POSTGAME: Rd 07 vs North Melbourne

[Macca 16,173]

Probably need to go all the way back to the Smith era the last time the Demons & Pies occupied 1 & 2 on the ladder

Checked 1990 and the teams were 2nd & 3rd for 3 consecutive weeks (rounds 12, 13 & 14) ... behind Essendon

 

[Dr. Gonzo 22,522]

3 hours ago, Macca said:

Yeah, like the J.E.T.S with Rodgers

Well let's hope so 😁🛫

[layzie 29,087]

8 minutes ago, Macca said:

Probably need to go all the way back to the Smith era the last time the Demons & Pies occupied 1 & 2 on the ladder

Checked 1990 and the teams were 2nd & 3rd for 3 consecutive weeks (rounds 12, 13 & 14) ... behind Essendon

 

Were we a better team than Collingwood that year Macca? First answer that comes to mind!

Edited April 30, 2023 by layzie

[Macca 16,173]

Just now, layzie said:

We we a better team than Collingwood that year Macca. First answer that comes to mind!

Might have been the one that got away although we didn't even reach the prelim final that season despite having a 16 & 6 record (did the same last year)

[layzie 29,087]

7 minutes ago, Macca said:

Might have been the one that got away although we didn't even reach the prelim final that season despite having a 16 & 6 record (did the same last year)

Probably my first season that I remember clearly. Seemed to promise so much especially with that brilliant win over the Immortal Hawks but delivered little. 

[Macca 16,173]

During that 1990 season we defeated Essendon (Grand Finalists) twice and we beat the Eagles twice in the season proper (they knocked us out of the finals)

The Pies beat us easily by about 8 or 9 goals but not on the Queens Birthday ... we beat Carlton in the QB clash

And with a 16 & 6 record we still managed to lose to North Melbourne by 21 goals!  Oyvey 🙄

Edited April 30, 2023 by Macca

[Macca 16,173]

1 minute ago, layzie said:

Probably my first season that I remember clearly. Seemed to promise so much especially with that brilliant win over the Immortal Hawks but delivered little. 

Yes apart from some of the notable clashes in the post above we beat Hawthorn in consecutive weeks ... round 22 and in the Elimination final

We couldn't get past the Eagles who a year or 2 later became a colossus

[layzie 29,087]

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

During that 1990 season we defeated Essendon (Grand Finalists) twice and we beat the Eagles twice in the season proper (they knocked us out of the finals)

The Pies beat us easily by about 8 or 9 goals but not on the Queens Birthday ... we beat Carlton in the QB clash

And with a 16 & 6 record we still managed to lose to North Nelbourne by 21 goals!  Oyvey

Remember in 98 we lost to Geelong by 95 then St Kilda by 85 the week after? Or in 2000 when Carlton got us by 98 points? 

It's been a while since we've been given a good hiding. 

[John Crow Batty 8,266]

42 minutes ago, Macca said:

During that 1990 season we defeated Essendon (Grand Finalists) twice and we beat the Eagles twice in the season proper (they knocked us out of the finals)

The Pies beat us easily by about 8 or 9 goals but not on the Queens Birthday ... we beat Carlton in the QB clash

And with a 16 & 6 record we still managed to lose to North Melbourne by 21 goals!  Oyvey 🙄

John Longmire kicked 14 goals against us when clobbered by North.

[Macca 16,173]

9 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

John Longmire kicked 14 goals against us when clobbered by North.

Jeepers ... I must have wiped that memory as I can't recall that game.  It was actually quite a shock seeing the scoreline on AFL Tables

 

#EternalSunshineOfTheSpotlessMind

[Macca 16,173]

1971 we were on top of the ladder (unbeaten) for the first 5 rounds whilst the Pies were in 3rd place for the same 5 rounds

And in round 6 the Pies beat us to take top spot (we dropped to 3rd)

By the end of the season we'd dropped to 7th after starting with an 8 & 1 record

 

[Demonland 65,656]

 

[Bitter but optimistic 21,332]

That first quarter stat (above) for Oliver is rather curious.

From my memory he had a squillion disposals and was bog quite clearly. Am I missing something here?

[jnrmac 19,088]

11 hours ago, Macca said:

Might have been the one that got away although we didn't even reach the prelim final that season despite having a 16 & 6 record (did the same last year)

 Garry Lyon's book says 1990 is the one they rue and that got away.

 

[jnrmac 19,088]

39 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Are these taken from CData stats or do the AFL have a different rating system? If so anyone know how they work?

[old55 21,375]

13 hours ago, Davos said:

I wanted to pop on here to voice my admiration for Ben Cunnington - probably my favourite non-Melbourne player in the league. 

In a dog of a night for the Roos, I thought he was terrific. 

No I don't like him, dirty sniper. I am pleased he has overcome his health issues and I'm pleased he experienced a 90pt defeat at our hands.

Edited May 1, 2023 by old55

[binman 38,595]

21 hours ago, FlashInThePan said:

I am definitely no detractor of Spargo, I think he brings a lot to the team. But who in that forward line are you dropping to replace with Spargo and make the team better?

It's not a question of needing to find a forward per se to get dropped

Both petty and spargo will come in. 

Who will get dropped?

I think there is a good chance a regular 22 will be managed or some such. If so that would be one. 

But if not I'm guessing harmes comes out. And jordon is the sub.

That's one.

And unless they want to give him another run (which id like to see), schache comes out too. 

[Dee Zephyr 17,717]

From the 9 things we learned from Round 7. 

Dangerous Dees have forward options to spare

Most clubs dream of having a pair of key forwards to build an attack around, but Melbourne is taking a different approach this season. The Dees have featured a different combination of talls almost every week, with fourth-gamer Jacob van Rooyen joined by Dee debutant Josh Schache on Saturday, the pair managing two goals between them in Melbourne's highest score of the season. But the actual 'key' to the Dees' forwards is an unpredictable gaggle of smalls and goalkicking midfielders as well as ventures forward from their two-pronged ruck pairing, which makes them incredibly difficult to defend against. And with Ben Brown, Tom McDonald and Jake Melksham stuck in the VFL, there are even more options waiting in the wings. - Howard Kimber

[binman 38,595]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Are these taken from CData stats or do the AFL have a different rating system? If so anyone know how they work?

i think all AFL data is generated by champion data, and i assume so is the player rnakings.

I just tried to find a defintion of how they calaculate it, but unbelievably struggled to find one. 

I found this def from this 2020 article

(note the authour notes about the table - 'i went looking for a similar explanation of the AFL Player Rating system on the AFL website, but any such information seems to have been removed in the latest upgrade of the site). 

(also note: i'm not sure if this formula was adopted - does anyone have a recent defintion?)

[Jaded No More 58,345]

Oliver had 16 touches at the first break. He would have got to 45-50 quite easily if he didn't spend sub 80% TOG after that first quarter. He started both the third and fourth quarters on the bench. At first I thought he was injured, because I honestly don't remember him ever ever ever starting a quarter on the bench. But no, he was just being heavily managed. 

[Willmoy1947 3,794]

1 hour ago, Dee Zephyr said:

From the 9 things we learned from Round 7. 

Dangerous Dees have forward options to spare

Most clubs dream of having a pair of key forwards to build an attack around, but Melbourne is taking a different approach this season. The Dees have featured a different combination of talls almost every week, with fourth-gamer Jacob van Rooyen joined by Dee debutant Josh Schache on Saturday, the pair managing two goals between them in Melbourne's highest score of the season. But the actual 'key' to the Dees' forwards is an unpredictable gaggle of smalls and goalkicking midfielders as well as ventures forward from their two-pronged ruck pairing, which makes them incredibly difficult to defend against. And with Ben Brown, Tom McDonald and Jake Melksham stuck in the VFL, there are even more options waiting in the wings. - Howard Kimber

The great unknown DZ, the great unknown.

 

[Kozzie4PM 765]

Fair to say my concerns about the 5 day break were ill-founded.

[BoBo 2,147]

20 hours ago, layzie said:

Remember in 98 we lost to Geelong by 95 then St Kilda by 85 the week after? Or in 2000 when Carlton got us by 98 points? 

It's been a while since we've been given a good hiding. 

Urgh, I wonder how many teams in AFL/VFL history have made a grand final in the same season as being beaten by 98 points by a team that didn’t make said Granny.

[layzie 29,087]

3 hours ago, BoBo said:

Urgh, I wonder how many teams in AFL/VFL history have made a grand final in the same season as being beaten by 98 points by a team that didn’t make said Granny.

I may be wrong or with the best elephant memory ever, but I seem to recall Port losing to North by over 100 points in 04?

[John Crow Batty 8,266]

18 minutes ago, layzie said:

I may be wrong or with the best elephant memory ever, but I seem to recall Port losing to North by over 100 points in 04?

AFL Tabes says it was 92 points.