Have to wonder what we can afford to offer Kozzie vs what other clubs will throw at him, if we bring in Grundy now even with pies paying a chunk I wouldn’t think we could afford to pay kozzie more than 500, I’d expect some clubs to offer near a mill (see Rankine this year) even without any go home factor that would be hard to ignore. 

Edited September 16, 20222 yr by Garbo

 

Kozzie is very close to his uncle, Byron Pickett a Port premiership player who lives in SA.  iirc the Pickett family took him in hence why he has Pickett in his double surname and why he lived in SA prior to being drafted.

imv he is our #1 priority to recontract and the soon the better.  Not many like him and his x factor is almost irreplaceable .

He is one of the few players that gets the crowd on their feet making noise whenever he goes near the ball or starts a chase.

It isn't this year that I am worried about.  It is next year when he comes out of contract. 

Edited September 16, 20222 yr by Lucifers Hero

  On 16/09/2022 at 03:27, Garbo said:

Have to wonder what we can afford to offer Kozzie vs what other clubs will throw at him, if we bring in Grundy now even with pies paying a chunk I wouldn’t think we could afford to pay kozzie more than 500, I’d expect some clubs to offer near a mill (see Rankine this year) even without any go home factor that would be hard to ignore. 

Well if that’s the case, I’d pass on Grundy and ensure we save the $$ for Kozzy or attracting others (like a key forward). Though I do think Kozzy is one bloke who isn’t motivated by the $$. It will be about intangibles like his feeling of belonging, mateship, his partner, family and support.  

So Pickett’s no different to about 100 players out of contract next year that teams have interest in. Glad we cleared that up. 

  On 16/09/2022 at 03:52, Lucifers Hero said:

Kozzie is very close to his uncle, Byron Pickett a Port premiership player who lives in SA.  iirc the Pickett family took him in hence why he has Pickett in his double surname and why he lived in SA prior to being drafted.

imv he is our #1 priority to recontract and the soon the better.  Not many like him and his x factor is almost irreplaceable .

He is one of the few players that gets the crowd on their feet making noise whenever he goes near the ball or starts a chase.

It isn't this year that I am worried about.  It is next year when he comes out of contract. 

That's right. I could care less about people saying he'll remain with us for 2023, we need a long term contract in place.

  On 15/09/2022 at 10:46, CYB said:

Kozzy had some special games kicking bags of goals and doing some great pressure acts.

But equally would go missing in large parts of games for weeks on end. 

I recall countless discussions in game day threads this year where many were calling for him to be dropped not for a lack of scoring goals but not doing the simple effort based defensive work.

Don’t have to agree with me, but that is how I see it. 

 

It’s amazing with supporters as soon as a player maybe traded we always find fault in them.

Would be an absolute disaster if we lost Jacko & Kozzie in consecutive years

  On 16/09/2022 at 03:56, layzie said:

That's right. I could care less about people saying he'll remain with us for 2023, we need a long term contract in place.

I couldn’t.

  On 16/09/2022 at 05:09, Fanatique Demon said:

I couldn’t.

Americans say "could care less"

Australians say "couldn't care less"

Both have the same sentiment.

  On 16/09/2022 at 05:09, Fanatique Demon said:

I couldn’t.

"I could care less" and "I couldn't care less" are both informal, interchangeable phrases used to say the pretty much the same thing.

Edited September 16, 20222 yr by layzie

lol Channel 7

 

  On 16/09/2022 at 03:56, layzie said:

That's right. I could care less about people saying he'll remain with us for 2023, we need a long term contract in place.

 

  On 16/09/2022 at 05:09, Fanatique Demon said:

I couldn’t.

 

  On 16/09/2022 at 06:09, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Americans say "could care less"

Australians say "couldn't care less"

Both have the same sentiment.

 

  On 16/09/2022 at 06:47, layzie said:

"I could care less" and "I couldn't care less" are both informal, interchangeable phrases used to say the pretty much the same thing.

I hope this puts the matter to rest.

  On 16/09/2022 at 06:52, Demonland said:

lol Channel 7

 

Swap Duursma with Rozee or Butters and we might have a conversation.

 

  On 16/09/2022 at 06:52, Demonland said:

lol Channel 7

 

Give me duursma, georgiatis and sinn; that will get Tim Lamb on the phone. Hanging up ok that offer. 

They just lost Gray.They got no one.

  On 16/09/2022 at 06:52, Demonland said:

lol Channel 7

 

Yeah no. Not even if they swapped in Butters for Duursma, would I do it

  On 16/09/2022 at 07:46, Demon Disciple said:

Yeah no. Not even if they swapped in Butters for Duursma, would I do it

Agree. Butters is a very good footballer, but is best suited as an on-baller. He doesn't replace Kozzie .

  On 16/09/2022 at 06:52, Demonland said:

lol Channel 7

 

It’s funny the amount of people in the comments saying port would be paying overs..

What has Duursma done other than being known for a cringe goal celebration 

If Port offer Kossie a big enough deal then he and his manager would have to at least consider what's on offer

From there, who knows?  We might have to come to the party with a decent contract offer and/or entertain the thought of trading him

We could do nothing and make him play out his final year of his contract but eventually, we're going to have to pay him a decent amount to keep him

It might come down to Kossie accepting unders with us (in relation to being paid overs at Port)  Or go for the overs

Way different circumstances but Gysberts, Martin & Morton were all traded despite all 3 players having a year left on their contracts

So contracts are binding to a point

If a player wants out (like LJ) what does a club do?  Kossie or his manager haven't made any demands or asked for a trade but you'd imagine that we would have tried to extend his contract.  And there's one year left on the existing contract

  On 16/09/2022 at 08:35, Macca said:

If Port offer Kossie a big enough deal then he and his manager would have to at least consider what's on offer

From there, who knows?  We might have to come to the party with a decent contract offer and/or entertain the thought of trading him

We could do nothing and make him play out his final year of his contract but eventually, we're going to have to pay him a decent amount to keep him

It might come down to Kossie accepting unders with us (in relation to being paid overs at Port)  Or go for the overs

Way different circumstances but Gysberts, Martin & Morton were all traded despite all 3 players having a year left on their contracts

So contracts are binding to a point

If a player wants out (like LJ) what does a club do?  Kossie or his manager haven't made any demands or asked for a trade but you'd imagine that we would have tried to extend his contract.  And there's one year left on the existing contract

Those 3 were all potatoes who we were happy to trade away.

Losing Kossie would be horrific.

  On 16/09/2022 at 03:27, Garbo said:

Have to wonder what we can afford to offer Kozzie vs what other clubs will throw at him, if we bring in Grundy now even with pies paying a chunk I wouldn’t think we could afford to pay kozzie more than 500, I’d expect some clubs to offer near a mill (see Rankine this year) even without any go home factor that would be hard to ignore. 

Gross hyperbole. 
 

Pickett is worth nowhere near $1m per year. That’s insane. 
 

If he can get that, he should take it and run. $500k is worth close to what he’d get on an open market. 

  On 16/09/2022 at 06:52, Demonland said:

lol Channel 7

 

When (no, if...) Duursma ever kicks 40+ goals in consecutive years, we might have a convo 

  On 16/09/2022 at 06:52, Demonland said:

lol Channel 7

 

This is a wind up. Surely

  On 16/09/2022 at 09:35, BDA said:

This is a wind up. Surely

didn't "fake trade" give you a hint? 🤣

  On 16/09/2022 at 09:14, ding said:

Losing Kossie would be horrific.

Yes, way different circumstances for Gysberts, Martin & Morton (all in the same year too) but one year left on a contract can work the other way.  Not sure we necessarily hold a strong hand but we certainly do not need another year of speculation.  Will he, won't he

In an ideal world Kossie re-signs asap but if not, do we make the best of the situation and cut out a year of speculation?

I tend to think that if Kossie is on the move then it will happen in this trade period.  If not, he'll re-sign before the start of next season in my view.  But who knows?

Opinion was divided on LJ for the most part but by the end of the season there were very few here who believed he was staying

Money is a big factor that many want to put aside (or ignore) ... but often it is about the money.  Opportunist clubs making tempting offers for players who might want out

Look at how so many Victorian clubs have swooped on players wanting out at clubs like GWS & Gold Coast?  And we are amongst those clubs (Lever, Langdon (?) May, Hibberd, Melksham etc)

Edited September 16, 20222 yr by Macca