3 minutes ago, Young Blood said:

Unlike the other top teams we don't have any genuine class outside mids like the Daicos or McLuggage who are two of the most effective kicks inside 50 as well as hitting the scoreboard. Both are genuine outside mids. I suppose Gus and Trac would be our two but both are very inconsistent with their kicking.

Tracc, Clarry and Max were our three worst in terms of kicks inside 50 to score ratio.

Not sure where Gus ranked but i doubt he set the work on fire in that area. 

Our best?

Nibbla.  

1 hour ago, TRIGON said:

My bad

Not yours, Trigo; Closed Captions and a softly spoken (under great duress!) Tim Lamb.

Lloyd Bridges: that's how to evolve a career! 🤣

1 hour ago, Demonsone said:

Liam Henry to the saints …. We are so proactive in reinvigorating the list with thus far a ruckman who couldn’t get a game at the lions…. What’s their strategy … Cleary front half issues yet virtually zero trades …. 

I have to agree. Two premiership players and an AA out the door. Another premiership player retirees, and so far we have a young ruckman that Lion’s fans couldn’t wait to see the back of. Supposedly this was going to be a massive trade period for us. Even if we land McAdam, the list has not improved one bit and the Casey stocks are almost bare 

3 minutes ago, binman said:

Tracc, Clarry and Max were our three worst in terms of kicks inside 50 to score ratio.

Not sure where Gus ranked but i doubt he set the work on fire in that area. 

Our best?

Nibbla.  

Haha the old whipping boy eh. I remember those days. We need more Nibbla's!

33 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Issue we have Petty & Melksham both injured & the latter want be back until late in the season, Tmac & BB it’s gone passed them & if they can get on the ground, so what’s left Shache… that’s right he was better than Grundy …. either we’re just not a destination clubs or our recruiting & coaches are asleep at the wheel 
 

We have not been a destination club for good forwards since BBB came across (surely no one would deny he was not important to our flag season?). But we have been a destination club for backs, rucks and wings over the last 5 years or so: May, Lever, Langdon and Grundy

7 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

I have to agree. Two premiership players and an AA out the door. Another premiership player retirees, and so far we have a young ruckman that Lion’s fans couldn’t wait to see the back of. Supposedly this was going to be a massive trade period for us. Even if we land McAdam, the list has not improved one bit and the Casey stocks are almost bare 

Did anyone from the club state this, or is it a media and Demonland myth?

That we have been moving up the draft board indicates we plan to focus our resources on draft night

Edited October 16, 20231 yr by Stiff Arm

 

For those still believing its solely on our forward line the issues. The glaringly obvious stats as evidence it was mostly our disposals inside were that we were no.1 for inside 50's (great!). However we ranked 17th for both disposal and kicking efficiency. That was for the season. As for the last five games of the season guess who was dead last in both categories..... 👿

2 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

Did anyone from the club state this, or is it a media and Demonland myth?

Where’s all the money going from the freed up cap space?

10 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

I have to agree. Two premiership players and an AA out the door. Another premiership player retirees, and so far we have a young ruckman that Lion’s fans couldn’t wait to see the back of. Supposedly this was going to be a massive trade period for us. Even if we land McAdam, the list has not improved one bit and the Casey stocks are almost bare 

Alternate words/thinking. We have cleared 3 players not in our best 23 who require salaries commensurate with players in your best 23.

Who has been traded thus far to a club who you think we should have taken for the cost? 

Matt Flynn is the only one I can think of and if I was Matt Flynn I would choose being clear first ruck now at West Coast over being back up for Gawn for at least the next 2 years (which he would then be 10 years in the system).

You can only trade for whats available then need to have them agree based on something you think is fair and reasonable and then in some instances get their club to agree to clear the way.

 

Edited October 16, 20231 yr by Lil_red_fire_engine

10 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Where’s all the money going from the freed up cap space?

Neither you nor I know the answer to this. Maybe there is no huge cap space

Perhaps the recent long term re-signings are back loaded to 2024 and beyond. Perhaps we have another re-signing to do over summer that involves more money (eg JVR, Petty, Bowey?). Perhaps Harmes was not on that much for 2024.

It's all guess work and assumptions from us, KITP!

Edited October 16, 20231 yr by Stiff Arm

5 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

What was also said is that Taylor believes that the difference in quality between 14 and 11 was quite significant, which is indicated by the price paid to move those picks.

IOW, there's someone we want who'll be there at 11 but not at 14.

31 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Two premiership players and an AA out the door.

Being a premiership player doesn't make you a star or give you protected species status.

Plenty of ordinary players have played in premiership teams.  Exhibit A:  Billy Frampton.

19 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Being a premiership player doesn't make you a star or give you protected species status.

Plenty of ordinary players have played in premiership teams.  Exhibit A:  Billy Frampton.

C'mon. 1 Kick and 1 Handball....but gee they were beauties

39 minutes ago, Young Blood said:

 

For those still believing its solely on our forward line the issues. The glaringly obvious stats as evidence it was mostly our disposals inside were that we were no.1 for inside 50's (great!). However we ranked 17th for both disposal and kicking efficiency. That was for the season. As for the last five games of the season guess who was dead last in both categories..... 👿

Correct this was by far the biggest issue and converting the chances when they presented. 

I think our forward line is more than capable, just need to work on creating space/separation give our mids easier targets, maybe upgrading our forwards coach is the way to go?

36 minutes ago, bing181 said:

IOW, there's someone we want who'll be there at 11 but not at 14.

I don't think it's 'someone', but rather that there are a range of players. Taylor has said that he thinks of the draft in tiers/groups of talented players that he'd be happy to select from. He clearly sees this the cutoff of a talent tier as being between picks 11 and 14, and he'd rather get a chance to select one of the good players rather than one of the other players.

3 hours ago, BrisbaneDemon said:

I agree wholeheartedly mate, the she’ll be right attitude of posters above or go again with what we have and “hope” for improvement is a head scratcher.

The thing is BD we don’t have our hands on the controls and what is the benefit of constant handwringing and constant criticism of our recruitment team and club.

1 hour ago, Young Blood said:

 

For those still believing its solely on our forward line the issues. The glaringly obvious stats as evidence it was mostly our disposals inside were that we were no.1 for inside 50's (great!). However we ranked 17th for both disposal and kicking efficiency. That was for the season. As for the last five games of the season guess who was dead last in both categories..... 👿

That was the season that was 2023

1 hour ago, Young Blood said:

 

For those still believing its solely on our forward line the issues. The glaringly obvious stats as evidence it was mostly our disposals inside were that we were no.1 for inside 50's (great!). However we ranked 17th for both disposal and kicking efficiency. That was for the season. As for the last five games of the season guess who was dead last in both categories..... 👿

That maybe true but when we did have the opportunity in front of the big sticks we were mostly putrid. That’s where a good goal kicking forward comes into play. 

It’s prob a more combined issue that I bloody hope gets addressed this off-season. 

Saints offered Paddy Dow a 3 year contract, but won't give Carlton pick 56 for him.

Wow!

Oh, I just remembered, SOS is the Saint's list manager and we know his feelings about Carlton.

1 hour ago, Stiff Arm said:

We have not been a destination club for good forwards since BBB came across (surely no one would deny he was not important to our flag season?). But we have been a destination club for backs, rucks and wings over the last 5 years or so: May, Lever, Langdon and Grundy

More frustration than anything .. overall recruiting has been great yielding us premiership defence & late pics turned into gems…BB lasted 1/2 a season before succumbing to knee issues….our last recognised gun forward was Neitz who retired in 08 .. Hogan could have been the one but… not sure why we can’t find them 

10 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Saints offered Paddy Dow a 3 year contract, but won't give Carlton pick 56 for him.

Wow!

Oh, I just remembered, SOS is the Saint's list manager and we know his feelings about Carlton.

And he is a complete [censored]!

On 14/10/2023 at 20:28, chook fowler said:

Let’s hold a referendum 

At least it would be unlikely to cost $450 million!

Edited October 16, 20231 yr by Great Northern Summer

2 hours ago, Young Blood said:

 

For those still believing its solely on our forward line the issues. The glaringly obvious stats as evidence it was mostly our disposals inside were that we were no.1 for inside 50's (great!). However we ranked 17th for both disposal and kicking efficiency. That was for the season. As for the last five games of the season guess who was dead last in both categories..... 👿

Disposals inside 50 are [censored] due to forward structure, leading patterns and the forwards not moving anywhere near enough to create space. 
 

I used to think the same as you until I went to a few live games and saw the whole field. Living in Brisbane it’s not always easy. 

9 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

And he is a complete [censored]!

SOS is too cool to even clap or cheer his own son. What a f log of a human. 

Edited October 16, 20231 yr by MoeSyzlak
F log isn’t a swear word nerds!

28 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Saints offered Paddy Dow a 3 year contract, but won't give Carlton pick 56 for him.

Wow!

Oh, I just remembered, SOS is the Saint's list manager and we know his feelings about Carlton.

More importantly, he likely knows Carlton’s true feeling towards Dow, i.e. how many are ahead of him in line for his role, and if no other club wants him in a trade this year, they’ll happily delist him.