POSTGAME: Rd 12 vs Carlton

[Blue-and-red 91]

Can’t share the enthusiasm here, ‘wins’ like this paper up cracks - we are a bloody ordinary footy team and more often than not have been for a few years - we should be better than what we are, but we need to see that we are not, it’s not about the opposition, it’s about us and how we play and make decisions on the ground.

Our coaching has been sub-standard for awhile against the best and we never want to deal with the hard truth. Anyone looking objectively at our performances knows we are nowhere near another premiership - who amongst the current coaches will challenge the club with this view and cause change? Who will speak up against the mantra that we ‘are learning’, we still ‘don’t know what our best forward set up is’ etc etc - it’s always glass half full stuff from our coaches, particularly Goody - we are always ‘trying to get better’ … but unsurprisingly, never do…

my main point is we haven’t learnt, or developed any further than where we were mid way through last year, if anything we are worse. This to me comes back to our coaching which I believe is sub-standard and complacent. Our ‘window’ is closing, I’ve been following he demons for 50 years and time goes quickly and I just feel we are missing a golden opportunity with some ‘lazy’ management

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

Can't remember a more boring, mistake ridden game in a long time. Crowd was flat as a tack for 50k. 

3 more Brownlow votes for Trac. Other than that great signs from Judd and JVR, Salem slowly returning to form.

Take the win and forget this game ever happened.

[Dee-monic 620]

Yes, we deserved to win but all those set-shot woes and clanger kicks could have been costly but for a strong all-round defensive effort. Encouraging to see Salem getting back to his best, along with  improved clearance work. Crossed fingers that Oliver will be fit to face Collingwood. With Sparrow putting in a strong effort tonight, it will be interesting to see who drops out of the midfield mix. Joel Smith could be the unlucky one.

Edited June 2, 2023 by Dee-monic

[titan_uranus 24,971]

As usual @Axis of Bob is right. 

The scoreline was ugly given our inaccuracy but we dominated general play all night. The stats showed it. 
+50 disposals but also +11 tackles. +29 CPs, +9 clearances, +20 inside 50s (they only had 39) and +7 scoring shots. On expected scores we should have won by 7-odd goals I believe.

May kept Curnow silent. Tomlinson got beaten but allowed Lever to play well enough that Voss felt compelled to send Lewis Young forward to tag him. Gawn got his mojo back. McVee was superb. JVR was threatening all night. 

Yes they had mids out but we had Oliver, Petty and Hibberd out and lost Bowey mid-game. 

If you said during the week we’d lose, or if you said you couldn’t see anything good in our season, or that you thought we were cooked for the year, you should be celebrating this win (whether you do so openly or not).

[layzie 33,750]

4 minutes ago, Blue-and-red said:

Can’t share the enthusiasm here, ‘wins’ like this paper up cracks - we are a bloody ordinary footy team and more often than not have been for a few years - we should be better than what we are, but we need to see that we are not, it’s not about the opposition, it’s about us and how we play and make decisions on the ground.

Our coaching has been sub-standard for awhile against the best and we never want to deal with the hard truth. Anyone looking objectively at our performances knows we are nowhere near another premiership - who amongst the current coaches will challenge the club with this view and cause change? Who will speak up against the mantra that we ‘are learning’, we still ‘don’t know what our best forward set up is’ etc etc - it’s always glass half full stuff from our coaches, particularly Goody - we are always ‘trying to get better’ … but unsurprisingly, never do…

my main point is we haven’t learnt, or developed any further than where we were mid way through last year, if anything we are worse. This to me comes back to our coaching which I believe is sub-standard and complacent. Our ‘window’ is closing, I’ve been following he demons for 50 years and time goes quickly and I just feel we are missing a golden opportunity with some ‘lazy’ management

Wins like this might paper over the cracks, but losses in these games take sledgehammers to the cracks and rip the place down.

[stranga 328]

5 minutes ago, Blue-and-red said:

Can’t share the enthusiasm here, ‘wins’ like this paper up cracks - we are a bloody ordinary footy team and more often than not have been for a few years - we should be better than what we are, but we need to see that we are not, it’s not about the opposition, it’s about us and how we play and make decisions on the ground.

Our coaching has been sub-standard for awhile against the best and we never want to deal with the hard truth. Anyone looking objectively at our performances knows we are nowhere near another premiership - who amongst the current coaches will challenge the club with this view and cause change? Who will speak up against the mantra that we ‘are learning’, we still ‘don’t know what our best forward set up is’ etc etc - it’s always glass half full stuff from our coaches, particularly Goody - we are always ‘trying to get better’ … but unsurprisingly, never do…

my main point is we haven’t learnt, or developed any further than where we were mid way through last year, if anything we are worse. This to me comes back to our coaching which I believe is sub-standard and complacent. Our ‘window’ is closing, I’ve been following he demons for 50 years and time goes quickly and I just feel we are missing a golden opportunity with some ‘lazy’ management

Well said. Nailed it. 

[old55 23,377]

29 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Really good game from our perspective. Got that solidity behind the ball back. Really good signs.

Contested possession +29.

inside 50s +20.

clearances +9.

Smashed them all over the ground. I don’t know what most people want from the team. Without looking, I assume it’s just groupthink from the Gameday thread.

Agree we absolutely killed them everywhere except conversion.

Yes McKay got the better of Tommo but that enabled May to murder Curnow and Lever to intercept.

Joel Smith enabled JVR and Max to get clear up forward.

All around it was a dominant performance.

27 shots from 59 i50s vs 16 from 39. That's a kill.

Edited June 2, 2023 by old55

[Maldonboy38 6,390]

Horrible to watch, and nowhere near top 4 standard but we won.

Second half we began to play our game for the first time in weeks, but our backmen need an award and a pay rise. They were brilliant tonight. Tomlinson had some struggles, but wasn't as bad as many seem to think.

Some great signs from our young guns - JVR and McVee.

Our midfield can't kick. Even Salem's boot was off tonight. Turnover merchants. I wanted to punch something. The total pelican Roaming Brian would be a great option.

Spargo, Kozzie and Chandler - a meek game from all three. And what has happened to Fritsch's kicking?

Gawn & JVR in the last quarter - wonderful.

I would persist with Joel Smith. Didn't do much but worked hard and was much more mobile than BBB or TMac. 

[Roost it far 8,177]

3 minutes ago, Blue-and-red said:

Can’t share the enthusiasm here, ‘wins’ like this paper up cracks - we are a bloody ordinary footy team and more often than not have been for a few years - we should be better than what we are, but we need to see that we are not, it’s not about the opposition, it’s about us and how we play and make decisions on the ground.

Our coaching has been sub-standard for awhile against the best and we never want to deal with the hard truth. Anyone looking objectively at our performances knows we are nowhere near another premiership - who amongst the current coaches will challenge the club with this view and cause change? Who will speak up against the mantra that we ‘are learning’, we still ‘don’t know what our best forward set up is’ etc etc - it’s always glass half full stuff from our coaches, particularly Goody - we are always ‘trying to get better’ … but unsurprisingly, never do…

my main point is we haven’t learnt, or developed any further than where we were mid way through last year, if anything we are worse. This to me comes back to our coaching which I believe is sub-standard and complacent. Our ‘window’ is closing, I’ve been following he demons for 50 years and time goes quickly and I just feel we are missing a golden opportunity with some ‘lazy’ management

You’re off the mark. Carlton were desperate and in the second half had we kicked a little better we would have won by 6-7 goals. Sparrow, JVR, McVee, Bowey and Rivers all had games. Lever and May outstanding, Gawn got his mojo going and Trac did what Trac does. We could easily be 10-2 right now and I for one look at that game and think Oliver and Petty are still to come. Happy Days for me

[Nascent 9,105]

Thought fritsch looked the best he has all year, moved well all over the ground and looked like he would make something happen whenever he had it. Could have had 4 goals and would normally kick those set shots. Hopefully he gets his eye in again for the back half of the year.

[BoBo 2,941]

12 minutes ago, DeelightfulPlay said:

Gosh just love Maxy.  From wheeling little Charlie the kid they've had around the club this week into the team song huddle, to a positive but humble interview.  Although in the course of writing this he made a terrible joke about trying to pay Jordan to say something positive 😂

Was a tense 2-3 seconds of silence whilst Lewis was trying to figure out what Maxy was saying. 

[Mickey 4,647]

Ugly game to watch but our midfield and defence were superb. Our forward line remains an issue, no matter what they say about us being the number 1 scoring team.

[deanox 9,897]

12 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Sure McKay had 9 marks and 3 goals but several of his marks were unstoppable and Tomlinson's  presence allowed the back half talls to work as a unit - in particular Lever was back towards his intercepting best.

JVR continues to impress.

McVee, Salem, Rivers and Bowey until injured are such a cohesive unit - never worry when they have the ball.

Agree completely RE Thomlinson.

I'd like anyone who thinks he played poor to explain which situations, which passages of play etc. 

I watched him pretty closely and felt that most of McKays marks werent the fault of the defender.

[Phil C 728]

 

[ElDiablo14 4,991]

21 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

Could be. I think this sometimes. When I see us play like sh*t most weeks. I see McVee out there hitting targets. He could be that mid next year. 

Swap Brayshaw and McVee?

Angus is not clean at all with ball, rather use him in the half back.

[Deebauched 1,220]

Well done despicable dees! Love it from up here in Bangers!

MFC won  AFL corporate LOST !

They tried all week to help the bluebaggers. Season over for them. Theyre done.  The media is definitely going to turn on them. Voss asked for this. I dont think Carlton can sack him.  Theyre joined at the hip.  

The DL expert posters who predicted Carlton would finish top 4 are cooked but not MFC players.

Hilarious.

Bring on Olie on Monday week against the Pies and Hibberd.

[monoccular 17,413]

3 minutes ago, Hellaintabadplacetobe said:

Can't remember a more boring, mistake ridden game in a long time. Crowd was flat as a tack for 50k. 

3 more Brownlow votes for Trac. Other than that great signs from Judd and JVR, Salem slowly returning to form.

Take the win and forget this game ever happened.

Short memory?  The round 5 game v Bummers was far worse. 

2 minutes ago, Dee-monic said:

Yes, we deserved to win but all those set-shot woes and clanger kicks could have been costly but for a strong all-round defensive effort. Encouraging to see Salem getting back to his best, along with  improved clearance work. Crossed fingers that Oliver will be fit to face Collingwood. With Sparrow putting in a strong effort tonight, it will be interesting to see who drops out of the midfield mix.

Early in the season we hardly missed a set shot, particularly Fritter and Chandler.  Is it accumulated fatigue, confidence, pressure?  I hope that Mark Williams can fix this quickly.

[Stiff Arm 4,419]

FMD! Is it compulsory for us to hold up the ball until the forward line is super crowded? The long bombs are killing us. What hope have Roo, Fritter or Grawndy got when it's 6 players up...

Looked good the few times we went in fast without a crowd, switched the angles, lowered the eyes, not over used.

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

8 minutes ago, Blue-and-red said:

Can’t share the enthusiasm here, ‘wins’ like this paper up cracks - we are a bloody ordinary footy team and more often than not have been for a few years - we should be better than what we are, but we need to see that we are not, it’s not about the opposition, it’s about us and how we play and make decisions on the ground.

Our coaching has been sub-standard for awhile against the best and we never want to deal with the hard truth. Anyone looking objectively at our performances knows we are nowhere near another premiership - who amongst the current coaches will challenge the club with this view and cause change? Who will speak up against the mantra that we ‘are learning’, we still ‘don’t know what our best forward set up is’ etc etc - it’s always glass half full stuff from our coaches, particularly Goody - we are always ‘trying to get better’ … but unsurprisingly, never do…

my main point is we haven’t learnt, or developed any further than where we were mid way through last year, if anything we are worse. This to me comes back to our coaching which I believe is sub-standard and complacent. Our ‘window’ is closing, I’ve been following he demons for 50 years and time goes quickly and I just feel we are missing a golden opportunity with some ‘lazy’ management

Deep down we all know it too.

i recall one kick into the corridor. Just one kick! And what happened? Mark, goal.

40 forward half turnovers for 1.4 is unacceptable We should have had 10-15 scoring shots alone.

And set shots kicking! Wtf has happened here. 

10-12 other teams would have beaten the Blues by 10 goals tonight. 

Harmes likely gone by MRO and I think Viney gets rubbed out too. 

 

[Jaded No More 68,867]

1 minute ago, deanox said:

Agree completely RE Thomlinson.

I'd like anyone who thinks he played poor to explain which situations, which passages of play etc. 

I watched him pretty closely and felt that most of McKays marks werent the fault of the defender.

McKay is a very very good player. His goal kicking aside he’s a giant who marks the ball at the highest point. It’s so hard to defend in the air. Tomlinson was fine. He got lost on the lead once but the other contests were just McKay being far too strong in the air. 
Was hardly disgraced. 

[Bang Bang Bang 5,801]

Think a fair few on here owe Steven May an apology. There were posters writing him off after the Essendon game FFS. The All Australian blazers might be a thing of the past given his age but he’s still a colossus 1-on-1 with a great left peg. 

[DemonWA 3,929]

Gutsy win. Love it

 

People expecting champagne footy each w week are kidding themselves 

[Adam The God 30,126]

You beauty. Never looked like losing. Should have won by 7 or 8 goals easily, but fatigue hitting our guys hard. Happy with any win tonight.

Bowser makes way for Hibbo, but would have loved Bowser to play KB as well.

It is what it is though.

Really need to get our ball movement going if we're going to beat Collingwood. Missed too many opportunities to slingshot and score tonight. Ground ball was way better though at both ends of the ground.

You ripper, go Redlegs.

[Dee-monic 620]

8 minutes ago, Blue-and-red said:

Can’t share the enthusiasm here, ‘wins’ like this paper up cracks - we are a bloody ordinary footy team and more often than not have been for a few years - we should be better than what we are, but we need to see that we are not, it’s not about the opposition, it’s about us and how we play and make decisions on the ground.

Our coaching has been sub-standard for awhile against the best and we never want to deal with the hard truth. Anyone looking objectively at our performances knows we are nowhere near another premiership - who amongst the current coaches will challenge the club with this view and cause change? Who will speak up against the mantra that we ‘are learning’, we still ‘don’t know what our best forward set up is’ etc etc - it’s always glass half full stuff from our coaches, particularly Goody - we are always ‘trying to get better’ … but unsurprisingly, never do…

my main point is we haven’t learnt, or developed any further than where we were mid way through last year, if anything we are worse. This to me comes back to our coaching which I believe is sub-standard and complacent. Our ‘window’ is closing, I’ve been following he demons for 50 years and time goes quickly and I just feel we are missing a golden opportunity with some ‘lazy’ management

You see the glass as half empty but I prefer to regard it as half full. In the considerable gap left by the absence of Oliver, Petty and Hibberd it was also just one of those nights when everyone had the goalkicking yips or we would have won much more comfortably. The real test comes in the next two games, against The Pies and Cats, and I would be inclined to suspend judgment until then. I was actually quite encouraged, for example, by the coolness of young McVee, strong contested work by van Rooyen and Salem looking sharp again.

[binman 42,638]

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

It will be good for our players to see a ruthless team in Collingwood up close next week.

They should learn a lot.

Yeah, coz they were so ruthless last week against the second worst team in the afl when they got smashed in the last quarter, giving up 6 goals.

And despite winning three more games prior to this match, they still had a lower percentage than us.

So ruthless.

Is this a bloody pies footy forum or a Demon's one?

FMD.

Edited June 2, 2023 by binman