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3 More Years for Chris Scott

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20 hours ago, Maldonboy38 said:

I actually think he is a very good coach. The players love him, his leaders play for him, and the young players are devoted to him in a way Clarry, Trac and Brayshaw are to Goodwin at the Dees. His record is very good, but their striving for success has a very hard outer limit, especially in 2 ways:

Game style. The chip and charge, incremental "game of inches" requires a skill set that the Cats under Mark Thompson might have got away with (amazing skills those teams). But even those cats of 07 09 and 11 did not chip and charge, they flung it around with breathtakingly quick handballs and kicks. The chip and charge method comes unstuck under fierce pressure and clearly struggles in the finals campaigns.

List management/recruiting. If bringing in elite older talent to support your list is not your main strategy, it can work. Hawks 2013 - 2015, Dees 2021. But if it dominates your strategy and costs you young draft picks, and even the young talent you do get are starved of opportunity, it is a dream killer. Higgins was a recent terrible decision, and even now they have decided to keep Gary Rohan. Bewildering. 


How about culture?

I always found it interesting to hear it lauded externally. 

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    Just a reminder that we played them for 6 hours this year. They were better than us for a whopping 10 minutes. 

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    On 10/10/2021 at 8:21 AM, Cassiew said:

    https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/380365/by-the-numbers-pies-and-cats
     

    1999. The last time they had to play down there. Really? Why do they get this preferential treatment from the AFL? They’re the only team that doesn’t have to wear an alternative strip (changing the position of logos is not alternate.) I can’t remember the last time we didn’t play Geelong in Geelong. So even during their post premiership years they didn’t have to give Geelong a home game. Totally unfair 

    Gate receipts pure and simple. 

    Geelong makes roughly the same money at Kardinia Park with 30k as it does with 60k at the MCG

    Traditionally only Collingwood, Essendon, Richmond and in the past Hawthorn deliver that 60k plus number.

    Come 2022 I would not be surprised if we swap with Hawthorn in the Geelong roadtrip.

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    On 10/9/2021 at 8:19 PM, BoBo said:

    It’s conceivable that by the end of Scott’s 3 years, Geelong will have no:

    Hawkins

    Selwood

    Danger

    Stanley

    Smith

    Thouy

    Blicsavs (will be 34)

    Rohan (will be 33)

    Duncan (will be 33)

    Menegola (will be 33)


    Besides Stanley and Rohan (allergic to finals)… these are superstars or just out and out guns.

    Even Tom Stewart and Cameron will be 32 by the 2025 season. 
     

    I don’t see how they’re not going to fall off a cliff.

    Blicsavs, Rohan, Duncan & Menagola will be in their prime (by Geelong standards) with Stewart & Cameron joining the OAP's a year later. They are gone. AFL need to have some of the bigger clubs play down at "Kitty Litter" ground and by beating Geelong down there their home ground advantage in their heads will go. Down the cliff they go.

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    They’re gifted extra wins cos the 8 interstate clubs play there. Then cellardwellers - North, us (before times) and can pinch a 50-50 win against top clubs on neutral MCG or Etihad. 
    They played in Tas first time this year since 2005 - Covid relocation. 
    Swans actually haven’t lost there since 2015 

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    13 hours ago, MT64 said:

    Blicsavs, Rohan, Duncan & Menagola will be in their prime (by Geelong standards) with Stewart & Cameron joining the OAP's a year later. They are gone. AFL need to have some of the bigger clubs play down at "Kitty Litter" ground and by beating Geelong down there their home ground advantage in their heads will go. Down the cliff they go.

    Yup. 
     

    Weird thing about Scott’s signing is it’s almost guaranteed that season 2024 (Scott’s last year) they’re going to be on the cusp of a total list rebuild. They’ve boxed themselves in for having a tilt next year, which is just, not going to happen. Even if we weren’t as good as we are, I reckon the doggies would have smashed them in a granny this year. They are easily a level above Geelong. 

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    On 10/10/2021 at 11:22 AM, Ethan Tremblay said:

    To be fair, he does do a good job of getting the best out of his list. 

    This.

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    Jeelong win at Jeelong because they have good players, and they generally play well on a soccer field against weak opposition. Has always been thus and don't worry, the worm will turn. 

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    Does anyone know the longest coaching streak at a club without a flag (even if they previously coached one)?  Surely by 2024 Scott, at 13 seasons, would be close. Right now at 10 years has there ever been a coach that lasted that long. 

    A few that come to mind:

    1. Mick Malthouse went 10 seasons at Collingwood.

    2. Neale Daniher - the longest in our drought at 9 full seasons.

    3. Rodney Eade - 7 years.

    4. Ross Lyon - 7 years at Freo

     

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    2 hours ago, Watson11 said:

    Does anyone know the longest coaching streak at a club without a flag (even if they previously coached one)?  Surely by 2024 Scott, at 13 seasons, would be close. Right now at 10 years has there ever been a coach that lasted that long. 

    A few that come to mind:

    1. Mick Malthouse went 10 seasons at Collingwood.

    2. Neale Daniher - the longest in our drought at 9 full seasons.

    3. Rodney Eade - 7 years.

    4. Ross Lyon - 7 years at Freo

     

    Dont know if this is the longest but Jock McHale coached the 1936 premiers and retired at the end of 1949 season.

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    Geelong are showing zero interest in their team's mid-long term success. The board, FD and coaches are belligerently determined to get a flag out of their old heroes to the detriment of the whole club!  I've never seen a club do this to this extent, maybe the Saints of 2011-12 but you could kind of understand this given their flag drought.

    Scott's pride and arrogance is going to leave the Cats on their knees for a decade.  These days you cannot build a list via trade, just look at the players available this year.

    The irony is, if they have of used a few high draft picks over the past 5-6 years rather than trading for Dahlhaus/Higgins etc they would have a much better chance of winning a flag in 2022.

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    5 hours ago, hemingway said:

    God help Geelong. 

    Will end badly. 

    Please, God, don't.    Their arrogance deserves the proper reward, preferably by the Demon, if not the Devil.

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    5 hours ago, hemingway said:

    God help Geelong. 

     

    36 minutes ago, monoccular said:

    Please, God, don't.    Their arrogance deserves the proper reward, preferably by the Demon, if not the Devil.

     

    Yeah, no pulling strings. Let them [censored] it up all by themselves.

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    Their home ground advantage is probably going to prevent them from totally bottoming out and getting their hands on very early picks.  It's also a disadvantage because it's so different from everywhere else it's more difficult to play a universal game style. It's a bit strange that the Cats have gone for a possession based game on the sardine can anyway - it would be harder to execute there - maybe that's the method in Scott's madness ...

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    57 minutes ago, old55 said:

    Their home ground advantage is probably going to prevent them from totally bottoming out and getting their hands on very early picks.

    Does anyone who follow other sports and leagues around the world have another team where there is a similar scenario going on?

    Or are we here in the AFL (and I suspect we are) the only league whereby not all teams play each other twice, and/or multiple teams share one home ground as well as other ground inequities?

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    it's frightening to think the cat's average age will actually increase next year. must be some sort of record

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