If he leaves I will be gutted because he will become the best ruck, and one of tbe best players full stop, within 5 years.

Everyone is raving about Tim English  and rightly so, his game had gone to a whole new level this year as his body fills out.

Tim English turns 25 in two months.

Jackson turns 21 in three months.

 

15 hours ago, CYB said:

If LJ does go, do you sign up Goldstein for a season as a short term cover?

He's stated on numerous occasions he wants to be a one club player and has turned down Geelong advances. I don't think he's in the picture. We should be targeting Hayden Young & Rory Lobb (and any pick swaps to be more equitable) or Pick 1 & Jack Darling. Both players can play forward and ruck

Edited June 21, 20222 yr by John Demonic

15 hours ago, CYB said:

If LJ does go, do you sign up Goldstein for a season as a short term cover?

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/06/21/the-young-ruckman-whose-future-may-sit-at-another-club/

With Port Adelaide opting to play Jeremy Finlayson in the ruck, what does the future hold for Sam Hayes?

The 23-year-old ruckman played seven games this year in the absence of Scott Lycett, but has been omitted in favour of makeshift options.

Clubs like Geelong, GWS and Melbourne would likely inquire about adding to their ruck depth, while teams like Hawthorn, Carlton and Sydney have been stretched at the position this season.

10 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

A bit superficial by 'Fantasy Freako'. 

I doubt LJ's role will be to win the hit outs or hit outs to advantage as often Max does.  LJ's role will be stop McInerney from getting clean hits to the ball at stoppages and disrupt their clearance work.  Or he plays to allow our mids to 'shark' McInerney's work.

While talented, Silvagni, Dunkley etc aren't ruckman but they do a pretty good job of enabling stoppage clearances.   And I'm confident LJ will do the same. 

15 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Yes, he is clearly not a recognised tap ruckman. That may come as he fills out over the years and is able to hold his ground better. What he adds is his follow up and presence at stoppage as an extra midfielder.

 The aim of the game is to win stoppage not to win hit outs to advantage.

58 minutes ago, FlashInThePan said:

Yes, he is clearly not a recognised tap ruckman. That may come as he fills out over the years and is able to hold his ground better. What he adds is his follow up and presence at stoppage as an extra midfielder.

 The aim of the game is to win stoppage not to win hit outs to advantage.

I think if he 'fills out' any more his mobility will suffer. He is noticeably bigger this year and he appears to have lost a bit of his spring around the ground

Alan Richardson’s comments on SEN today pointed towards Luke being  more likely to stay than leave, although I wouldn’t be putting the house on it. 

2 hours ago, FlashInThePan said:

Yes, he is clearly not a recognised tap ruckman. That may come as he fills out over the years and is able to hold his ground better. What he adds is his follow up and presence at stoppage as an extra midfielder.

 The aim of the game is to win stoppage not to win hit outs to advantage.

Even with Gawns dominance we have been cleaned up all too often from centre clearances by the opposition. Advantage taps are an irrelevant stat. Most of the time it means giving the opposition heads up to who to tackle and target and seize initiative. 

Edited June 22, 20222 yr by John Crow Batty

 

On 6/21/2022 at 10:26 AM, Demonland said:

He's not the only one. I scour social media for content for discussion on this site so I constantly witness these reporters post contradictory opinions and information within a short space of time. They flip flop back and forth and despite being called out for it in the comments they never change. None of the reporters ever call each other out but that's not surprising. I get the concept of click bait and this tactic is their way of covering all bases to maximise the clicks.

Covering themselves so they get the "click" from either side of the argument depending on what side of the echo chamber they want their opinions reinforced from.

12 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

 

He seemed pretty comfortable about the situation 'Nev', I guess we wait and see...

 

5 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

This is a 10 out of 10 for how you don't want to run a professional football club.

Disrespect one of your employees by offering them "unders" and then turn around and say they 'left for money'. Completely ridiculous.

Unders for Jackson at market value is probably 700-750k. His market value, or what others are willing to pay is possibly upwards of a million a year. I don’t think it’s disrespectful to offer 700-750k. We have Brayshaw OOC, and Oliver next year. We simply cannot afford to lose either. Out of the 3. I’d play hard ball with Jackson. And if he didn’t take 700-750k, the yes, he’d appear to have left for more money.

Edited June 22, 20222 yr by KingDingAling

22 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

Unders for Jackson at market value is probably 700-750k. His market value, or what others are willing to pay is possibly upwards of a million a year. I don’t think it’s disrespectful to offer 700-750k. We have Brayshaw OOC, and Oliver next year. We simply cannot afford to lose either. Out of the 3. I’d play hard ball with Jackson. And if he didn’t take 700-750k, the yes, he’d appear to have left for more money.

Offering him less than what the media has rumoured, and has already been rubbished, is not the same as 'offering him unders', which is what you originally stated.

You make everyone fair offers, sell them on your culture and chances of success along with that. Tough talking, under offering and 'hard ball' will only see you lose players and get a bad reputation.

Start running a club with a 'take it or leave it' approach and your list falls apart real quick.

LJ's relative drop in form is not great for us from the contract renewal aspect.

At year's opening the pitch would have been ... sign on at MFC for 2 or 3 years at a very good salary...enjoy your success and possibly some more premierships... then cross to another club on a mega deal and go from there.

Now Luke might be quietly wondering...Will the mega deal still be there in 3 years?

Getting it wrong might cost him around $7M so I sympathise with his uncertainty.

I know stats aren't the be all and end all but his 2022 is better than his 2021 on most factors.  And 2021 included his finals series.  So not sure why folks think his form has dropped.

#LJ myths

We should be going after De Goey (free agent) if Jackson leaves, then spending the draft capital on talls

Simon 'Dog Whisperer' Goodwin will throw his arm around de Googs and bring out the best in him

7 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

On the plus side, at least he's a top 25 ranked ruckman! 

30 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I know stats aren't the be all and end all but his 2022 is better than his 2021 on most factors.  And 2021 included his finals series.  So not sure why folks think his form has dropped.

#LJ myths

 

I think most on here only judge him on that 10 minute period in the Grand Final! His growth has been understandable given he's a tall, but I think some want young midfield type growth - or otherwise they see him going backwards??

1 hour ago, adonski said:

We should be going after De Goey (free agent) if Jackson leaves, then spending the draft capital on talls

Simon 'Dog Whisperer' Goodwin will throw his arm around de Googs and bring out the best in him

DeGoey is finished.

5 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

DeGoey is finished.

Surely you jest

On 5/30/2022 at 7:38 PM, loges said:

Let's hope so 

He is a great player - yet he is very predictable, too - if we had another two seasons to 'blood' him he could be one of the greats. However, if he goes for the money elsewhere, fairy 'Nuff. A young man needs to take his opportunities.

I am just worried about his loyalty to the MFC; Daisy stayed for example, amongst enormous odds and Jackson just ain't quite in the same league. A demonstration of acute loyalty to the Dees would be first steps towards immortality on the footy field for Jackson. I hope he realises that possibility.  

1 hour ago, adonski said:

We should be going after De Goey (free agent) if Jackson leaves, then spending the draft capital on talls

Simon 'Dog Whisperer' Goodwin will throw his arm around de Googs and bring out the best in him

🤮🤮🤮🤮

De Goey is a grub! 

Edited June 22, 20222 yr by Demons11

Hey guys a bit of sanity here please. Luke is a demon listed player and not a free agent. He cannot leave without our blessing. Freo need to trade for him and they will not have any sort of hand in the draft to satisfy our needs. The only danger would be that West Coast finish last and somehow talk him in to going into the draft. Aint going to happen, the kid has more loyalty than that. Wouldnt shaft the club that made him a premiership player so early in his career. We hold all the cards.