NON-MFC: Rd 13 2023

[RedLegs23 855]

23 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Omg this is BS. Absolutely ridiculous. Oskar didn’t do anything wrong. Just shepherded the ball through.

And I’m so over the commentators group-frothing over Zak bloody Butters. 

Yeah they’re definitely frothing… but how good are they! 

Butters, Rozee, JHF, Wines, Boak… that’s a powerful powerful midfield. & they’re seriously coming.

 

[Roost it far 6,241]

I’d love to play Power over there in a qualifying final. If we hit September fit and in good touch I can’t see us losing. 

Edited June 9, 2023 by Roost it far

[Great Northern Summer 689]

6 minutes ago, Pulp Fritschon said:

Every game I watch at the moment the umpires are just way to involved. Some of the free kicks been paid you just shake your head and change the channel. 

Hope they stay out of the game Monday. 

100%. Never been this evident.

[mauriesy 6,860]

I don't think there's one player in the Bulldogs backline that I'd choose (type for type) over May, Lever, Petty, Salem, Rivers, Bowey and McVee.

[dees189227 11,016]

Nah don't mind Port. Only because I don't know any port supporters but also because kudos to Ken Hinkley for turning things around after he dropped the first few and had the media on his back.

There youngsters use the ball so well 

[monoccular 16,407]

32 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

The umpires like players will be held accountable for poor performances such as the Baker call and the non holding the ball call against Alir.

Thats why finals are generally well umpired.

If the only accountability is not umpiring finals then this explains fully the garbage that we (all) endure week after week.  So they can be cr@p for 23 rounds and get selected anyway?   

[Docs Demons 1,674]

22 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Love Butters. Best player in the comp this year. Very jealous of Ports young mids. Butters, Rozee and Horne-Francis are all explosive and hit the scoreboard.

Hoping Sparrow can become a similar player as he’s got the physical attributes to do so, just needs it all the click at once. Showed promise the last few weeks.

I hope so also My Lord however not sure Sparrow has the explosive, off the mark pace in him like the young power players.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,012]

Only thing with Port is can they sustain it? 

They are a young midfield playing big midfield minutes in the guts.

They will have a lull in the season, they wouldn't want to peak to early!

[Bang Bang Bang 5,560]

Umpire 22 is the worst in the business. There’s a reason he’s been around for years but never pops up in the finals. Dogs easily could have won that if it weren’t for him.
Port are a bunch of [censored] but they’d have to trip over their own shoelaces to miss top 2 from here. And that gives them a huge chance of a GF spot.
They have Geelong next week, I’m honestly not sure what to do for that game. Two despicable teams who are both dangers to us for different reasons. I might watch paint dry. 

[layzie 29,771]

Well that sucks 

[Chook 14,614]

Port's flag to lose imo. They're (only just) the best side in the comp, with Collingwood in a close one at the G a probable better bet.

Dees vs Port or Dees vs Pies would be a wonderful end to the footy season. Let's hope it happens.

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,988]

This might sound crazy / arrogant but if Port is so good with the number 1 midfield and the Bulldogs are making up the numbers why didn’t Port pump them? 
If Weightman’s goal was allowed in the 4th qtr I think Port still win but by under 2 goals. Wins are win and hats off to them but there’s a Collingwood like feel about them, continue to win by 2 goals or less. How long can this last?

When we played them we were totally outplayed, no denying it. We play one good qtr and only lose by 4.

Edited June 9, 2023 by Bombay Airconditioning

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,988]

What I’m getting at is there’s still a long way to go.

[godees 661]

4 hours ago, Bang Bang Bang said:

Umpire 22 is the worst in the business. There’s a reason he’s been around for years but never pops up in the finals. Dogs easily could have won that if it weren’t for him.
Port are a bunch of [censored] but they’d have to trip over their own shoelaces to miss top 2 from here. And that gives them a huge chance of a GF spot.
They have Geelong next week, I’m honestly not sure what to do for that game. Two despicable teams who are both dangers to us for different reasons. I might watch paint dry. 

They have a tough run home including Ess away, geel home and away, coll home, freo away and another showdown. We will know a lot more about them in a few weeks.

[BDA 20,638]

Port are a decent outfit. Definitely in the mix.

Butters and Rozee quality mids. JHR will be a beast.

[rufus 930]

8 hours ago, Pulp Fritschon said:

Every game I watch at the moment the umpires are just way to involved. Some of the free kicks been paid you just shake your head and change the channel. 

Hope they stay out of the game Monday. 

My solution to the umpiring problem:

- Get three of them off the ground and sitting behind a TV monitor.

- Each has a button to press, if they think free kick hit the button.

- Two or more buttons pressed, fourth umpire (on ground) gets signal into ear piece, blows whistle and pays free.

Obviously would need some tweaking but in general the advantages are:

- Decisions no longer influenced by crowd at all.

- Decisions no longer influenced by anything being said on the field.

- No more players complaining to umpire (the one on the field is simply the messenger).

- More consistent decisions with each contest being adjudicated by three people.

- Should not slow the game down as technology should allow the decision and communication to happen in an instant

- Generally get a better view of the contest from TV screen anyway.

The main things that would need working through:

- Watching off ball / off screen stuff.

- Anything sound related (e.g. touched kicks or contact made that was not clear to see but could be heard).

- Is one on field 'messenger' enough to keep up with where the ball is.

[Demon17 4,638]

9 hours ago, monoccular said:

If the only accountability is not umpiring finals then this explains fully the garbage that we (all) endure week after week.  So they can be cr@p for 23 rounds and get selected anyway?   

I loathe the Doggies when we play them as much as anyone, and they get umpiring armchairs often, but last night they were absolutely cruelled by substandard umpiring at crucial times in the last 1/4, and some of those officals should get please explains from someone.

Goaline shepherd was shocking and means TMac's magnivificanr effort was illegal in 2021 GF.  two clear 50m penelaities not paid. I suspect the umpire thought it was a marking contest and baker had eyes on the player and not the ball - but really?

Terrible.

Best team won but thats not the point.

When I go I'm just resigned to this season being so subjective at times decision-wise I just have to bear the errors and non-decisions and move on. Really poor for a so-called professional sport.

[Demon17 4,638]

7 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

What I’m getting at is there’s still a long way to go.

I'm with you on this.  Port aren't scary for us  if we get things right by finals.

[Redleg 38,044]

8 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

This might sound crazy / arrogant but if Port is so good with the number 1 midfield and the Bulldogs are making up the numbers why didn’t Port pump them? 
If Weightman’s goal was allowed in the 4th qtr I think Port still win but by under 2 goals. Wins are win and hats off to them but there’s a Collingwood like feel about them, continue to win by 2 goals or less. How long can this last?

When we played them we were totally outplayed, no denying it. We play one good qtr and only lose by 4.

And with everything going right for them. First goal Grundy fails to just tap it through for a point, SPP kicks a goal over his head . Butters plays best game of his life. 7 metre pass to Lord ok another goal. About 5 goals from frees. 10-2 frees last quarter and our 2 in back pocket. 7-1 frees in forward 50 to them. Our disposal atrocious.They kicked them from boundary in wet, we missed from 20 out straight in front.They played  very well and we didn’t. Lost by under a goal.

Edited June 9, 2023 by Redleg

[sue 8,477]

2 hours ago, rufus said:

My solution to the umpiring problem:

- Get three of them off the ground and sitting behind a TV monitor.

- Each has a button to press, if they think free kick hit the button.

- Two or more buttons pressed, fourth umpire (on ground) gets signal into ear piece, blows whistle and pays free.

Obviously would need some tweaking but in general the advantages are:

- Decisions no longer influenced by crowd at all.

- Decisions no longer influenced by anything being said on the field.

- No more players complaining to umpire (the one on the field is simply the messenger).

- More consistent decisions with each contest being adjudicated by three people.

- Should not slow the game down as technology should allow the decision and communication to happen in an instant

- Generally get a better view of the contest from TV screen anyway.

The main things that would need working through:

- Watching off ball / off screen stuff.

- Anything sound related (e.g. touched kicks or contact made that was not clear to see but could be heard).

- Is one on field 'messenger' enough to keep up with where the ball is.

Interesting idea.  But what if one of the the 2 umpires who press the 'pay free' button wants to pay the free to the opposite team to the other. 

Edited June 9, 2023 by sue

[John Crow Batty 8,307]

31 minutes ago, Redleg said:

And with everything going right for them. First goal Grundy fails to just tap it through for a point, SPP kicks a goal over his head . Butters plays best game of his life. 7 metre pass to Lord ok another goal. About 5 goals from frees. 10-2 frees last quarter and our 2 in back pocket. 7-1 frees in forward 50 to them. Our disposal atrocious.They kicked them from boundary in wet, we missed from 20 out straight in front.They played  very well and we didn’t. Lost by under a goal.

If we get in a close game in Adelaide the umpiring becomes stacked against us at the finish as happened in 2018 against Port and in 2021 against Crows. 

[Fork 'em 6,573]

12 hours ago, Redleg said:

See the nastiness in Port when a team mate is manhandled, or even just tackled aggressively.

Haven’t seen that with us for a few years.

Agree 100%.
I was annoyed when no-one backed Kozzie last weekend when the big Carlton goose stood over him in the goal square.
Reminded me of what Flash had to endure once Neitz retired and Daveys form dropped because of it IMO.
Apart from Viney who's a little bloke we are far too nice as a team.
Last year we allowed Langdon to get mugged by half the collingwood side after his duck/dinner comment.



 

Edited June 10, 2023 by Fork 'em

[Demon Disciple 11,135]

10 hours ago, Bang Bang Bang said:

Umpire 22 is the worst in the business. There’s a reason he’s been around for years but never pops up in the finals. 

Yep, Williamson is a very poor umpire. Makes Nichols look like a superstar.

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

17 hours ago, Winners at last said:

I think it's better for PA to win rather than Dogs.

Realistically Port are certain to finish top 4, so it's better that other teams vying for fourth sport lose. 

16 hours ago, DubDee said:

true but on the other hand we don’t want Port to finish top 2

11 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

I’d be happy to meet Port over there in a Qualifying final.

11 hours ago, Gandalf46 said:

I'd moved on from top-2 a while back.  Simply down to a top four focus regardless of what happens Monday (although it would be awesome to put an end to the constant media dribble/love for the Pies).

11 hours ago, Roost it far said:

I’d love to play Power over there in a qualifying final. If we hit September fit and in good touch I can’t see us losing. 

7 hours ago, godees said:

They have a tough run home including Ess away, geel home and away, coll home, freo away and another showdown. We will know a lot more about them in a few weeks.

Overall I'd agree it was better from a Melbourne perspective for Port to win last night. OK, it makes it hard for Melbourne to finish Top 2 but it definitely makes it easier to finish Top 4, and it's virtually impossible to win from outside the Top 4. Port in Adelaide in a Qualifying or Prelim would be challenging but not impossible (refer 2021). Also, it might be the case where Port finishes top and Melbourne avoids them in a Qualifying. Interestingly, both Port (as you'd expect) & Melbournes' Sportsbet Premiership odds reduced (from 6.5 to 5.5 & 6 to 5.5 respectively) after last night's game. Anyway, a long way to go!

Edited June 10, 2023 by Sydney_Demon
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[rufus 930]

55 minutes ago, sue said:

Interesting idea.  But what if one of the the 2 umpires who press the 'pay free' button wants to pay the free to the opposite team to the other. 

I guess each umpire has 2 buttons...one for each team. Need two presses for the same team to award a free.