Welcome to Demonland Caleb Windsor

[Mach5 4,482]

31 minutes ago, layzie said:

Was a great time to be alive if you like good value entertainment over footy results. 

And our recruiting staff were seen as a company of B-grade actors. 

I call BS. Once Oliver was selected there were precious few if any calling it a mistake or asking “who is Oliver?”

[rjay 23,945]

2 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

I call BS. Once Oliver was selected there were precious few if any calling it a mistake or asking “who is Oliver?”

From memory 2 Brownlow votes in his first game...

[old55 21,399]

We don't have a player like Windsor on our list. Size, pace, endurance. Closest may be Blake Howes, but I don't think he particularly has the pace. Maybe Caleb's a bit like Max Holmes who we apparently also liked. That would be helpful.

[Demonstone 19,376]

10 minutes ago, dino rover said:

Verrall Jefferson and Adams aren’t likely to advance much next year

Twelve months ago we were saying the same about Judd McVee.  

[DeeSpencer 23,256]

2 hours ago, rjay said:

I think he will play early on.

I don't believe we recruit a top 10 player to spend much time at Casey.

Good players learn to play AFL by playing at the level.

I love that he's already focussed on getting his first game.

Same. I suspect there’s a half forward/3rd winger role that they’ll be keen for him to take. Use his speed in quick rotations. 

Pretty much the games Harmes and JJ played last year have to go to someone and Billings and Windsor are the 2 favourites. If Billings isn’t up to it then get the kid in.

[layzie 29,133]

47 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

I call BS. Once Oliver was selected there were precious few if any calling it a mistake or asking “who is Oliver?”

Is that you Olisk? 😉

Few called it a mistake but we were still burned by the Toumpas/Wines fiasco and with his OP issues in the leadup I'd hardly say there was certainty around the Oliver pick on here.

Edited November 21, 2023 by layzie

[dino rover 625]

47 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Twelve months ago we were saying the same about Judd McVee.  

I hope you’re right I think the difference is that key position players generally (words chosen carefully) take longer to develop.

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[Macca 16,173]

2 hours ago, layzie said:

Is that you Olisk? 😉

Few called it a mistake but we were still burned by the Toumpas/Wines fiasco and with his OP issues in the leadup I'd hardly say there was certainty around the Oliver pick on here.

Actually, Olisic was the one who stood out here with his admiration of Oliver a long way short of the draft ... and he was right on the money too

And Mach5 is right ... there was hardly a soul here castigating the choice of Oliver.  That just didn't happen. 

In the lead up when he was the bolter, maybe?  But once we drafted him, we were all over the choice.  He did win the Morrish Medal although that award has historically been cursed

However, your call of a 'reach' with regards to 'The Duke of ... ' might be remembered though layz!!  Heehee😁😁 

 

Edited November 21, 2023 by Macca

[Palace Dees 2,027]

2 hours ago, rjay said:

From memory 2 Brownlow votes in his first game...

Yep. I was there and he immediately became my favourite player. Pretty sure Gerald Healy called it the best debut game he had ever seen. 

[Juicebox 628]

I love this selection. Did we go “needs first” over “best available”? The hell would any of us really know…?

Currently, we are screaming out for a bit of pace and precision on the outside. I personally thought Hunter was bit of a downer and Langdon was nowhere near his best.

Also, to those bemoaning the non-selection of Curtin… Lever. May. I think we prefer to recruit our key defenders once they’re already hardened and seasoned and I am totally fine with that.

Best of luck Caleb.

[Nascent 7,365]

 

 

[Palace Dees 2,027]

I posted a replay of the Vic Metro vs WA game a few posts back. Do yourself a favour and go to around 51 mins into it.

From a WA kick in, you will see Windsor tackle an opponent to the ground. A WA player picks up the loose ball only to have Windsor get up and tacke him also. From this spillage a Vic metro player picks it up and delivers to Watson who kicks his 5th. 

He's not just a running outside player. Love his work ethic. 

[layzie 29,133]

30 minutes ago, Macca said:

Actually, Olisic was the one who stood out here with his admiration of Oliver.  And he was right on the money too

And Mach5 is right ... there wasn't anyone here castigating the choice of Oliver.  That just didn't happen.  In the lead up when he was the bolter, maybe?  But once we drafted him, we were all over the choice.  He did win the Morrish Medal although that award has historically been cursed

Same as the Toumpas choice ... the criticisms came 18 months after his career at the MFC had started.  From the hindsight/I told you so types.  Shouda, couda, wouda 

However, your call of a 'reach' with regards to 'The Duke of ... ' might be remembered though layz!!  Heehee😁😁 

 

That's why I said it. No-one was championing Clarry harder. 

We were tongue in cheeking it a bit before and I never said people were castigating Oliver but it was a surprise pick to a lot of Phantom drafters. We were all pretty pleased with it, I was particularly stoked when the 'strong bodied' mid we got looked bigger on than Parrish on stage.

The criticisms with Toumpas did come later and he was highly touted to go where he did but it still hurt.

As for Windsor, I'm happy to have that pinned if it works out. Pickett was a reach too! 

Edited November 21, 2023 by layzie

[58er 5,630]

2 hours ago, dino rover said:

I think this choice says something about our forward issues 

that our problem has been slow ball movement resulting in a crowded fwd line and subsequent kicks to congestion 

fwds have no chance

Our other deficiencies like Gawn back up tall defence and replacing Tm and BB  are going to have to be solved by those on the list now Fullarton Adams verrall Jefferson etc

im not convinced that our newest recruits are straight in to the team and also Verrall Jefferson and Adams aren’t likely to advance much next year

So my pessimistic outlook is that we are a ways off being more competitive than 2023 particularly when the rest of the comp isn’t standing still 

A half glass empty expert?

How to look at with a closed and defensive outlook who mentioned everything as worst possible scenario. 

Even if I agreed with some of these comments we have the solutions by the players we have picked in the trades and draft this season.

Given JT and TL’s record it may be this year or next but along with some developing Casey and younger players already in the team the future is very promising when you look at our overall list.

Dino you seem to overlook the possibility that Adams Howes AMW Ruiy McVee Chandler Disco Sparrow Petty Kossie Jefferson Fullarton plus Billing’s and McAdam even Clarry and Trac if the majority improve by 3/5% we would/could win the flag in 2024. 

We are right in the flag race and I like our 2 National draft selections which directly are to address our connection, pace and forward issues. They may not early do that but who knows after pre season and plenty of game time we may be surprised.

We have already seen how Dogga Kossie and Riv had an effect in 2 seasons and this 2024 version is goals better than our 2020 outfit to form a base on. 

 

[Macca 16,173]

5 minutes ago, layzie said:

That's why I said it. No-one was championing Clarry harder. 

We were tongue in cheeking it a bit before and I never said people were castigating Oliver but it was a surprise pick to a lot of Phantom drafters. We were all pretty pleased with it, I was particularly stoked when the 'strong bodied' mid we got looked bigger on than Parrish on stage.

As for Windsor, I'm happy to have that pinned if it works out. Pickett was a reach too! 

Yeah, I was joining in on giving credit where credit is due (Olisic) 

Amongst Demons both here and elsewhere I reckon we collectively thought we'd picked up a gem with Kozzie ... you're right though, many in the media thought otherwise

I reckon 'The Duke of' might surprise many and he'll get early games I reckon

Another thing that stood out is how quickly he wants to dispose of the ball ... vital at AFL level.  And those first 2 or 3 quick steps is an AFL necessity too.  He's got that too

As for the wild Dane, putting his head over the ball against men for a season is good grounding.  He looks right at home in that role and looks a creative type as well

 

[58er 5,630]

8 hours ago, Dannyz said:

So would I! He's a gun recruiter.

I just saw the new highlights package on melbournefc.com.au in which he looked stronger in the contest than the reel I saw prior on AFL.com.au. 

 

Let’s hope we are the beneficiaries Danny with Caleb being like our great Robbie Flower a little as a couple of sharp judges have suggested. 
Go Dees !!

[layzie 29,133]

14 minutes ago, Macca said:

Yeah, I was joining in on giving credit where credit is due (Olisic) 

Amongst Demons both here and elsewhere I reckon we collectively thought we'd picked up a gem with Kozzie ... you're right though, many in the media thought otherwise

I reckon 'The Duke of' might surprise many and he'll get early games I reckon

Another thing that stood out is how quickly he wants to dispose of the ball ... vital at AFL level.  And those first 2 or 3 quick steps is an AFL necessity too.  He's got that too

As for the wild Dane, putting his head over the ball against men for a season is good grounding.  He looks right at home in that role and looks a creative type as well

 

Just checking, text can be hard with these things 🙂

Kozzie was exactly what we needed and why I'm more than happy to back JT with speculative picks.

The Duke could be like a QB on the Wing with a quick release?

 

[Macca 16,173]

1 minute ago, layzie said:

Just checking, text can be hard with these things 🙂

Kozzie was exactly what we needed and why I'm more than happy to back JT with speculative picks.

The Duke could be like a QB on the Wing with a quick release?

My attitude towards our drafting in general has changed a great deal because of how good Jason Taylor is at identifying talent.  I used to believe that it was more of a crapshoot than it actually is

JT rarely, if ever, misses and that includes bringing in established talent with draft picks (on numerous occasions) For that reason, we need to keep our eye on Jefferson.  

JT's record is phenomenal and I reckon he is the best in the business

And who do we have to thank for acquiring his services?  None other than Mark Neeld

The parting gift that keeps on giving!!  Extraordinary stuff, layz!!

[layzie 29,133]

5 minutes ago, Macca said:

My attitude towards our drafting in general has changed a great deal because of how good Jason Taylor is at identifying talent.  I used to believe that it was more of a crapshoot than it actually is

JT rarely, if ever, misses and that includes bringing in established talent with draft picks (on numerous occasions) For that reason, we need to keep our eye on Jefferson.  

JT's record is phenomenal and I reckon he is the best in the business

And who do we have to thank for acquiring his services?  None other than Mark Neeld

The parting gift that keeps on giving!!  Extraordinary stuff, layz!!

Parting gift of the century.

[TheWiz 702]

Absolutely pumped with Windsor and Tholstrup. We need Windsor’s pace and their combination with some of the young guns coming through will be a great competitive mix for 2024. Really feel the club have got the ‘needs’ ticked and the balance of young vs experienced ticked. Bring it on!

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[Redleg 37,891]

4 hours ago, 58er said:

Let’s hope we are the beneficiaries Danny with Caleb being like our great Robbie Flower a little as a couple of sharp judges have suggested. 
Go Dees !!

Robbie was left handed, but a right foot kick and of course could do both on the opposite side brilliantly. It made him difficult to stop, because he would lean the way you weren't expecting and evade, or get off a kick or handball.

If you watch replays of Robbie, you will see him lean into the handball and lean back with the kick.

This kid is a little similar, but is quicker than Robbie was, which will help him in his career.

If he is 25% the player Robbie was, we have a beauty.

[DeeSpencer 23,256]

Caleb's a right footer where as this guy wasn't but in terms of players who have played somewhat recently he reminds me of one of my favourite opposition stars in Stephen Hill. If he can be anywhere in the same ballpark of him he'd be a great pick up

[monoccular 16,252]

14 hours ago, layzie said:

At the end of the day when you have someone like JT calling the shots you back him in with any 'reach' picks. 

JT has a great record and here’s hoping that these two are more of his gems. 

11 hours ago, binman said:

Yep.

JVR looks a bit clunky as he walks in to shoot for goal but also guides the ball right onto his boot which is big reason he is so accurate.

Wattsy was smoother but again guided the ball on to the boot and was deadly accurate.

The other similarity between those three players is a short, slow run up when kicking set set shots. Basically kicking off just a few steps. Simple techniques with few moving parts and less things that can go wrong.

BBB, our Premiership FF says hi.