On 6/14/2022 at 9:19 AM, JimmyGadson said:

No one is expecting him to dominate. 

Gahd damn Demonland is the place for wild exaggeration. 

If two first round picks (1 inside 5 and one inside 15) are up for grabs then we take and run. 

Genuine marking key forwards are our issue and will be going forward. Stop gap ruckmen are easy to come by and we'll have Gawn for another two or three years. 

Jackson will be a great player. But he will never be worth two top end first rounders. And that's what West Coast will be willing to pay. 

This is about sustained success. Not a flash in the pan grand final. I want to see us compete with the big boys for a number of years. A year of pain won't matter if it gives us multiple future years of flag chances. 

 

Love Jacko, and would love him to stay, but if we want sustained success the conversation will be happening asking Jackson what he wants and if it’s to leave you look after #1 and get the best deal for the club moving forward Oscar Allen and a first round pick gets it done for me.

#1 pick Tom Scully leaving effectively got us Hogan who got us May

AA defender Frawley leaving gets us an extra first rounder seeing us nab Bradshaw and Trac

I dare say Trac, Gus and May were all vitally important in us winning the flag last year.  No player is bigger than the club, keep evolving and improving I have great faith in Jason Taylor making the right decisions

If it came from Sumich it will be 100% incorrect 

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

You missed the fact he is only 20, Rising Star winner, premiership player and without his influence we don’t win the flag.  A generational player.  
I still think he stays short-term but the longer it goes the more nerve racking it gets. 

All of that is irrelevant.  They have a salary cap to keep within, some outstanding young players to pay and pay well and potentially a premiership to win this year.  As I said, it makes no sense. I'm not certain that he's a generational player either, but I guess time will tell.  It's all paper talk.

10.5 over 7 sounds made up and would make him the highest paid player in the afl, but if true dees should take freo to the cleaners you can’t offer that kind of contract and only offer peanuts in a trade. 2 picks in side 5 or there Brayshaw and a pick inside 5, either would the minimum 

I dont care whether he signs or not

If he is happy at Melbourne and we pay him apropriatlely then great

if he is unhappy then let him go but trade hard in return

He is not yet a marquee player and still needs to prove it to me 

we are the premiers and Luke should be very happy we gave him the opportunity. Once in a lifetime player NOT YET!!!

Sumich is trolling Freo. He’s trying to upset the apple cart of uncontracted players at Freo. Funny really.

The offer sounds far to high. They’ll likely offer more then we can but surely won’t be going that high. 

2 hours ago, willmoy said:

Would you be leaving your life long mates for just some more dollars.There are players that are loyal.

It isn't about leaving mates.  They have a bond for life.

It would be about securing his future.  Especially, if the club has asked him (or others) to think about their future beyond their current contracts.  Some might choose to leave before their contract expires if they can get a better long-term outcome.

The club needs to do this to have best 22 spots and sal cap space for the next wave of players.

Edited June 19, 20222 yr by Lucifers Hero

3 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Peter Wright went for a 4th round pick.

Yep him too.

RE a player like Harmes taking the option to go: he wouldn't be on big money and is contracted, so I can't see us sacrificing him. But I could see us saying:

"hey team X are interested in you, and while we don't really want to lose you and would be happy for you to stay and be part of the squad, if you can get an extra 250k per year and 2 years on a contract out of them, you'd be mad not to think about it."

 

I know it is next year, not this year, but it is Oliver I'd be saving the money for, not Jackson.

This must be what it's like reading the Herald Sun. 58 pages in and still no actual news. 

25 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

This must be what it's like reading the Herald Sun. 58 pages in and still no actual news. 

I think Mark Wacko Jacko was the last Jackson to leave the Dees. We hung onto Ricky, he was a beauty. Mind you, Mark hadn't played in a barnstorming, premiership-defining season ...

6 minutes ago, bush demon said:

We hung onto Ricky,

 From Demonwiki:

After six seasons, Jackson walked out on Melbourne before the 1991 finals. Traded to Footscray for the Bulldogs' second pick in the 1991 Draft - which Melbourne used to select Phil Gilbert - Jackson didn't play a senior game at the Bulldogs after breaking his leg in a pre-season match against Richmond.

4 hours ago, DemonWA said:

Strikes me as the sort of bloke who would stay for a pay cut. Heart and soul player 

Yes indeed. He is a Demon

3 hours ago, Kent said:

I dont care whether he signs or not

If he is happy at Melbourne and we pay him apropriatlely then great

if he is unhappy then let him go but trade hard in return

He is not yet a marquee player and still needs to prove it to me 

we are the premiers and Luke should be very happy we gave him the opportunity. Once in a lifetime player NOT YET!!!

I’m in the same camp. He’s had a fine few games and showed us some brilliance on the big dance, but has he grabbed a game by the scruff of the neck this year? Has he even come close? 
 

He is going to be good. But he’s got a long way to go to be a superstar, which is what that money is suggesting (if true of course)

3 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

Sumich is trolling Freo. He’s trying to upset the apple cart of uncontracted players at Freo. Funny really.

That’s a real possibility. I don’t think they can stand another team in the west doing so well when WC are rock bottom. 

2 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

This must be what it's like reading the Herald Sun. 58 pages in and still no actual news. 

At least it's not the Guardian.

Front to back propaganda followed by the "have you considered donating to us yet"?

6 hours ago, faultydet said:

At least it's not the Guardian.

Front to back propaganda followed by the "have you considered donating to us yet"?

Between The Herald Sun's "African Gangs are taking over" and The Guardian's "Everything is offensive" I'd say they're all as bad as one another.

6 hours ago, faultydet said:

At least it's not the Guardian.

Front to back propaganda followed by the "have you considered donating to us yet"?

LOL. Don't say that faulty, that's my daily 'go to' paper to read about what's happening in the UK and Europe. The Times has a subscription fee and no self respecting Scot would ever read the Daily Torygraph. 

If he wants the big money then this period with Gawn out is his perfect opportunity to show his worth to us or to another club should that be his preference. I still feel like he’s staying short term but then I was gullible enough to take Scully at his word that he wanted to be a one club player so I don’t have great form here. 

If a trade were to pop up I would definitely go hard at us getting Brayshaw, they see him as one of their young players to build their team around so let’s see how much they really want LJ. Get big bro Gus in his ear telling him how good the Dees have been to him and that the folks will be happy having him home in Melbourne. 

Ultimately the sum of this isn’t just on his footballing abilities, it’s also the fact that he is a part of our future planning. We got him because we knew that Gawn was coming to the twilight of his career, so we would need compensation not just for the now but for the future. 

Jackson should look long and hard at Tom Boyd's experience.

Wanted to come home and was traded to Bulldogs for a huge sum.  He was taunted by teammates about it and got into fisticuffs over it.  Even tho he was critical in winning their 2016 premiership he left the game a few years later disillusioned and with depression.  He could have been one of the all time greats. 

He was never really part of the team.  Neither was HW$NBN who took the big money.

Not in any way suggesting any of that would happen to Jackson.  But going to Freo where some young gun players, yet to earn decent $, have to sacrifice $ now or in the future to accommodate his contract would take a lot of maturity.  Not sure he has that maturity at this stage. 

Ironically, Jackson played an equally critical role in our 2021 premiership as Boyd did in 2016 at not dissimilar age.

Still think he will stay.

Edited June 20, 20222 yr by Lucifers Hero

4 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Jackson should look long and hard at Tom Boyd's experience.

Wanted to come home and was traded to Bulldogs for a huge sum.  He was taunted by teammates about it and got into fisticuffs over it.  Even tho he was critical in winning their 2016 premiership he left the game a few years later disillusioned and with depression.  He could have been one of the all time greats. 

He was never really part of the team.  Neither was HW$NBN who took the big money.

Not in any way suggesting any of that would happen to Jackson.  But going to Freo where some young gun players, yet to earn decent $, have to sacrifice $ now or in the future to accommodate his contract would take a lot of maturity.  Not sure he has that maturity at this stage. 

Still think he will stay.

Agree with all you’ve said except I think he will leave. 

58 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Jackson should look long and hard at Tom Boyd's experience.

Wanted to come home and was traded to Bulldogs for a huge sum.  He was taunted by teammates about it and got into fisticuffs over it.  Even tho he was critical in winning their 2016 premiership he left the game a few years later disillusioned and with depression.  He could have been one of the all time greats. 

He was never really part of the team.  Neither was HW$NBN who took the big money.

Not in any way suggesting any of that would happen to Jackson.  But going to Freo where some young gun players, yet to earn decent $, have to sacrifice $ now or in the future to accommodate his contract would take a lot of maturity.  Not sure he has that maturity at this stage. 

Still think he will stay.

After what we've seen from those examples you mentioned and heaps more, it doesn't strike as a method for success does it? Ideally you'd want the team built from the ground up rather than the bank breaker that means others down the track leave. 

11 hours ago, Demonstone said:

 From Demonwiki:

After six seasons, Jackson walked out on Melbourne before the 1991 finals. Traded to Footscray for the Bulldogs' second pick in the 1991 Draft - which Melbourne used to select Phil Gilbert - Jackson didn't play a senior game at the Bulldogs after breaking his leg in a pre-season match against Richmond.

I forgot all that!

If this is true not only will Jackson be one of the highest paid players, but the highest paid backup ruckmen.