On 07/10/2023 at 01:17, Stiff Arm said:

Luke Hodge, Jacob Weitering and Sam Walsh?

But it's a decision for now, not the past

Weitering wasnt even the best at his club that year. Walsh isnt clearly the best player either. 

  On 07/10/2023 at 10:52, Bay Riffin said:

Weitering wasnt even the best at his club that year. Walsh isnt clearly the best player either. 

Walsh has been the better player over his years than any other in that draft, and that's saying something because it was a hugely talented draft year 

Regardless, the point was that we're drafting for the future, not based upon who was taken at what pick in the past

Surely WC need the spread of players that a trade up from North offers them. 

They're list in a worse place than North's right now yes?

North would be pretty keen and kind of fits their list profile to top up with what is supposedly the cream of the crop and put an exclamation on top of their recent ins.

WC so devoid of talent.  Do they have a big draft hand outside of 1?

Haven't checked.

Also if North trade a few with WC to get Reid does that help our chances at all to land Sanders or someone close to him that is genuinly rated.

Must say, outside of Reid, i like the look of Caddy and, in particular, Sanders.

Sanders probably given he appears to fit the inside/outside mid option we've been looking for who can also find the odd goal.

Caddy appears to be a mostly medium-tall forward / part-time mid option yes?

  On 07/10/2023 at 01:03, Little Goffy said:

The talk of burning multiple first round and even top-5 picks to get Pick 1 deeply scares me.

For all the hype, you have to go back to Nick Riewoldt to find a no.1 pick who was the best player in their draft. Maybe Brendan Goddard in that season's overall pretty weak draft.

Less than 1 in 20 isn't a good enough strike rate to give up multiple picks which have almost as good (or in the case of picks 4 and 5, better) strike rates!

Please could everyone spare a thought for my nerves and stop chasing only the shiniest stone?

The wrong player is often picked at number 1.

In 2015 we traded to up the draft order to get Clarry at number 4 when no one else rated him that highly.

We apparently haven't interviewed Reid but if we do trade to get that pick i am confident we will get it right.

He is not the Messiah, he is an exceptional junior footballer.

Interview in The Age today identifies North, Hawks, GWS and Gold Coast as the clubs that have interviewed him. Interesting that we apparently have not shown interest, at least so far. 

  On 07/10/2023 at 20:54, pitmaster said:

Interview in The Age today identifies North, Hawks, GWS and Gold Coast as the clubs that have interviewed him. Interesting that we apparently have not shown interest, at least so far. 

Are we actually after Reid ?

It to me seems highly unlikely we could manufacture a path to his selection.

Im thinking we have a couple of others in mind..ie.. 2 players... in top 12.

Quite possibly the Dees for Harley is some form of construct..  but more a smokescreen 

Imagine we traded 3, 12 and 32 in for the number 1 pick in 2019? 

Hasn’t been a kid rated higher than Rowell for many years. 9 brownlow votes in first three games then injuries 

Instead we have Kozzi, Rivers and LJ (pick 5/13)

too risky and we are too good at picking guns in the top 30

Reid looks very good playing VFL and should be a gun but i Don’t think he’ll be Chris Judd

  On 07/10/2023 at 22:25, DubDee said:

Imagine we traded 3, 12 and 32 in for the number 1 pick in 2019? 

Hasn’t been a kid rated higher than Rowell for many years. 9 brownlow votes in first three games then injuries 

Instead we have Kozzi, Rivers and LJ (pick 5/13)

too risky and we are too good at picking guns in the top 30

Reid looks very good playing VFL and should be a gun but i Don’t think he’ll be Chris Judd

So, just to be clear, what you're saying is that we should pick this year's draftees based upon who has or hasn't been been picked in the past, not solely on the quality of draftees available this year?

Ok then 🤔

  On 08/10/2023 at 09:10, Stiff Arm said:

So, just to be clear, what you're saying is that we should pick this year's draftees based upon who has or hasn't been been picked in the past, not solely on the quality of draftees available this year?

Ok then 🤔

I read it as an example. 
 

Don’t miss the irony Stiffy. 🤣

I seriously hope the club uses the picks we have accumulate in the draft order and doesn't put them towards a tilt a Reid.

We did well from the 2019 draft selecting the talent from our allocated picks eg. Kozi, Riv and Jacko.

  On 08/10/2023 at 10:07, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

I seriously hope the club uses the picks we have accumulate in the draft order and doesn't put them towards a tilt a Reid.

We did well from the 2019 draft selecting the talent from our allocated picks eg. Kozi, Riv and Jacko.

It depends if the club values the 2023 draft crop as strongly as the 2019 crop.

  On 08/10/2023 at 09:10, Stiff Arm said:

So, just to be clear, what you're saying is that we should pick this year's draftees based upon who has or hasn't been been picked in the past, not solely on the quality of draftees available this year?

Ok then 🤔

absolutely not.

you’re putting words in my mouth 

  On 08/10/2023 at 12:02, Binmans PA said:

It depends if the club values the 2023 draft crop as strongly as the 2019 crop.

I hope for the sake of our draft hand the crop is a strong one in 2023.

Anyone in the know who rates the 2023 draft talent?

 

Somebody somewhere mentioned that Johnathan Brown, a f/s taken at 30-something, was best in his draft and that made be go back and look because I may be the only person on earth who thinks Brown is a little overrated.

Just conversationally, of course!

That was in the 1999 draft, where pick 1 was Josh Fraser, a poor reward for Collingwood's blatant tanking.

Overall it is widely considered the original 'superdraft' with some 25 players cracking the 200 game barrier, multiple club captains and club champions, repeated All-Australians and so on. Curiously, the talent was spread almost evenly through the draft, all the way to the likes of Ryan O'Keefe and Cameron Bruce very late in the process.

It also offers a terrific contest for 'best of draft' because the absolute top few players are each completely different with very different credentials. The contenders:

J Brown: 256 games, 594 goals (2.3/games), 2x all-Australian, 3x B&F, 3 premierships, 1 Coleman medal, 7 season captain or co-captain of Brisbane.

C Enright; 332 games, 6x all-Australian, 2x B&F - both in premiership teams, 3 premierships.

M Pavlich: 352 games, 700 goals (2.0/game), 6x B&F, 8 seasons as captain, 6x all-Australian. Played for Fremantle so automatically excused from premiership count.

For me, it is Pavlich, then Enright, then Brown, but the margins aren't large.

Pavlich has it in my opinion because he is only barely shaded by Brown for forward-line performance over his career, despite also grabbing an all-Australian spot at full-back when young (those David Neitz positive vibes hitting me), and being used much more all over the ground to cover for Fremantle being mostly rubbish.

  On 20/10/2023 at 05:35, Little Goffy said:

Somebody somewhere mentioned that Johnathan Brown, a f/s taken at 30-something, was best in his draft and that made be go back and look because I may be the only person on earth who thinks Brown is a little overrated.

Just conversationally, of course!

That was in the 1999 draft, where pick 1 was Josh Fraser, a poor reward for Collingwood's blatant tanking.

Overall it is widely considered the original 'superdraft' with some 25 players cracking the 200 game barrier, multiple club captains and club champions, repeated All-Australians and so on. Curiously, the talent was spread almost evenly through the draft, all the way to the likes of Ryan O'Keefe and Cameron Bruce very late in the process.

It also offers a terrific contest for 'best of draft' because the absolute top few players are each completely different with very different credentials. The contenders:

J Brown: 256 games, 594 goals (2.3/games), 2x all-Australian, 3x B&F, 3 premierships, 1 Coleman medal, 7 season captain or co-captain of Brisbane.

C Enright; 332 games, 6x all-Australian, 2x B&F - both in premiership teams, 3 premierships.

M Pavlich: 352 games, 700 goals (2.0/game), 6x B&F, 8 seasons as captain, 6x all-Australian. Played for Fremantle so automatically excused from premiership count.

For me, it is Pavlich, then Enright, then Brown, but the margins aren't large.

Pavlich has it in my opinion because he is only barely shaded by Brown for forward-line performance over his career, despite also grabbing an all-Australian spot at full-back when young (those David Neitz positive vibes hitting me), and being used much more all over the ground to cover for Fremantle being mostly rubbish.

Dan Curtin said he models himself on Pav - just sayin' ...

  On 07/10/2023 at 20:54, pitmaster said:

Interview in The Age today identifies North, Hawks, GWS and Gold Coast as the clubs that have interviewed him. Interesting that we apparently have not shown interest, at least so far. 

Every single club would have interviewed him at the combine 

On a related note namely North Melbourne's draft picks the number of delisted/retiring players at North is amazing:

7 players delisted

4 players retired

2 players traded

About one third of the list

  On 20/10/2023 at 06:48, Diamond_Jim said:

On a related note namely North Melbourne's draft picks the number of delisted/retiring players at North is amazing:

7 players delisted

4 players retired

2 players traded

About one third of the list

Wowsers – how many have come in?

  On 20/10/2023 at 06:54, DemonWheels said:

Wowsers – how many have come in?

From the AFL site

The Kangaroos brought Dylan Stephens, Zac Fisher and Bigoa Nyuon in during the Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period, while they also signed ex-Swans rookie Toby Pink as a delisted free agent.

  On 20/10/2023 at 06:54, DemonWheels said:

Wowsers – how many have come in?

13 out

4 in

9 picks over national/rookie draft or perhaps a delisted free agent plus spot held over for a pre-seasom supplemental selection.

They have 5 first rounders then picks 57 and 82.

Harley would be a Triumph.

  On 20/10/2023 at 07:25, Demonstone said:

Harley would be a Triumph.

He's no Indian 

  On 20/10/2023 at 05:35, Little Goffy said:

Somebody somewhere mentioned that Johnathan Brown, a f/s taken at 30-something, was best in his draft and that made be go back and look because I may be the only person on earth who thinks Brown is a little overrated.

Just conversationally, of course!

That was in the 1999 draft, where pick 1 was Josh Fraser, a poor reward for Collingwood's blatant tanking.

Overall it is widely considered the original 'superdraft' with some 25 players cracking the 200 game barrier, multiple club captains and club champions, repeated All-Australians and so on. Curiously, the talent was spread almost evenly through the draft, all the way to the likes of Ryan O'Keefe and Cameron Bruce very late in the process.

It also offers a terrific contest for 'best of draft' because the absolute top few players are each completely different with very different credentials. The contenders:

J Brown: 256 games, 594 goals (2.3/games), 2x all-Australian, 3x B&F, 3 premierships, 1 Coleman medal, 7 season captain or co-captain of Brisbane.

C Enright; 332 games, 6x all-Australian, 2x B&F - both in premiership teams, 3 premierships.

M Pavlich: 352 games, 700 goals (2.0/game), 6x B&F, 8 seasons as captain, 6x all-Australian. Played for Fremantle so automatically excused from premiership count.

For me, it is Pavlich, then Enright, then Brown, but the margins aren't large.

Pavlich has it in my opinion because he is only barely shaded by Brown for forward-line performance over his career, despite also grabbing an all-Australian spot at full-back when young (those David Neitz positive vibes hitting me), and being used much more all over the ground to cover for Fremantle being mostly rubbish.

Pavlich was so good, shame he was in WA for his whole career. Probably missed out on a bit of deserved love