Farewell Luke Jackson

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 hour ago, JimmyGadson said:

You've left out the the myriad of options we'd have use those hypothetical two top 10 picks. Whether it's draft, trade or both, you're completely underestimating the ammunition we'd have.

Jackson is great. Two top 10 picks would be great.

We win.

No I haven't. I finished my post mentioning how unique Jackson is as a player. What player are you suggesting we could trade in that could do the things he does?

We don't automatically win anything. We have a top 10 pick playing tonight who is probably lucky to still be on our list.

Perhaps go and watch the grand final again and tell me how we would have gone with 2 18 year old kids playing instead of Jackson.

 

[Thehardtackler 785]

I don’t see Luke going anywhere else for a while. Just like Hogan he would have to see something at a WA club to jump off and neither team is particularly good right now. Remember we were still struggling when Hogan left but for Jackson we are all success!

[JimmyGadson 3,455]

16 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

No I haven't. I finished my post mentioning how unique Jackson is as a player. What player are you suggesting we could trade in that could do the things he does?

We don't automatically win anything. We have a top 10 pick playing tonight who is probably lucky to still be on our list.

Perhaps go and watch the grand final again and tell me how we would have gone with 2 18 year old kids playing instead of Jackson.

 

 

If a hypothetical came up where he left and we were given two top 10 picks in exchange, I'd be more than comfortable that we'd be able to cover the loss of Luke. Whatever we decided to do with those picks.

It's a win/win because he'd be leaving at the height of his hype and we'd paid handsomely for it.

I think you're just missing the entire point cobba so let's leave it.

 

 

 

[Roost it far 9,543]

53 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

 

If a hypothetical came up where he left and we were given two top 10 picks in exchange, I'd be more than comfortable that we'd be able to cover the loss of Luke. Whatever we decided to do with those picks.

It's a win/win because he'd be leaving at the height of his hype and we'd paid handsomely for it.

I think you're just missing the entire point cobba so let's leave it.

 

 

 

You can’t cover the loss of players like Jackson. He’s a generational talent. 

[JimmyGadson 3,455]

10 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

You can’t cover the loss of players like Jackson. He’s a generational talent. 

Big fellaaaaaa

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

I think I'm the 705th post and about 700 of those (including this one) contain absolutely no useful information on this topic. Just thought I'd state that I, like everyone else, have no inside information on this and will await the final announcement in due course. Yes, the Club should work to sign Jackson (duh) and yes (duh) LJ should do whatever he and his manager think are in his best interests (maybe a 2-year contract extension would make sense at this stage, just in case Melbourne's form unespectedly falls off a cliff). 

Edited April 2, 2022 by Sydney_Demon

[mo64 5,883]

44 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

You can’t cover the loss of players like Jackson. He’s a generational talent. 

Buddy was a proven generational talent, and the Hawks did fine without him. 

[Roost it far 9,543]

45 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

Big fellaaaaaa

Is that the big fella!

[Roost it far 9,543]

5 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Buddy was a proven generational talent, and the Hawks did fine without him. 

We’re not the Hawks I’m afraid

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

5 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Buddy was a proven generational talent, and the Hawks did fine without him. 

Well I guess that's true in the sense they won the 2014 & 2015 Premierships without him and the Swans haven't won a Premiership with him, but I think it's a lot more nuanced than that. You have to look at the effect on salary caps, impact on retaining/losing other key players, marketing the Club (much more important for Sydney rather than Hawthorn) ... 

3 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

We’re not the Hawks I’m afraid

Let's not overstate how good Hawthorn have been in recent times. They were good up until 2016, went out of the Finals in straight sets in 2018, and were ordinary in 2017 & 2019-21. We are not the Hawks of 2013-15 yet but are on the way, with or without LJ (and we definitely have him for this year at least!).

[Lord Nev 13,512]

2 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

 

If a hypothetical came up where he left and we were given two top 10 picks in exchange, I'd be more than comfortable that we'd be able to cover the loss of Luke. Whatever we decided to do with those picks.

It's a win/win because he'd be leaving at the height of his hype and we'd paid handsomely for it.

I think you're just missing the entire point cobba so let's leave it.

I think you're missing the following points:

- Draft picks are not guaranteed to succeed
- Jackson is a completely unique player
- Bringing in two 18 year olds to fill the gap left by Jackson does not suit our list demographic. Our window is now.

But alright digger, let's leave it.

[Ethan Tremblay 31,243]

[dees189227 12,453]

Look obviously I'd love Luke to stay & I hope he does & realises that he is part of a good team but is he worth 1 mill yet. I don't think so. I know other clubs will probably throw that at him.

I just wouldn't want to lose a quality player like a Brayshaw because we'd had to pay a lot to keep Jackson. 

[Stiff Arm 4,419]

Surely it's a given that the Club and every Dees supporter would prefer to keep Dogga if possible. He loves the group and we've had some good re-signings over the last 12-18 months

It's also a given that if Dogga did decide a move to another club we would do the very best we could to maximise our reward from any deal. Of late we have an excellent track record of recruiting/drafting the right players for our list.

Does anyone not have confidence in our FD to achieve one of these outcomes?

At the moment, to me this is all that matters 

The rest is fugazi, as Goody might say

Edited April 2, 2022 by Stiff Arm

[Demon Disciple 12,452]

Dogga is a taller version of Adam Goodes with a better leap. Put him anywhere on the ground and he will dominate. 

[Sydee 4,633]

Next AFL player pay deal must consider revenue drop: McLachlan (msn.com)

I wonder how this commentary influences (if at all) the ongoing negotiations on Luke's and other contract extensions

Also includes a suggestion that the length of contracts may shorten 

[Lucifers Hero 40,524]

Listening to the Yze podcast it sounds like Jackson isn't going anywhere. 

Albeit he didn't mention contracts but he talked quite a bit about his role going forward and supporting Max.  No hesitation or qualifiers at all in that conversation.

[Redleg 41,952]

20 hours ago, Sydee said:

Next AFL player pay deal must consider revenue drop: McLachlan (msn.com)

I wonder how this commentary influences (if at all) the ongoing negotiations on Luke's and other contract extensions

Also includes a suggestion that the length of contracts may shorten 

That headline could promote a few contracts being completed sooner, rather than later.

[mo64 5,883]

3 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Listening to the Yze podcast it sounds like Jackson isn't going anywhere. 

Albeit he didn't mention contracts but he talked quite a bit about his role going forward and supporting Max.  No hesitation or qualifiers at all in that conversation.

I just listened to the podcast, and I don't think you could draw any conclusions based on what Yze said. Where we are at as a club, we will continue to develop a player regardless of whether they are a pending free agent or out of contract.

Times have changed from the Bailey tanking era and when Roos had pending free agent Frawley playing up forward.

[Kozzie4PM 765]

On 4/2/2022 at 11:38 AM, Roost it far said:

We’re not the Hawks I’m afraid

Not yet but let's revisit this in a couple of years 😂

[Diamond_Jim 12,689]

Darcy Moore just signed a 6 year deal at Collingwood. Age 26

He has just come off a 2 year deal at around $850k.

We paid Lever around $800k when he first came over as a 3rd/4th year player so you would have to think that the amount for a 2 year deal for Luke has to be around $800k per year. If that's correct weight it's not hard to see another club mentioning the magical $1M

[Willmoy1947 4,199]

4 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Darcy Moore just signed a 6 year deal at Collingwood. Age 26

He has just come off a 2 year deal at around $850k.

We paid Lever around $800k when he first came over as a 3rd/4th year player so you would have to think that the amount for a 2 year deal for Luke has to be around $800k per year. If that's correct weight it's not hard to see another club mentioning the magical $1M

I would pay Darcy Moore more to stay at Collingwood. It's like watching Mark Jackson playing in the backline. Lever , good comparison plus GF experience too.That said, Luke is not going to go anywhere at least for two years, and I would give him three.WC is a basket case and Freo will not make the eight.

Edited April 7, 2022 by willmoy
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[whatwhat say what 23,451]

6 hours ago, Redleg said:

That headline could promote a few contracts being completed sooner, rather than later.

See: Moore, Darcy

[58er 6,816]

On 4/1/2022 at 11:41 PM, Thehardtackler said:

I don’t see Luke going anywhere else for a while. Just like Hogan he would have to see something at a WA club to jump off and neither team is particularly good right now. Remember we were still struggling when Hogan left but for Jackson we are all success!

Jesse left at the end of 2018 by a mutual agreement situation with the Club really firm on him departing . We were not struggling as the two Finals wins were a great credit to our Club and success looked likely to follow in2019. 

We had no idea of that year evolving with the surgeries and total overall injury problems. 2020 was a solid year of ground work by the Club which set us up for the substantial achievement of the 2021 Premiership and base for further success. 
 

Let's not kid ourselves LJ would be hard to replace as he is a once in a 50 year or generational player and while 2 top 10 picks seems good  compensation they would be unlikely to be a ruckman who could make such an immediate impact as Dogga.

He is clearly rusted on to our team and success, also the Club culture and to Maxy so  2/3 year deal is sensible at his stage of development. 

I'll be surprised if it's any thing different but it would be nice for a long term deal 

The club  are getting things spot on and I am confident that this will be another common sense decision. 

[DubDee 26,306]

The mega deal for Grundy worked so well why not again for Moore

culture is [censored] at the pies. Need to pay overs to keep players. They dug their own grave with handling of Treloar