CHANGES: Rd 20 vs Fremantle

[Ham 741]

Out: Tomlinson, Spargo
In: Lever, Chandler

[Demon3 2,541]

I think we are cooked. I really do, dont want it to be true. 

As well as players being out of form, i think the coaches are. That was really strange last night.

Think Chandler needs to come in. Obviously Lever. Tomlinson tries, but he is just a shadow of his former self. Steven May thrashed Naughton, but still made bad judgement errors, and watching him closely at teh ground last night, i think he was to demonstrative to team mates, especially Gus, it was pretty ordinary i thought.

Salem is out of whack, minimal impact. Gawn, again he tried, but he was soundly beaten around teh ground, again, coaching is an issue, Jackson should actually have juts went everywhere English did. Trac had some amazing impact touches, but he was quiet.

Jackson is having a very ordinary season. He should take the 1Mill plus on offer and go.

Angus was great, but his turnovers cost us 3 goals.

Im not into the Harmes hate, he tries, you need players like that.

Kozzi was good. Weed was good first half.

Fritsch i thought was great, but defensively lazy at times.

Spargs touches were good, but 10 is simply not enough and it hasnt been enough for teh majority of the year.

Langdon isnt the player since his ribs injury.

Clayton, Jack and Harry - our 3 week to week players you can count on at the moment.

The dream for back to back is over, but lets hope we dont just totally implode.

 

In:

Chandler / Lever /

out:

Tomlinson / Spargo

 

 

[DeeZee 7,397]

I think we need to find a way to get Bowey into  that side .

We were badly beaten when the ball hit the ground in the Dogs forward line and we just don’t seem to have that small mop up sweeper

Edited July 24, 2022 by DeeZee

[Demon3 2,541]

2 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

I think we need to find a way to get Bowey into  that side .

We were badly beaten when the ball hit the ground in the Dogs forward line and we just don’t seem to have that small mop up sweeper

I agree, he was quiet, but right now, i would take Bowey over Salem. Christian is a very good player, but he has not got going at all. I think when he came back it unsettled Boweys role. 

[mo64 5,875]

3 hours ago, deanox said:

Id like to reward Chandler too but who would he come in for? I feel it's Pickett, ANB or Spargo he is competing with:

Pickett kicked 6 last week and 2 last night. He is inconsistent but he has absolute star quality and is so dangerous, he threatens to take every game apart. I can't see him being dropped.

ANB plays a high coverage, high pressure, link up half forward role. I don't know if Chandler has that sort of endurance or aerobic capacity?

Spargo feels to me like he has been down on form, but I'm not sure if that is just because he is averaging less goals per game? He is actually up on score involvements, goal assists, inside 50s, disposals and marks than previous seasons. I think he is playing higher up the ground than before which is continuing to less goals. That isn't where Chandler will play.

Melksham is most likely as he is the last in the team and didn't provide the obvious defensive efforts last night that he did last week. But he had 9 score involvements from 9 disposals, including kicking 2.1 and a goal assist. That isn't a bad return for a fringe player taking his chances.

When Bedford was in the team, Spargo was playing further up the ground, so I can cut him slack for averaging less goals. But his possession numbers should have dramatically increased, which they haven't. He just doesn't get involved enough, wherever he plays. I haven't been a Chandler fan, but his form at VFL is hard to argue with. He even takes marks on the lead, not that we utilise that option much. He must get rewarded, and Spargo is the obvious one to get dropped.

[loges 6,767]

11 hours ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

He had 5 goals kicked on him

Many saying Petty was on Jamara so which was it?

[bush demon 2,041]

13 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

I think we are cooked. I really do, dont want it to be true. 

As well as players being out of form, i think the coaches are. That was really strange last night.

Think Chandler needs to come in. Obviously Lever. Tomlinson tries, but he is just a shadow of his former self. Steven May thrashed Naughton, but still made bad judgement errors, and watching him closely at teh ground last night, i think he was to demonstrative to team mates, especially Gus, it was pretty ordinary i thought.

Salem is out of whack, minimal impact. Gawn, again he tried, but he was soundly beaten around teh ground, again, coaching is an issue, Jackson should actually have juts went everywhere English did. Trac had some amazing impact touches, but he was quiet.

Jackson is having a very ordinary season. He should take the 1Mill plus on offer and go.

Angus was great, but his turnovers cost us 3 goals.

Im not into the Harmes hate, he tries, you need players like that.

Kozzi was good. Weed was good first half.

Fritsch i thought was great, but defensively lazy at times.

Spargs touches were good, but 10 is simply not enough and it hasnt been enough for teh majority of the year.

Langdon isnt the player since his ribs injury.

Clayton, Jack and Harry - our 3 week to week players you can count on at the moment.

The dream for back to back is over, but lets hope we dont just totally implode.

 

In:

Chandler / Lever /

out:

Tomlinson / Spargo

 

 

Well considered. Need to look at through the wider lense, we were up and about for a season and a half, now mental fatigue showing. To misquote Shakespeare: "My kingdom for a one-grab clunker" (up forward).

[loges 6,767]

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

Haven’t had the pleasure of seeing the full game but where I’d be thinking for changes:

1. Chandler had a ripper in the VFL whilst in the seniors we laid 0 tackles inside 50. 
 

2. Lever returns if fit. 
 

3. From Goodwin’s presser I’m not confident Brown will be ready next week. 
 

4. This will be our second consecutive 6-day break and long flight between games. We got overrun this week. Anyone who isn’t fully fit shouldn’t be playing. So if Jordon has a knee concern, don’t risk him, and bring back Hunt or Bowey and move Gus to the wing. 

How does a player that's been named in the side not be fit for the following week 

[Brownie 5,981]

10 hours ago, layzie said:

Changes are becoming less relevant, we need to get back to doing what we do.

Lever in, Tommo out. 

After seeing Chandler today I'd love to see him get a shot but not going to put any bets on it.

Chandler seems to be the form player at Casey at the moment.

Really running and tackling hard.

Who do you take out?

Melksham? Not likely

Harmes? Spargo? Not likely either.

We really need two talls up forward. If we play with just BB or Weid by themselves, they just get smashed.

If BB hasn't recovered, then maybe give JVR a run.

JJ may need a rest. Hopefully Lever will be back in.

I thought we played a pretty good first half. Our forward entries are generally still garbage though.

I think we've got two major problems.

1. We're not as fit as last year

 AND

 2. Teams have worked out how to spread use the corridor and switch play to beat us.

We have the talent, not sure we have adjusted our strategy to counter the switching and centre corridor use by the oppo.

If players are carrying injuries, they really shouldn't be getting selected.

IN - fit players and a new strategy

OUT - unfit players and the same down the line BS

[Willmoy1947 4,096]

If you were a player at MFC  and were told it's all about Finals would you hold your possie or go at it like he'll. That should not be the go.

[Redleg 40,944]

14 minutes ago, loges said:

Many saying Petty was on Jamara so which was it?

I saw Petty on him a lot. I thought Tommy was ok. Played on Bruce and killed him.

[Deeoldfart 8,033]

I wrote the following about JVR in the Casey thread:

"JVR was solid in conditions that didn’t suit. His competitiveness, willingness to put his body on the line, and bring others into the play, are all attributes we currently don’t have forward of centre in the ‘ones’. Low possessions, but he didn’t do his chances any harm."

It might be a bit soon, but given our need for another tall forward, I'd take a punt, in tandem with either BBB or Weid.

Edited July 24, 2022 by Deeoldfart

[Swooper1987 3,322]

Geez.  The criticism of Gawn on here is beyond ridiculous.  15 hit outs to advantage is almost unheard of.  25 disposals for a ruckman, 8 marks - 3 contested and a huge number of score involvements.  English is a good player and played a good game and that can happen - Gawn v Goldstein over the years has often seen both play well.  The reason we did so well in centre clearance, and scored so heavily from it was because of Gawn's dominance.  Maybe you couldn't see it on TV (I haven't seen the telecast) but at the ground it was obvious.  

[DeeSpencer 25,717]

3 minutes ago, Swooper1987 said:

Geez.  The criticism of Gawn on here is beyond ridiculous.  15 hit outs to advantage is almost unheard of.  25 disposals for a ruckman, 8 marks - 3 contested and a huge number of score involvements.  English is a good player and played a good game and that can happen - Gawn v Goldstein over the years has often seen both play well.  The reason we did so well in centre clearance, and scored so heavily from it was because of Gawn's dominance.  Maybe you couldn't see it on TV (I haven't seen the telecast) but at the ground it was obvious.  

He had a great first half but resorted to grabbing it from the ruck or whacking it forward to no one in the last quarter. It was hero ball kind of stuff when we needed composure and to stick to the basics. 
 

That said, he could probably read that Oliver was unable to handball on his right and most of the midfield were running on empty after last week.

[DeeSpencer 25,717]

Spargo would get more possessions - and hear my out on this, I know it’s an unusual ideal - his team mates actually kicked to him.

The Harmes howler. Fritsch of half time. So many examples of Spargs making great position and being unsighted or skill errors not finding him. 

[adonski 12,178]

1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

Spargo would get more possessions - and hear my out on this, I know it’s an unusual ideal - his team mates actually kicked to him.

The Harmes howler. Fritsch of half time. So many examples of Spargs making great position and being unsighted or skill errors not finding him. 

SparGoat is a victim of our bomb it long style of play

Can't drop our best kick

[Fat Tony 5,232]

Not the time for wholesale changes for me. We were pretty good and unlucky to be beaten by a team which played their best. Lever for Tomlinson would be the only change. The forward line functioned better with Weideman. 

[chook fowler 19,459]

I thought Salem lifted in the second half - will improve over time. Sparrow was great in the first half - can’t understand calls for him to be dropped. Pleased for Weed and Melksham, the loss certainly wasn’t down to them. 
Tomlinson and Rivers seem most vulnerable. 
Langdon had a down day and isn’t the same since coming back from injury. 

[Older demon 2,741]

To take on Free as Richmond did and probably should have won you need manic pressure in the forward line, that is currently lacking. 

Free are quick and run it out of the backline if not pressured they deliver it but under Richmond's pressure they turned it over. Again forward line pressure. The Free calls are good overhead and missed Lobb. The last time we played them they killed us in the air. 

Lever must come in and I think it was Petty on Ugle-Hagen and naughty and Bruce were not sited.

I suspect BBB will not be ready and it is a long plane trip. One of the backs must go forward as a marking target and play defensively. The Gawn/Jackson forward combo isn't working well enough.

Lever returns, I would like to see Hunt or Chandler in. I think Jordan may struggle to get up on the 6 day break. Petty goes forward but not sure who else goes out.

[loges 6,767]

29 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

He had a great first half but resorted to grabbing it from the ruck or whacking it forward to no one in the last quarter. It was hero ball kind of stuff when we needed composure and to stick to the basics. 
 

That said, he could probably read that Oliver was unable to handball on his right and most of the midfield were running on empty after last week.

Would help if half forwards actually played in front for the quick kick out of the centre. Caught behind time after time 

[deanox 9,931]

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

Don’t reckon we can keep carrying Spargo each week. Doesn’t score and now his pressure and tackling has dropped off. 

maybe he needs to freshen up at Casey 

I'm not saying Spargo is playing well - I felt his impact had been down. But other than "goals scored" his stats are actually up on last year:

Stat: 2022 v 2021

Disposals: 12.6 v 11.5

DE%: 69.9% v 70.7%

Marks: 4.4 v 3.4

Inside 50s: 3.2 v 2.2

Metres gained: 212 v 187

F50 ground ball gets: 1.2 v 1.2

Goals: 0.3 v 0.7

Shots at goal: 1.0 v 1.6

GA: 0.8 v 0.6

Score Involvements: 4.6 v 4.4

Tackles: 2.5 v 2.4

Tackles i50: 0.9 v 1.0

Pressure Acts: 11.8 v 10.8

 

I actually think that Spargo's lack of goals is a direct result of the poor performance of our tall forwards.

Without TMac, and with BBB struggling to impact games consistently, Spargo has been forced to play higher up the ground to offer options. This has resulted in more marks, more uncontested possessions, more inside 50s, a higher kick/handball ratio, and more metres gained, but less shots at goal because on average he is further away from goal than last year.

I'm not sure that swapping Chandler for Spargo fixes this. (As much as I think Chandler deserves a go)

 

 

 

 

Edited July 24, 2022 by deanox

[DubDee 25,894]

2 minutes ago, deanox said:

I'm not saying Spargo is playing well - I felt his impact had been down. But other than "goals scored" his stats are actually up on last year:

Stat: 2022 v 2021

Disposals: 12.6 v 11.5

DE%: 69.9% v 70.7%

Marks: 4.4 v 3.4

Inside 50s: 3.2 v 2.2

Metres gained: 212 v 187

F50 ground ball gets: 1.2 v 1.2

Goals: 0.3 v 0.7

Shots at goal: 1.0 v 1.6

GA: 0.8 v 0.6

Score Involvements: 4.6 v 4.4

Tackles: 2.5 v 2.4

Tackles i50: 0.9 v 1.0

Pressure Acts: 11.8 v 10.8

 

I actually think that Spargo's lack of goals is a direct result of the poor performance of our tall forwards.

Without TMac, and with BBB struggling to impact games consistently, Spargo has been forced to play higher up the ground to offer options. This has resulted in more marks, more uncontested possessions, more inside 50s, a higher kick/handball ratio, and more metres gained, but less shots at goal because on average he is further away from goal than last year.

I'm not sure that swapping Chandler for Spargo fixes this.

 

 

 

 

Interesting…

thanks

[Redleg 40,944]

40 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Spargo would get more possessions - and hear my out on this, I know it’s an unusual ideal - his team mates actually kicked to him.

The Harmes howler. Fritsch of half time. So many examples of Spargs making great position and being unsighted or skill errors not finding him. 

Agree. 

[Maldonboy38 6,403]

Apart from our default defensive strategy operating at 70% efficiency or less and some players making uncharacteristic howlers, we are in the same position as last year. We lost a close game to the Doggies and had a few of our weaknesses exposed. As frustrating as this is I just don't get the ranting about this player or that.

With 4 rounds to go, all finals aspirants should be shuffling and sifting towards their best 25 players to shape their finals campaign. For me we need to begin locking in our starting structural set up:

• 2 talls as our F50 spine
• Make the call between Bowey, Rivers or Hunt as our preferred 6th starting defender.
• Move Brayshaw back to the wing so that our starting midfield is Gawn, Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Langdon and Brayshaw.
• In almost every game this year, one (or more) of ANB, Spargo or Kozzie have played really badly. IF one of them is to be dropped, Chandler comes in and he stays in like Bowey did last year. 

So for Dees v Freo

OUT: Tomlinson, Rivers

IN: Lever, Hunt

But apart from the structure and personnel I would like to see the burning angry defensive grunt we saw last year possess every player so no more scores against us over 65 points. 

[MrFreeze 1,966]

I think Salem is suffering because Angus is playing that interceptor/outlet role. JJ is also playing well on the wing which makes it hard to shift gus back there. 

I wonder if Gus could find a place in the forward mid mix, I think his neat disposal could be utilised there.