the last 10 games, not that curious DubDee. Each player is awarded between 1-10 votes by four separate judges each game, so Tracc had no chance. Max missed the Bluey by a couple of votes but missed a couple of games.

4 hours ago, Herewecome2017 said:

I just watched goodys speech. 

I found it:

A) a little defeated. Accepting of not returning to the ultimate goal, accepting we are declining.

B) Contradictory. He mentions not focusing on the result (a premiership), but getting pleasure out of the process. But then uses the example of Oscar McInervary. And although Oscar didn't get the premiership medallion the club did. So therefore the 'result' for the club is still indeed a premiership!

Did anyone else have similar thoughts?

Not at all, I thought that he was realistic, realises that there is a lot of work to do to get back in contention and urged the players to love the process required to put themselves into a position to contend. Overstated process a bit for mine, Gus described the grind and hard work required as enjoyable a little more eloquently than Goody but Gus is a brilliant wordsmith.❤️💙😁

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2 hours ago, picket fence said:

Process? No one wants to hear about the Labour, all we wanna see is the Baby.!

I will be honest I don’t want to hear about the labour or see the baby. 

14 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Tracc was right in it early BUT didn’t play the last 10 games, not that curious DubDee. Each player is awarded between 1-10 votes by four separate judges each game, so Tracc had no chance. Max missed the Bluey by a couple of votes but missed a couple of games.

I was thinking about those numbers. Jack polled 407 votes - four judges, 23 games, average score 4.42. Max 405 votes, 21 games, average score 4.82. if I have this correct the judges are quite tough? 

32 minutes ago, Hawk the Demon said:

I was thinking about those numbers. Jack polled 407 votes - four judges, 23 games, average score 4.42. Max 405 votes, 21 games, average score 4.82. if I have this correct the judges are quite tough? 

It doesn't really matter, Jack won it, maybe if Max had of played an extra 2 games he possibly could have won. It's all over now.

3 hours ago, BringBackTheDemon said:

You typify everything wrong with this club Wayne, still stuck in 2021 still clinging onto it when it has no relevance to how the team is performing in the now.  Who cares how many premiership players we have, where did we finish in 2024? 

Completely wrong. BBTD was simply making the point that there is no need to belittle players. Which is a fault that is far too common on this forum.

39 minutes ago, Hawk the Demon said:

I was thinking about those numbers. Jack polled 407 votes - four judges, 23 games, average score 4.42. Max 405 votes, 21 games, average score 4.82. if I have this correct the judges are quite tough? 

Good point.  Gawn averaged 19.3 votes per game, Viney 17.7.  It does seem low, that our two best players over the season couldn't hit an average of 20 (50% of the available votes).  Gawn's season especially was statistically the third best of his career. Seems quite harsh, doesn't it?

It’s interesting that in last year’s count, Max finished in 8th place with 426 votes. The club had two more games as it participated in two finals but Max missed more games after his knee injury in Brisbane. I suspect that the judges might have been a tad harsher with their votes as the losses accumulated but in any event, the club might want to look at a way to ensure the award doesn’t go to the player who plays the most games.

44 minutes ago, Hawk the Demon said:

I was thinking about those numbers. Jack polled 407 votes - four judges, 23 games, average score 4.42. Max 405 votes, 21 games, average score 4.82. if I have this correct the judges are quite tough? 

Agree. 

407 is the lowest winner’s vote count, excluding the shorter 2020 season, since 2016 when, funnily enough, Viney won with 407.

We played finals the previous three seasons but the winner each year polled 600+ (in 2022 Clarry won with 608 and just one extra game played, given the additional H&A game this year).

11 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

It’s interesting that in last year’s count, Max finished in 8th place with 426 votes. The club had two more games as it participated in two finals but Max missed more games after his knee injury in Brisbane. I suspect that the judges might have been a tad harsher with their votes as the losses accumulated but in any event, the club might want to look at a way to ensure the award doesn’t go to the player who plays the most games.

The Flower effect.  Despite being universally regarded as our best player for most of his career, Robbie only won it once.  Most seasons he'd miss a game or two.  I agree.  

3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I think the AFL’s way of shafting us from a fixture perspective will actually please our fans.

Plenty of Sunday 1:10 and Saturday 1:45 games next year will actually suit our supporter profile more than your night games that we essentially had for almost the entire second half of the season.

I'd be rapt if we got those games. I missed not having the 1:45 games or even the 4:35 timeslot. I want more day games next year

3 hours ago, Percy Beames said:

For me Goody's speech was a veiled message to Christian Petracca in particular about putting ego aside. I thought it was quite pointed in that sense and it reminded me of the quote from Gus Brayshaw about sacrifice that featured in Between The Flags: 'It's easy to sacrifice when we can tangibly see the results'.

Probably a message to the whole playing group but in particular Trac.

I agree. If players look at their careers in a binary manner (flag or bust) each year they're not going to enjoy footy

1 hour ago, Dee Zephyr said:

The B & F puts an end to 2024.
Things obviously didn’t go as planned, but it’s a night to recognise those that have given a hell of a lot to the club. Knocking blokes for busting a gut week in week out says more about the person than the player. 
Not many are happy with how 2024 panned out, 2025 begins now. 

Exactly, we can go back to the doom and gloom now..

2 hours ago, dees189227 said:

How was neal-bullens speech? I'm sure it wasn't awkward like the 2 Tiger players the other night.

Was Clint our MC?

Was reading about pies fans at there b&f and BT being awkward with Alex pendlebury. 

ANB was class personified. Complete polar opposite to the Bolton/Baker speeches from Richmond's B&F.

Nothing but love in the room.

3 hours ago, sue said:

You put so much emphasis on the number 14.   Whereas anyone who actually thinks beyond that crude number knows that the comp was very close this year and a few close losses and all the other reasons (you'd call them excuses I know) could have made that number considerably less.   Even less than 9.  But enjoy your misery while you can.

Or you could just accept that we finished 14th in 2024, and a lot of hard work is expected before next season begins…

2 hours ago, gs77 said:

Completely different voting systems. Trac played during the more successful first half of our season, snagging brownlow votes. Our BnF sees coaches awarding players a score out of 10 that are summed. This provides a much broader spread of votes, and also heavily penalises players that miss a lot of games.

And yet Nibbler didn't get a single Brownlow vote this year. Absolute joke that he didn't poll in the Port and Carlton games. Played well against the Saints and Eagles too, at home

7 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Or you could just accept that we finished 14th in 2024, and a lot of hard work is expected before next season begins…

It is possible to do both without endless negativity.

57 minutes ago, Swooper1987 said:

The Flower effect.  Despite being universally regarded as our best player for most of his career, Robbie only won it once.  Most seasons he'd miss a game or two.  I agree.  

In those days they had a policy of sharing it around otherwise Robbie would have won 10.

6 minutes ago, sue said:

It is possible to do both without endless negativity.

It’s got nothing to do with being negative. It’s a fact, and we shouldn’t accept it 

56 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

I'd be rapt if we got those games. I missed not having the 1:45 games or even the 4:35 timeslot. I want more day games next year

Me too.

A senior afl staffers a friend was saying how the league are worried they're not growing the game at junior levels . Fewer kids becoming rusted on fans. Why he asked me?.

I said night games. Kids don't go like we all did growing up to 2.10 games every week.

Real issue for them apparently 

1 hour ago, dees189227 said:

I'd be rapt if we got those games. I missed not having the 1:45 games or even the 4:35 timeslot. I want more day games next year

Me too but that does not suit marketing / sponsor money.

8 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

Me too.

A senior afl staffers a friend was saying how the league are worried they're not growing the game at junior levels . Fewer kids becoming rusted on fans. Why he asked me?.

I said night games. Kids don't go like we all did growing up to 2.10 games every week.

Real issue for them apparently 

I suggest the reason maybe more things to interest kids. When I grew up, in winter there was footy and not much else. Today there are numerous winter sports and streaming. I seldom watch FTA and my grandchildren never do. 

10 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It’s got nothing to do with being negative. It’s a fact, and we shouldn’t accept it 

Yes it is a fact that we finised 14th and we must accept that, but the point I was making that focussing negatively on the number 14 may not be reflective of the actual situation.  Feel free to feel as miserable as you like about things. Each to their own.