The Wade Derksen Thread

[DiscoStu17 696]

22 hours ago, godees said:

Pretty pathetic by GWS not to consider a trade. They have heaps of depth in KP players, he has family reasons to want to be in Melbourne and they haven’t given him a game. Hardly a player to really put your foot down on. I hope he leaves next year for nothing.

Is there a position available for ground manager at Casey that pays well? Might at least allow him and the family to relocate. 

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On 06/10/2024 at 18:01, DeeSpencer said:

But good list management means you all but disregard a players draft spot the moment the draft is finish. It’s largely irrelevant. Forget draft position, he’s a young tall who’s shown promise at both ends.

The better argument is Jeffo is 20 and Wade is 23. 

So not only has he had more time as a mature body ready to play games he’s also now at the stage where you’re almost harming his career if you don’t get games in to him.

That said, he was the one who chose financial security signing on for 2 years at the end of last year knowing he was down the pecking order. He could’ve done a 1 year deal and be guaranteed to be on the way out. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Quite a few try now DS. Look at the number of players wanting to move this year with 2 and 3 years left on contracts. It seems a contract is only a contract as long as the player wants. 

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I think it will still get done

[mo64 5,657]

1 hour ago, DiscoStu17 said:

Is there a position available for ground manager at Casey that pays well? Might at least allow him and the family to relocate. 

We can get him to start work at the Caulfield redevelopment.

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38 minutes ago, mo64 said:

We can get him to start work at the Caulfield redevelopment.

1 man would take at least 50+ years to get it done on his own. Even so by 2074 he’d probably finish it before we’ve even made an announcement of where we’d build, so better not risk it………….not the best time for the club to look foolish

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3 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

He's got buckley's chance of getting a game in 2025 for BWS with the key backs and forwards in their arsenal.

Beer Wine Spirits?

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4 hours ago, samcantstandya said:

We granted Neal-Bullen's request but GWS didn't. We are a compassionate club.

Too friggen so should have played hardball it aint a St. Vincent De Paul store!

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2 hours ago, mo64 said:

We can get him to start work at the Caulfield redevelopment.

Well according to BT James Magner built Eastlink by himself.

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5 hours ago, Little Richard said:

Jackson was an anomaly. How many other rucks over the past 10-20 years were virtually ready to go like he was? It's no secret the majority take much longer to develop.

Also true of Jackson. He was OK enough to be worthy of a game in his first season, but he's now into his 5th season and is still improving. Against that, 5 years in and he's not exactly taking the comp apart, and the difference between 2nd year and 5th year Jackson is not all that flagrant. 9th in Fremantle's Best and Fairest, still not the finished article.

Not knocking him, would love to still have him, but I'm not sure even Jackson is a good counter-example for rucks take time.

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5 hours ago, DubDee said:

Bloke is 23yo and has 3 kids?!

Clearly Can hit a target and can kick a goal

He'd be a great gardener by all accounts.

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9 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Whilst it sucks for us Kane is 100% correct.  Should happen more in footy to the bigger names.

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GWS apparently into Stringer. Wonder if they land him they'll be more inclined to release Derksen?

[dazzledavey36 53,449]

He's staying at GWS.

They're pretty adamant after talks this weeks and a few proposals put forward to them that he's staying.

Just remember GWS have a history of this with Cam McCarthy. 

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12 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He's staying at GWS.

They're pretty adamant after talks this weeks and a few proposals put forward to them that he's staying.

Just remember GWS have a history of this with Cam McCarthy. 

Time will tell if their stance is the same at the end of the trade period. I find it hard to believe anything the clubs say during trade whether it’s positive or negative towards us. 

I believe it when i see it. 

[Young Blood 2,373]

I do think this needs to be more of a talking point across the AFL.

I follow professional sports in other countries. In the NBA, I don't think I've ever heard of a player asking for a trade due to family reasons or being homesick. Its all part of the job and being a professional player at the highest level. Its just a given that its a business and a job where sacrifices must be made.

Perhaps the ANB situation is a bit different as he has been a servent of the club for 10 years. I wonder if he were only a second or third year player if such a request would have been accepted. Might be one of two times I've ever agree with Kane on this that if you put your name in a draft that you are accepting as a professional sportsman to be picked by any side, possibly interstate and that you need to make it work for the club that picked you.

The only the only other argument Wade has is that he wants more of an opportunity to play AFL as he's been two or three behind the pecking order as a key forward/back. GWS/McCarthy is now saying that due to players leaving this off season that there is now less depth and more likelihood that he might play.

I'd still be [censored] if I was Wade.

[FreedFromDesire 783]

11 minutes ago, Young Blood said:

I do think this needs to be more of a talking point across the AFL.

I follow professional sports in other countries. In the NBA, I don't think I've ever heard of a player asking for a trade due to family reasons or being homesick. Its all part of the job and being a professional player at the highest level. Its just a given that its a business and a job where sacrifices must be made.

Perhaps the ANB situation is a bit different as he has been a servent of the club for 10 years. I wonder if he were only a second or third year player if such a request would have been accepted. Might be one of two times I've ever agree with Kane on this that if you put your name in a draft that you are accepting as a professional sportsman to be picked by any side, possibly interstate and that you need to make it work for the club that picked you.

The only the only other argument Wade has is that he wants more of an opportunity to play AFL as he's been two or three behind the pecking order as a key forward/back. GWS/McCarthy is now saying that due to players leaving this off season that there is now less depth and more likelihood that he might play.

I'd still be [censored] if I was Wade.

It's worth noting, the average NBA salary is close to $18 million, whereas the average AFL player salary is $450,000. I would wager most NBA players who missed family who would simply move them all to where they needed to. That's not a reality for AFL players.

Of course, there is also the recent example where other teams deliberately passed on drafting a player so that he could be put on the list for his father's team. That father also famously requested to move 'home' to help them win a championship. Perhaps not exactly the same situation, but still.

I'm not sure I would say NBA players, making $18 million a year, are necessarily that accustomed to making 'sacrifices'.

Edited Wednesday at 07:38 by FreedFromDesire

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12 minutes ago, Young Blood said:

I do think this needs to be more of a talking point across the AFL.

I follow professional sports in other countries. In the NBA, I don't think I've ever heard of a player asking for a trade due to family reasons or being homesick. Its all part of the job and being a professional player at the highest level. Its just a given that its a business and a job where sacrifices must be made.

Perhaps the ANB situation is a bit different as he has been a servent of the club for 10 years. I wonder if he were only a second or third year player if such a request would have been accepted. Might be one of two times I've ever agree with Kane on this that if you put your name in a draft that you are accepting as a professional sportsman to be picked by any side, possibly interstate and that you need to make it work for the club that picked you.

The only the only other argument Wade has is that he wants more of an opportunity to play AFL as he's been two or three behind the pecking order as a key forward/back. GWS/McCarthy is now saying that due to players leaving this off season that there is now less depth and more likelihood that he might play.

I'd still be [censored] if I was Wade.

This is the club we cleared their best tagger to for a steal as they widely admit.

Think it will get done late in trade period.

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1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

 

It's hilarious.

Other clubs are dealing on star players and we are struggling with a 23 year old, who hasn't played a game and wants to come home for family reasons.

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5 minutes ago, Redleg said:

It's hilarious.

Other clubs are dealing on star players and we are struggling with a 23 year old, who hasn't played a game and wants to come home for family reasons.

It's not our struggle? He wants to come to us but he's in contract with a club who is losing 4-5 put of contract,, who rate him and have a history of holding players to deals. Unless you want us to trade with exhorbitant overs to wrench him out unsure what more we do unless/until they change position.

Also plenty of deals currently with preferred clubs poles apart at the minute. Typical trade period half way through. 

Edited yesterday at 04:10 by Lil_red_fire_engine

[Pulp Fritschon 702]

I think the unfortunate situation here for Dirk is the move to the Dees gives him more job security ie 3 year deal. Currently 12 months left at GWS and that could be him done at the end of 12 months if he doesn’t play any AFL next season, gets injured ect.
 

Dees are keen now by who knows this time next year.

He really needs to say to GWS  -  ok you are going to hold me to my contract but I am fighting for my career here. I need a few more years for security and to prove myself. Trade me to the Dees or offer me a contract extension. 
 

This loss of security of remaining at GWS is the  unfortunate situation. 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

It's not our struggle? He wants to come to us but he's in contract with a club who is losing 4-5 put of contract,, who rate him and have a history of holding players to deals. Unless you want us to trade with exhorbitant overs to wrench him out unsure what more we do unless/until they change position.

Also plenty of deals currently with preferred clubs poles apart at the minute. Typical trade period half way through. 

I am not knocking us, but rather the situation we find ourselves in.

Not sure how highly they really rate him. Do you think they rate him ahead of Hogan, Cadman, Taylor, Buckley, Himmelberg, Riccardi, Brown and or Gruzewski? Given they are all staying and he hasn't got a game ahead of them yet, unless a few go down with injury, he is probably still not getting a game ahead of them.

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1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

 

Ridiculous statement

 

He is a 194cm Forward/Defender

[Lord Travis 10,552]

29 minutes ago, Redleg said:

It's hilarious.

Other clubs are dealing on star players and we are struggling with a 23 year old, who hasn't played a game and wants to come home for family reasons.

It is pretty sad. Even after winning a premiership and clearly being a window of success, we weren't able to attract any star players. We've done some weak trades over the the past few years to ensure good will and being a good trading partner too. If we can't get a deal done for a mature age battler who hasn't played a game, then that good will built was for nothing.

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14 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

It is pretty sad. Even after winning a premiership and clearly being a window of success, we weren't able to attract any star players. We've done some weak trades over the the past few years to ensure good will and being a good trading partner too. If we can't get a deal done for a mature age battler who hasn't played a game, then that good will built was for nothing.

We did have Cerra but not the draft capital, and Houston before the shambles narrative took over.