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Farewell Luke Jackson

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2 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Spot on. I don't understand the hate for Frawley and Howe by many on here. Neither player deserted the club, and both had to endure our darkest times. And both players should be proud of what they've achieved at their new clubs. 

 

I think the really big difference to the instances above is that all of them were negotiated in the context of the Demons never winning, and had not prospect of winning a flag. Now we are the powerhouse, and the clubs most likely to offer extraordinary terms to Luke are WEST COAST and Freo, neither of which have any prospect for a flag in the next 5 years.

 

Having said that, if you are a 21 yo being offered $1m a year for the next 8 years you might consider it. If he stays we are going to have to give up key players (Brayshaw, Neill-Bullen, Fritz) none of whom I would be prepared to give up

Personally, l think he is gone, and we should now think about the compensation, and our back up ruck strength is pretty good.

it is an extraordinary dilemma, and one that comes with great success. If the success continues as we expect it to, it will be an ongoing ever increasing problem - unfortunately!
 

 

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    People talking about Freo and WC.
    How long has Franklin got before Sydney get out the check book for a new franchise player?

     

     

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    2 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

    People talking about Freo and WC.
    How long has Franklin got before Sydney get out the check book for a new franchise player?

     

     

    Hold your hoses. Franklin was an established star when he signed that 10 year deal. LJ is good, but has yet to prove himself to that extent. 

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    1 minute ago, CYB said:

    Hold your hoses. Franklin was an established star when he signed that 10 year deal. LJ is good, but has yet to prove himself to that extent. 

    And Sydney have a plethora of excellent talls. They also have real cap pressures without the COLA. 

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    11 minutes ago, CYB said:

    Hold your hoses. Franklin was an established star when he signed that 10 year deal. LJ is good, but has yet to prove himself to that extent. 

    Blind Freddy can see Jacksons gonna be a superstar.
    There isn't one club in the league who wouldn't snap him up in a heartbeat if they could. 

     

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    28 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

    People talking about Freo and WC.
    How long has Franklin got before Sydney get out the check book for a new franchise player?

    Very good point.  They need someone who is exciting to watch, will draw a crowd and keep the Swans in the news.  Jackson will fit the bill in a couple of years.

    While Jackson's name wasn't mentioned commentators were talking about the next Sydney drawcard.  Heeney is a star and the most likely but they said he isn't 'big' with a commanding presence.  Will any of their 'big' guys develop a commanding presence; it was thought unlikely.  But then what would commentators know.

    Nonetheless, Jackson would fit their bill.  On the verge of being a superstar.  You now have me worried.  I had no fear of the WA clubs but Sydney are a different kettle of fish.  Buddy is likely to play at least another year. 

    A 5 year contract for Jackson to his RFA year now seems much more preferable than just 2 or 3 years.  It will keep all clubs at bay.

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    5 hours ago, Demonstone said:

    Could somebody send me a PM when something actually happens with Jackson's contract?

    Not interested in uninformed opinions, guesses, speculation, bed-wetting or shadow-jumping.

    Don't come back yet D.

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    44 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

     

    Personally, l think he is gone, and we should now think about the compensation, and our back up ruck strength is pretty good.

    it is an extraordinary dilemma, and one that comes with great success. If the success continues as we expect it to, it will be an ongoing ever increasing problem - unfortunately!
     

     

    Jeebers you give up easily…

    Show me one example where LJ has said he wants to go home.. In his own words, not some journalist speculating…

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    48 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

    Personally, l think he is gone, and we should now think about the compensation, and our back up ruck strength is pretty good.

    Just as well that your a poor judge.

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    Well at the end of the 2022 season he's going to have a Coleman, a second premiership and he and Trac will have a Brownlow each, so that'll be a pretty good CV, if he feels he wants to go home after that, he's earned it. 

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    Send him to Freo and grab Hayden Young and and a first rounder

    Send him to Eagles, two first rounder minimum

    Or ideally keep him

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    40 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

    Blind Freddy can see Jacksons gonna be a superstar.
    There isn't one club in the league who wouldn't snap him up in a heartbeat if they could.
     

    Unless another team has a Max Gawn to share the load, Luke is not going anywhere as a franchise player. He's not ready yet.

    Luke will develop slowly and nicely with us until he finds his best position and role. Let's leave him alone and not indulge in these wild speculations.

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    1 hour ago, Dees2014 said:

    I think the really big difference to the instances above is that all of them were negotiated in the context of the Demons never winning, and had not prospect of winning a flag. Now we are the powerhouse, and the clubs most likely to offer extraordinary terms to Luke are WEST COAST and Freo, neither of which have any prospect for a flag in the next 5 years.

     

    Having said that, if you are a 21 yo being offered $1m a year for the next 8 years you might consider it. If he stays we are going to have to give up key players (Brayshaw, Neill-Bullen, Fritz) none of whom I would be prepared to give up

    Personally, l think he is gone, and we should now think about the compensation, and our back up ruck strength is pretty good.

    it is an extraordinary dilemma, and one that comes with great success. If the success continues as we expect it to, it will be an ongoing ever increasing problem - unfortunately!
     

     

    Sorry to have to tell you this D14

    Your MFCSS is incurable

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    "We've had some really good discussions with Luke about his contract and his position at our club moving forward. One thing I know about Luke is he loves his teammates and he loves his footy club. We're really comfortable where it sits with him," Goodwin said.

    I very much doubt this comment is unfounded. For Goody to come out and say this when that wasn't the case would be a huge mistake, and I trust Goody isn't silly enough to do that. 

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    It would seem to make sense for Jackson and the Club to agree on a 2 year deal. That’s assuming Luke wants to stay. It seems improbable the either party would want a long-term deal. Luke because he would want to keep his options open and the Club due to salary cap pressures.  It’s a delicate balance. After another 2 years there may be further room for movement, maybe not.

    It’s would be terrible to lose Luke as it would be to lose any of our stars when their contracts expire. The thought of Oliver or Petracca in opposition jumpers would be real heart sink stuff. 

    However, the Hawks lost Buddy and were able to maintain their list and reap further premiership rewards. How the Club manages all these complexities will be crucial to longer term success and the health of our playing group.  

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    6 minutes ago, hemingway said:

    It would seem to make sense for Jackson and the Club to agree on a 2 year deal. That’s assuming Luke wants to stay.

    1 hour ago, Dees2014 said:

    I think the really big difference to the instances above is that all of them were negotiated in the context of the Demons never winning, and had not prospect of winning a flag. Now we are the powerhouse, and the clubs most likely to offer extraordinary terms to Luke are WEST COAST and Freo, neither of which have any prospect for a flag in the next 5 years.

     

    Having said that, if you are a 21 yo being offered $1m a year for the next 8 years you might consider it. If he stays we are going to have to give up key players (Brayshaw, Neill-Bullen, Fritz) none of whom I would be prepared to give up

    Personally, l think he is gone, and we should now think about the compensation, and our back up ruck strength is pretty good.

    it is an extraordinary dilemma, and one that comes with great success. If the success continues as we expect it to, it will be an ongoing ever increasing problem - unfortunately!
     

     

    It seems improbable the either party would want a long-term deal. Luke because he would want to keep his options open and the Club due to salary cap pressures.  It’s a delicate balance. After another 2 years there may be further room for movement, maybe not.

    It’s would be terrible to lose Luke as it would be to lose any of our stars when their contracts expire. The thought of Oliver or Petracca in opposition jumpers would be real heart sink stuff. 

    However, the Hawks lost Buddy and were able to maintain their list and reap further premiership rewards. How the Club manages all these complexities will be crucial to longer term success and the health of our playing group.  

     

     

     

     

     

     

    If you look at the contracts thread I think it’s a safe bet that the club is looking further ahead than just the next two years. Other factors worth considering are

    - Players that have already had their “payday contracts”.

    - Players  such as TMac, Gawn and I think Lever who have recently extended their contracts and you would assume have extended for less after already cleaning up.

    - Players such as Hibberd and Melksham who are most likely in their last season. 

    - Young players such as Rivers, Kozi, Petty and Bowey who are all premiership players and bloody good players in their own right but will have to bide their time for their paydays.

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    1 hour ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

    - Young players such as Rivers, Kozi, Petty and Bowey who are all premiership players and bloody good players in their own right but will have to bide their time for their paydays.

     I don’t think we have much to worry with those 3 they wont be getting to much interest by any struggling teams with cash to burn as they won’t help that sort of side.

    Biggest danger are the players who we drafted in 2020 or earlier who haven’t found a spot yet

    Next would be the types like Sparrow and Jordan if they want more time in the middle and think they can be more than a roll player 

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    1 hour ago, Redleg said:

    I see him signing a deal with us taking him to FA.

    That would 5 years… think it will be shorter so we can pay him the big coin later

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    3 hours ago, mo64 said:

    Spot on. I don't understand the hate for Frawley and Howe by many on here. Neither player deserted the club, and both had to endure our darkest times. And both players should be proud of what they've achieved at their new clubs. 

     

    We also didn’t want to keep them.

    I forgot what Howe brought us but Frawley leaving brought us Brayshaw.

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    8 minutes ago, rpfc said:

    We also didn’t want to keep them.

    I forgot what Howe brought us but Frawley leaving brought us Brayshaw.

    Ben Kennedy, NDS 29 & NDS 50 (46-Liam Hulett) traded by Collingwood for Jeremy Howe & Port Adelaide for Jimmy Toumpas

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    2 hours ago, tiers said:

    Unless another team has a Max Gawn to share the load, Luke is not going anywhere as a franchise player. He's not ready yet.

    Luke will develop slowly and nicely with us until he finds his best position and role. Let's leave him alone and not indulge in these wild speculations.

    Exactly he is still a WIP and whilst he has a huge upside nothing is set in stone. He has the best possible mentor available at his disposal and would be wise to develop his craft  some more under the guidance of Big Max.

    3 year deal total 1.8 - 2 M should get it done.

     

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    3 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

    People talking about Freo and WC.
    How long has Franklin got before Sydney get out the check book for a new franchise player?

     

     

    ...and whilst we're talking Franklin, he left the Hawks and the sky didn't fall in.

    From memory they won 2 more flags.

    Of course we all want to keep Jackson and most likely will...

     

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    8 hours ago, Jontee said:

    Completely different.  Tom had his future planned before he arrived.

    If I was Jacko I wouldnt be in any hurry to sign a contract because every game he plays is pushing the $$$ up at the moment.

    In what way Jontee? I felt he was going to stay until being spewed up on by our current, bogan captain* in China.

     

    *who I love dearly.

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