Tmac can’t jump anymore. That’s fatal for a KPF. He’s purely depth next year. Not sure whether bb’s knee problems are curable but he’s a better bet than tmac. 

19 hours ago, BDA said:

Tmac can’t jump anymore. That’s fatal for a KPF. He’s purely depth next year. Not sure whether bb’s knee problems are curable but he’s a better bet than tmac. 

I think the other way round. 

They were both key to winning the flag in 2021, maybe brown doesn’t come over if we offer less and we never win a flag, who cares if they go a year long, what players are we missing out on anyway. It would have just been speculative late picks or rejects from another team anyway. There is no million dollar free agent we could have got instead. Same thing with Grundy people act like we had some other better option last year.

Id say we actually have fantastic list management we haven’t lost a single player in as long as I can recall to cap issues. The fact we have the space to take these chances is a good thing

Edited September 26, 20231 yr by Garbo

20 hours ago, BDA said:

Tmac can’t jump anymore. That’s fatal for a KPF. He’s purely depth next year. Not sure whether bb’s knee problems are curable but he’s a better bet than tmac. 

Someone authoritative - himself, his partner or club staff - referred to it as 'bone on bone'.

Anyone on here with 'gnosis' (😁) care to try a diagnosis and prognosis?

Edited September 26, 20231 yr by Timothy Reddan-A'Blew

28 minutes ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

Someone authoritative - himself, his partner or club staff - referred to it as 'bone on bone'.

Anyone on here with 'gnosis' (😁) care to try a diagnosis and prognosis?

I'm no knee expert but:

I have osteochondritis dissecans or bone on bone in one knee. It was a result of many years of playing basketball ie. running and jumping on an unsuitable surface (not sprung).

Chipped femur bone and cartilage were removed and I was advised not to run again lest I do more damage.

If BBB has bone on bone he's shot. Running and jumping would be painful and he'd be risking more damage to his the base of his femur or top of his tibia (my guess) and chronic arthritis (again, my guess).

6 minutes ago, M_9 said:

I'm no knee expert but:

I have osteochondritis dissecans or bone on bone in one knee. It was a result of many years of playing basketball ie. running and jumping on an unsuitable surface (not sprung).

Chipped femur bone and cartilage were removed and I was advised not to run again lest I do more damage.

If BBB has bone on bone he's shot. Running and jumping would be painful and he'd be risking more damage to his the base of his femur or top of his tibia (my guess) and chronic arthritis (again, my guess).

If that's they case the club should tell him to retire or he should do it himself.

5 minutes ago, samcantstandya said:

If that's they case the club should tell him to retire or he should do it himself.

With @M_9's response above, this reaction is understandable.

But it's a big consequence, and one on which both club and player are, for the moment, staying quietly inactive.

So, while I'm very confident that I heard that information, from one of those sources, I'd really appreciate hearing that someone else did, too!

FWIW Shaun Burgoyne and Andrew McLeod both played with bone on bone for years.  Shaun was supposed to have had it when he went to Hawks.  

On 9/25/2023 at 9:23 AM, Demons11 said:

T Macs field kicking is horrendous and why he was moved away from down back in the 1st place.  

Please don’t remind me of those dark, dark days. Oh, the turnovers!

22 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Please don’t remind me of those dark, dark days. Oh, the turnovers!

🤣😬I feel ya! 

On 9/26/2023 at 6:12 PM, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

Someone authoritative - himself, his partner or club staff - referred to it as 'bone on bone'.

Anyone on here with 'gnosis' (😁) care to try a diagnosis and prognosis?

You've just gone into Bunnings to buy a pint of milk @Timothy Reddan-A'Blew

1 hour ago, Undeeterred said:

Please don’t remind me of those dark, dark days. Oh, the turnovers!

That's years ago and don't tell me TMac would be any greater liability if he was tried in defence than asa forward now. His kicking has improved so he wouldn't be a liability as he is able to pass now. You forget TMac was plunged into AFL far earlier than he was ready and had to learn while learning with very average back men no Mays or Levers to cover up.

He was the first tall then came Danny Frawley who did much the same and ended up having a great year he was AA.  Then he defected to the Hawks after he was also placed at CHF to assist our underwhelming attack. They covered up for him if he made an error and replaced Ben Gibson after he retired I recall. ( hopefully correctly). 

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7 minutes ago, 58er said:

That's years ago and don't tell me TMac would be any greater liability if he was tried in defence than asa forward now. His kicking has improved so he wouldn't be a liability as he is able to pass now. You forget TMac was plunged into AFL far earlier than he was ready and had to learn while learning with very average back men no Mays or Levers to cover up.

He was the first tall then came Danny Frawley who did much the same and ended up having a great year he was AA.  Then he defected to the Hawks after he was also placed at CHF to assist our underwhelming attack. They covered up for him if he made an error and replaced Ben Gibson after he retired I recall. ( hopefully correctly). 

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Sorry? 

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Sorry? 

Sorry about what ?

That was then just remember Gawny early on.

That was what the stage the Club was at. 

27 minutes ago, 58er said:

Sorry about what ?

That was then just remember Gawny early on.

That was what the stage the Club was at. 

Oh I know.

Like I know we were pretty [censored] back then but didn't realise we were that [censored] to the point we had to drag Danny Frawley out of retirement and even hand our poor old media manager in Ben Gibson a jumper to play...

Poor buggers.

45 minutes ago, 58er said:

He was the first tall then came Danny Frawley

James, not Danny.

when tex was 31 he kicked 14 goals in 15 games and was absolutely clawing onto that next 1yr deal and the footy world thought he was gonna roll the legs over one more time and then dip... he didn't and this year he kicked 70g and was an AA could either of these two possibly do that next year?

5 minutes ago, Turner said:

when tex was 31 he kicked 14 goals in 15 games and was absolutely clawing onto that next 1yr deal and the footy world thought he was gonna roll the legs over one more time and then dip... he didn't and this year he kicked 70g and was an AA could either of these two possibly do that next year?

No

Really wished BBB was fit and available for the Carlton final and selected over T Mac.

If nothing else he would've respected and made the most of his set shot opportunities unlike the skipper.

I'll be amazed if he's on the list next year after being nursed through 2 of his 3 seasons (yeah, yeah, I know his contracted and all that...)

On 9/25/2023 at 9:29 PM, DeeSpencer said:

Things went bad in 2019 for Tommy, the only game he looked himself in sure him injure his knee. Didn’t get better in 2020. We tried to dump the salary after that. Played some good games in 2021 but really it was half a good year out of the last 5.

 

I actually think he was good in the first half of 2022 before he got injured. We won ten on the trot with him in the side then it all went the way of his ankle / foot.

11 hours ago, Turner said:

when tex was 31 he kicked 14 goals in 15 games and was absolutely clawing onto that next 1yr deal and the footy world thought he was gonna roll the legs over one more time and then dip... he didn't and this year he kicked 70g and was an AA could either of these two possibly do that next year?

theoretically, yes of course

probability  <1%

If Bbb is playing with bone on bone in his knee he's superman. The top of the shinbone and the bottom of the thigh bone have articular cartilage between them. Having recently had a joint replacement because of lack of this cartilage, I can tell you that it is so debilitating that to even walk to the letter box was a chore, let alone playing and training for football. I don't doubt he has issues in this area but bone on bone is b.s. The only fix will be a knee replacement which gives you your life back but I'm afraid his playing days would be over. He is just delaying the inevitable.

 

On 9/27/2023 at 12:34 PM, Slartibartfast said:

FWIW Shaun Burgoyne and Andrew McLeod both played with bone on bone for years.  Shaun was supposed to have had it when he went to Hawks.  

What I expect you are alluding to is that bone on bone means different things in different cases - no two are the same.

I hope the you are not suggesting that those to whom you referred had better pain tolerance, or more determination than BB and TM.

On 9/27/2023 at 8:48 PM, drysdale demon said:

James, not Danny.

Thanks DD Bad  mistake. 

What Was the succession plan to replace these 2 key fwds as they were dogged with injuries & in particular brown who come with knee issues???