Sam Weideman re-signs until 2023

[Sir Why You Little 36,918]

1 minute ago, Lord Travis said:

He is performing. He’s averaging 5 goals a game and was performing better than Ben Brown at the same level, yet Brown was promoted ahead of him. Brown had less goals, less marks, less tackles - promoted ahead of him.

Weid has right to feel hard done by as he’s performing better than those around him, yet not getting the same opportunities at the next level. If I was him I’d be leaving. Why be loyal to a workplace that isn’t loyal to you? Why put in the work and outperform others, only to watch them promoted unjustly ahead of you?

We need to keep improving our culture and reward those performing well, not those with a bigger name or reputation. 

Big difference between the Melbourne Side and Casey. 
The Weid has played many AFL games and not performed. 
he has to be more consistent 

I am sure he knows that. But Ben Brown has been been a consistent AFL performer, who will take a little time to get his Rythm sorted

I want the Weid to stay. But his AFL performance needs to improve in consistency 

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4 minutes ago, Jaded said:

The reason is because Tmac has been trash for 3 years and we needed a big mature body to help out Weideman. 
Make no mistake, the club planned to have Ben Brown and Weideman as our two key position forwards in 2021. Injuries and the unexpected form of Tmac have thrown those plans into disarray. 

Exactly. The plan was Weid and Brown as our two big forwards.

Some people seem to forget we shopped Mcdonald all trade period and there were no takers.

Edited May 6, 2021 by Pickett2Jackson

[Sydee 4,378]

3 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

He is performing. He’s averaging 5 goals a game and was performing better than Ben Brown at the same level, yet Brown was promoted ahead of him. Brown had less goals, less marks, less tackles - promoted ahead of him.

Weid has right to feel hard done by as he’s performing better than those around him, yet not getting the same opportunities at the next level. If I was him I’d be leaving. Why be loyal to a workplace that isn’t loyal to you? Why put in the work and outperform others, only to watch them promoted unjustly ahead of you?

We need to keep improving our culture and reward those performing well, not those with a bigger name or reputation. 

If Brown plays poorly for the next game or two we can and should expect him to play at Casey 
 

[McQueen 17,864]

Mark Williams is very excited by what he sees in Weideman.

I'm happy enough to settle on this for now.

[Sir Why You Little 36,918]

9 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Mark Williams is very excited by what he sees in Weideman.

I'm happy enough to settle on this for now.

That is an excellent positive 

15 games + Finals 

 

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

19 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Mark Williams is very excited by what he sees in Weideman.

I'm happy enough to settle on this for now.

He said he reminded him of young Warren Tredrea.  I bet Choco cant wait to get Weid into the seniors.

[DeeSpencer 25,384]

Even with the new rules providing some relief it's really hard to be an unathletic key forward.

We already had 2, and for some reason decided to add a 3rd. 

There's some hope with Tom McDonald recapturing his leap and ability to find space on the lead, but he still can't turn or change direction quickly.

Jackson and Fritsch don't really provide any solutions because Fritsch is still meh defensively (if somewhat improved) and Jackson does his best work up the ground as a forward or in the ruck. More ruck minutes for Jackson = more Gawn forward = another even less mobile tall forward target.

The best combination with Jackson and Fritsch is just 1 genuine tall in a CHF role. That's what Tom's provided and why it has worked well. Can Tom keep it up? Who knows. But he's more likely to do so when given more responsibility in that role than trying to share it. Can Brown do the same job - yes, although he has to embrace doing more dirty work and realise he's not the 60 goal full forward. Can Weid do it? Well, maybe if his tank is at full capacity, and he did it last year before he ran out of juice late.

Brown, Weideman, Jackson, Fritsch. It just isn't going to work. The quicker we stop pretending the better for everyone.

I've maintained all along that Brown will cost us Weid, and maybe that's ok and we just accept it. Brown could be the better player for the next couple of years and Weid could maintain his level of just marginal AFL talent. So it might be the opportunity to actually find a long term replacement.

[joeboy 3,163]

7 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Even with the new rules providing some relief it's really hard to be an unathletic key forward.

We already had 2, and for some reason decided to add a 3rd. 

There's some hope with Tom McDonald recapturing his leap and ability to find space on the lead, but he still can't turn or change direction quickly.

Jackson and Fritsch don't really provide any solutions because Fritsch is still meh defensively (if somewhat improved) and Jackson does his best work up the ground as a forward or in the ruck. More ruck minutes for Jackson = more Gawn forward = another even less mobile tall forward target.

The best combination with Jackson and Fritsch is just 1 genuine tall in a CHF role. That's what Tom's provided and why it has worked well. Can Tom keep it up? Who knows. But he's more likely to do so when given more responsibility in that role than trying to share it. Can Brown do the same job - yes, although he has to embrace doing more dirty work and realise he's not the 60 goal full forward. Can Weid do it? Well, maybe if his tank is at full capacity, and he did it last year before he ran out of juice late.

Brown, Weideman, Jackson, Fritsch. It just isn't going to work. The quicker we stop pretending the better for everyone.

I've maintained all along that Brown will cost us Weid, and maybe that's ok and we just accept it. Brown could be the better player for the next couple of years and Weid could maintain his level of just marginal AFL talent. So it might be the opportunity to actually find a long term replacemen

Edited May 6, 2021 by joeboy

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3 hours ago, Dr.D said:

I'm sorry but if I'm Weideman hearing that I'd be saying; "'I've kicked 14 goals in 3 weeks, including a bag of 7, don't talk to me about earning my position! Especially when Ben Brown got promoted on lesser form. Talk about patience, how about you put me in the team and one of the other players can be patient!". These would all be reasonable points from his perspective. 

There's a reason Casey's percentage is 269

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2 hours ago, adonski said:

They’ll move on T Mac at seasons end, they find it difficult to trust him given he’s been [censored] house two years straight, even if he has found form this year 

What if his good form continues for the whole year?

[BDA 22,693]

3 hours ago, Redleg said:

Weid IMO applies more pressure than Melksham, is taller, probably quicker, can play key forward or forward pocket and flank, is younger and more vital to our future and has already starred in a final for us.

I don't want Weid lost to the club. 

TBH if it came a choice between Weid and BB, I would go for Weid.

If he doesn't get games, I fear he will be lost to us.

I don;t want to lose the Weid either.

Everyone was excited preseason at the prospect of the BB and the Weid in tandem. they both got injured so those plans were scuppered for the time being but i see no reason why they can't play together yet. A lot of people suddenly doubting BB on the basis of his first game back. He's obviously rusty but he did have the North defenders climbing all over him. The season is long so i'm sure both BB and the Weid will contribute plenty yet. Talk of trading the Weid or BB not making it are very premature. 

[TRIGON 4,783]

21 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Brown, Weideman, Jackson, Fritsch. It just isn't going to work. The quicker we stop pretending the better for everyone.

I'm with you on not playing 3 talls in the forward line. However, I see Jackson as a very tall midfielder who can ruck AND go forward if needs be - so he can be in the same side, but not necessarily as part of 3 talls in the forward line all at the same time. I would like to see more pace/ground-ball pressure, the likes of Bedford/Chandler vying with ANB/Melksham for a spot.

 

Spargo    Weideman   Bedford/Chandler

Pickett    B.Brown        Fritsch

Edited May 6, 2021 by TRIGON

[Accepting Mediocrity 1,418]

2 hours ago, adonski said:

They’ll move on T Mac at seasons end, they find it difficult to trust him given he’s been [censored] house two years straight, even if he has found form this year 

What's the point? 29 year-olds, even good ones, have close to zero trade value. If he maintains his current form throughout the year, we might get a late third round pick for him. He's worth more to us than that.

Making players kick the door down is well and good, but the problem is that Weideman seems to need to prove himself for Casey far more than the Melksham's of this world. It took until round 6 before he could get a game last year despite a string of good games in the 2's. Same thing is happening this year. I wouldn't blame him if he was getting frustrated.

There's a reason clubs value talls so highly - good ones are damn hard to find. Weideman has shown plenty to suggest he'll be a damn good full forward for the next 8 years. Our side will be better with him in it - find a way to get him in. 

[Gator 17,261]

Right now Weideman would be better than Brown, but I understand the call.

It's easy to forget that Weideman will start playing his best footy in 2-3 years when he hits 26.

I'd rather lose Brown or McDonald than Weideman.

[Ouch! 2,258]

1 hour ago, loges said:

What if his good form continues for the whole year?

then we get good currency for a trade rather than getting nothing

[Ouch! 2,258]

24 minutes ago, Accepting Mediocrity said:

What's the point? 29 year-olds, even good ones, have close to zero trade value. If he maintains his current form throughout the year, we might get a late third round pick for him. He's worth more to us than that.

TMac also has to be considered in this, he probably feels he could give another 2 good years at AFL level at another club, why would he be content playing in the reserves as a back up. 

[Grr-owl 1,208]

12 hours ago, Fanatique Demon said:

How do I say this nicely? Talent aside, I’d be concerned whether De Goey has the right temperament for us. 

He looks like Brett Bogan of the Fluffy Dice, but if you hear him speak he's a sweet well-mannered bloke.

[daisycutter 29,600]

8 minutes ago, Grr-owl said:

He looks like Brett Bogan of the Fluffy Dice, but if you hear him speak he's a sweet well-mannered bloke.

i doubt degoey will ever reach his potential on or off the field

[Demonstone 22,202]

While we're discussing things Collingwood, list manager Ned Guy has apparently resigned (pushed/sacked?).

I wonder if the Pies will pay 75% of his salary at his next job.

[Lucifers Hero 39,387]

37 minutes ago, demonstone said:

While we're discussing things Collingwood, list manager Ned Guy has apparently resigned (pushed/sacked?).

I wonder if the Pies will pay 75% of his salary at his next job.

Doubt he was pushed as he resigned at the end of last year but was asked to stay on and they tried to talk him out of leaving.  list-manager-ned-guy-quits

It reads more like he got a bit fed up with the board making key list decisions, in particular Board pressure for Beams' return and pressure to give 7 years to Grundy, two of the main reasons they got into the sal cap mess.

Edited May 6, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

[Winter Dan 428]

Can we trade BBB end of year? 

[rpfc 28,239]

9 minutes ago, Winter Dan said:

Can we trade BBB end of year? 

Yeah, with his consent.

But we are not that idiotic.

If you want to keep Weid - move TMac to a wing and if it doesn’t work - to Casey. 

[whatwhat say what 22,587]

remember when everyone thought brent grgic was gonna be the second coming of garry lyon?

[Deemania since 56 6,605]

4 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

He is performing. He’s averaging 5 goals a game and was performing better than Ben Brown at the same level, yet Brown was promoted ahead of him. Brown had less goals, less marks, less tackles - promoted ahead of him.

Weid has right to feel hard done by as he’s performing better than those around him, yet not getting the same opportunities at the next level. If I was him I’d be leaving. Why be loyal to a workplace that isn’t loyal to you? Why put in the work and outperform others, only to watch them promoted unjustly ahead of you?

We need to keep improving our culture and reward those performing well, not those with a bigger name or reputation. 

BB played less gametime (around one-third) in the VFL Casey team due to recovery from injury and time-proven resting strategies to ensure a fast heal from that which ailed him.

Alongside this recuperation, the intensity of his game was naturally restricted to prevent a set-back in his AFL preparation. One must expect, under these circumstances in operation at the time, that Brown's contribution was restricted and could not be reasonably compared to that of another forward with so much additional gametime and intent, without a potentially limiting need to take care with a recuperation injury, without a limit placed on joint exertion and dynamics. 

As it is in the present moment, it was time that Weed began producing some form in the VFL team. He has had five years to achieve consistency and improved performance upon which the team and supporters could rely.

 

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2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

i doubt degoey will ever reach his potential on or off the field

Disagree, think he has reached/very close to his potential off the field.