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  On 09/09/2023 at 02:11, sue said:

It's partly wearing thin because every time we find a forward they get injured.  Frisch out for many games, Petty out just as he shows he's a forward after coming back from injury, Melksham just as he shows he still a forward to be reckoned with.  And to top it off our two old blokes, Brown and Tmac, who maybe just had a bit more in them ended up injured for most of the year.    And now JVR out.  How much of this is Goodwin's fault?   You need a lot of things to win a premiership. Luck is one of them.

The number of injuries and disruptions to our forward line has been ridiculous. We managed to cover very well in the circumstances but in finals against the best it’s very difficult to win playing the likes of tmac and smith. It’ll be some effort if we manage to win from here given the forward challenges we’ll have to overcome 

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      On 09/09/2023 at 01:35, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

    We have a day extra recovery on Carlton, they limped over the line in the last, we finished very strongly.

    They players would be angry how they let that opportunity slip threw their fingers, this is different from last year.

    One word its all it is "Composure" all that was missing from the white board, Composure in front of goal.

    What's done is done we are in good health.

    We got this!

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      On 09/09/2023 at 09:57, Wizard of Koz said:

    We got this!

    I thought we had the other one...🥴

    🤔Hope you're better at calling than me 🤣🤣🤣

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    Despite my self imposed media ban, I heard a bit of crunchtime in the car this morning - All out criticism of the Dee’s forward movement  - personnel, strategy and recruitment all got a serve.
    They have written us off , while simultaneously championing the purity of the football act by Maynard, him having no case to answer (incredulously, I’ve heard several times, Brayshaw didn’t help himself to avoid impact).

    We will go through the week with hype continuing to build for Carlton.

    I don’t mind it.

     

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      On 09/09/2023 at 09:57, Wizard of Koz said:

    We got this!

    Brisbane are wobbling and Port may well get over them. If not, we will. Just need to smash Carlton, which we’ll do as we owe them big time for their last cheating win. 

    Hopefully Pies make it to the grand final and Viney and May meet out some Demon Vengeance on the way to a flag!!!

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      On 09/09/2023 at 10:28, KLV said:

    Despite my self imposed media ban, I heard a bit of crunchtime in the car this morning - All out criticism of the Dee’s forward movement  - personnel, strategy and recruitment all got a serve.
    They have written us off , while simultaneously championing the purity of the football act by Maynard, him having no case to answer (incredulously, I’ve heard several times, Brayshaw didn’t help himself to avoid impact).

    We will go through the week with hype continuing to build Carlton.

    I don’t mind it.

     

    Maynard will go. Whatever those imbeciles say is irrelevant. I’ve also switched off footy media after the loss as can’t deal with all the piffle. 

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      On 09/09/2023 at 10:03, dazzledavey36 said:

    Why the vomit emojo @The heart beats true

    Was my response too offensive to you.

    I thought your response wasn’t very kind.

    I know you and I don’t always see eye to eye, but you add heaps to this community, particularly with your knowledge of junior footballers. I like it when different people engage on here, and making fun of someone trying to start a new conversation seemed counterproductive. 👍

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      On 09/09/2023 at 10:52, The heart beats true said:

    I thought your response wasn’t very kind.

    I know you and I don’t always see eye to eye, but you add heaps to this community, particularly with your knowledge of junior footballers. I like it when different people engage on here, and making fun of someone trying to start a new conversation seemed counterproductive. 👍

    Fair.

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      On 09/09/2023 at 01:37, BDA said:

    The week off helps, with only five teams – Brisbane in 2003, Sydney in 2005, West Coast in 2006, Hawthorn in 2015 and Richmond in 2020 – losing qualifying finals, then winning the flag

    it can be done and has been done. We're still a tough proposition for Carlton and Brisbane (if they win their QF). We have the grit and resilience to stay in those games and win.

    I just don't know if we can kick a score to win. where are the goals going to come from?

    You should also include the doggies in 2026 who won and had to play 4 finals

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    Collingwood in 2018 lost their QF, but won through to the GF and were in front with a minute to go.

    Geelong in 2020 lost their QF, but won through to the GF and were in front in the third quarter.

    Sydney in 2016 lost their QF, but won through to the GF and were 1 point down with 10 minutes to go.

    No, none of those sides won the flag, but they all got close enough that it's not in my view impossible (adding in the two Dogs runs from 7th to the GF, and of course the five premiers who lost their QF).

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      On 09/09/2023 at 11:36, titan_uranus said:

    Collingwood in 2018 lost their QF, but won through to the GF and were in front with a minute to go.

    Geelong in 2020 lost their QF, but won through to the GF and were in front in the third quarter.

    Sydney in 2016 lost their QF, but won through to the GF and were 1 point down with 10 minutes to go.

    No, none of those sides won the flag, but they all got close enough that it's not in my view impossible (adding in the two Dogs runs from 7th to the GF, and of course the five premiers who lost their QF).

    I wonder if any of those teams also lost players in the way we have been losing them? .  If it was purely a form issue  I’d still be confident , but the injuries, suspension etc  is just proving too much I think. 

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    Were are a dangerous when our game is up and going, but at times we seem a bit mentally meek and happy with the recent flag.

     

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    Yep Goody has been here before in 2022 and was a straight sets exit. May sound negative & sure always a change to beat Carlton as we do have the skill, but unless we get good quality inside 50s vs the bombing the result want change 

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      On 09/09/2023 at 11:58, Jibroni said:

    Were are a dangerous when our game is up and going, but at times we seem a bit mentally meek and happy with the recent flag.

     

    You just have to see how we started the game on Thursday, even before Brayshaw's injury they looked flat.

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    We're a team that doesn't make things easy for ourselves. Losing the QF and doing it the hard way is just par for the course for us. We'll beat Carlton in a tough slog. Playing away at the Gabba will actually suit us. We'll play with more freedom I think. And then its destiny against the pies in the granny.

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      On 09/09/2023 at 12:06, ElDiablo14 said:

    You just have to see how we started the game on Thursday, even before Brayshaw's injury they looked flat.

    Absolutely we did. Took us 45 minutes to get going. Unacceptable in a QF.

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      On 09/09/2023 at 11:24, In Harmes Way said:

    You should also include the doggies in 2026 who won and had to play 4 finals

    I'm going to back them now. I'll get a top price.

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      On 09/09/2023 at 10:46, Ned said:

    Maynard will go. Whatever those imbeciles say is irrelevant. I’ve also switched off footy media after the loss as can’t deal with all the piffle. 

    Me too, it's carp.

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      On 09/09/2023 at 02:11, sue said:

    It's partly wearing thin because every time we find a forward they get injured.  Frisch out for many games, Petty out just as he shows he's a forward after coming back from injury, Melksham just as he shows he still a forward to be reckoned with.  And to top it off our two old blokes, Brown and Tmac, who maybe just had a bit more in them ended up injured for most of the year.    And now JVR out.  How much of this is Goodwin's fault?   You need a lot of things to win a premiership. Luck is one of them.

    Very nice Sue.  Luck plays a fair part in these things.

    P.S.  [censored] off MAyfart!

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      On 09/09/2023 at 12:06, ElDiablo14 said:

    You just have to see how we started the game on Thursday, even before Brayshaw's injury they looked flat.

    That's right. It felt like 5 mins until we even took the ball inside 50. It would have been great to lock it in our 50 more in that quarter.

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      On 09/09/2023 at 12:42, layzie said:

    Me too, it's carp.

    Yeah he'll be out until the appeal, then he'll be back in .

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    HAS THE 2020 RED MIST REARED ITS UGLY HEAD AGAIN!?

    Gazza spoke about this issue three years ago when we were having trouble finishing our work off coming inside 50 and / or missing opportunities to connect in general as we transistion the ball out of D50...

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-melbourne-problems-analysis-demons-on-the-couch-garry-lyon-red-mist-bad-kicking-playing-too-fast/news-story/8350ba20fe8a6cdc618b51cae33c412f

    For the last two seasons i've watched a number of our players completely ignore an open/ better option as they come out of D50 or approach our 50.

    It's the usual culprits and the ones i've noticed who are regular offenders (i'm sure they're not alone) are...

    Tracc, Clarry, Lingers, Chandler & Rivers.

    To a lessor extent Viney, Hunter & Gus. They sometimes lower their vision and spot an option, then attempt to kick on 45s occasionaly but it's just that they aren't necessarily very good at it and often miss the target that will sometimes result in a slingshot turnover.

    Sometimes Viney, Hunter & Tracc will hit targets so not all their efforts are a dead loss.  I'm sure Gus & Clarry also connect on odd occasions but i doubt their numbers would be all that great comparatively speaking.

    Tracc & Clarry our two biggest serial offenders.  Not enough poise and too often just play on immediately without assessing / scanning the field ahead, even from a mark or free kick, and just kick / bomb blindly up the field or deep inside 50.

    I can't recall which game it was, earlier this seaaon or late in 2022 but we basically lost the game through our own ineptitude with players being very open (even through the corridor) as we transistioned out of D50 being completely ignored both by hand and foot.  The two major offendors in that match were Chandler & Rivers.

    When i say open i'm talking overlap open either laterally or forward of the carrier being completely missed / ignored.  Instead we'll just kick straight down the line to a 1 v 1 or worse.... a 1 v 2 or 3!  Killing off the chance of quick  overlap run through the corridor and a lethal entry inside 50.

    Same with open targets up the field or off the line on 45s who are obvious better options if we look for them (scaning the field instead of just looking straight ahead) and (at least) kick it to their advantage.

    Instead we are ignoring them (or don't look for them!) and just blindly kick down the line to a 1 v 1 or worse... an outnumbered contest.

    Since 2021 we seem to have regressed in general play and are now playing more like we did in 2020.

    Unfortunately the Red Mist appears to be back.

    I'm not saying every player should be perfect either.  Much more difficult on the field looking at options from the grass vs sitting in the stands from a height or when watching the box.  All players miss better opportunities from time to time.  Always room for improvement though and for some players alot of improvement needed!

    This article also infers the same looking at the QF inside 50 debacle (courtesy of Superunknown)...

    https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/09/07/finals-fix-magic-magpies-expose-dees-massive-flaw-but-heres-why-they-should-have-to-win-it-all-without-maynard/

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      On 09/09/2023 at 21:55, Demon Dynasty said:

    HAS THE 2020 RED MIST REARED ITS UGLY HEAD AGAIN!?

    Gazza spoke about this issue three years ago when we were having trouble finishing our work off coming inside 50 and / or missing opportunities to connect in general as we transistion the ball out of D50...

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-melbourne-problems-analysis-demons-on-the-couch-garry-lyon-red-mist-bad-kicking-playing-too-fast/news-story/8350ba20fe8a6cdc618b51cae33c412f

    For the last two seasons i've watched a number of our players completely ignore an open/ better option as they come out of D50 or approach our 50.

    It's the usual culprits and the ones i've noticed who are regular offenders (i'm sure they're not alone) are...

    Tracc, Clarry, Lingers, Chandler & Rivers.

    To a lessor extent Viney, Hunter & Gus. They sometimes lower their vision and spot an option, then attempt to kick on 45s occasionaly but it's just that they aren't necessarily very good at it and often miss the target that will sometimes result in a slingshot turnover.  Sometimes Viney & Hunter will hit targets so not all their efforts are a dead loss.  I'm sure Gus also connects on the odd occasion but i doubt his numbers would be all that great comparatively speaking.

    Tracc & Clarry our two biggest serial offenders.  Not enough poise and too often just play on immediately without assessing / scanning the field ahead, even from a mark or free kick, and just kick / bomb blindly up the field or deep inside 50.

    I can't recall which game it was, earlier this seaaon or late in 2022 but we basically lost the game through our own ineptitude with players being very open (even through the corridor) as we transistioned out of D50 being completely ignored both by hand and foot.  The two major offendors in that match were Chandler & Rivers.

    When i say open i'm talking overlap open either laterally or forward of the carrier being completely missed / ignored.  Instead we'll just kick straight down the line to a 1 v 1 or worse.... a 1 v 2 or 3!  Killing off the chance of quick  overlap run through the corridor and a lethal entry inside 50.

    Same with open targets up the field or off the line on 45s who are obvious better options if we look for them (scaning the field instead of just looking straight ahead) and (at least) kick it to their advantage.

    Instead we are ignoring them (or don't look for them!) and just blindly kick down the line to a 1 v 1 or worse... an outnumbered contest.

    Since 2021 we seem to have regressed in general play and are now playing more like we did in 2020.

    Unfortunately the Red Mist appears to be back.

    This article also infers the same looking at the QF inside 50 debacle (courtesy of Superunknown)...

    https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/09/07/finals-fix-magic-magpies-expose-dees-massive-flaw-but-heres-why-they-should-have-to-win-it-all-without-maynard/

    And this could indicate it's a coaching issue.

    Unless we think our players are rogue and don't listen to their coaches and do whatever they want on the field.

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