1 hour ago, drdrake said:

Was the comment incorrect.

Yes.

"he is needed on our list we have no other tall forward" - well that's obviously incorrect.

"Lets be honest, TMac hasn't been any good for the last 12 odd weeks" - in the last 12 weeks TMac has kicked 3 goals each against the Bulldogs, Brisbane and Port Adelaide, and had a 22 possession + 10 mark game vs GWS where the only thing missing was accurate goal kicking.

"the start of the season amazing but has fallen away" - yes he was kicking more goals at the start of the season but his relative form slump coincided with the entire side slumping somewhat in the first few weeks post-bye.

"B Brown isn't really setting the world on fire kicking some goals but yet to really have an outstanding game" - Brown's kicked multiple goals for five straight games, has had at least 5 marks in each of those games, and importantly has lifted his tackling and pressure numbers across that period

"M Brown isn't getting any younger" - sure, but Weideman also "isn't getting any younger"

"Daw isn't a forward" - probably the only part of the post I agree with.

Of course, the overall point you're making in general doesn't take into account our forward line as a unit, ignores Fritsch's presence (he was just named to the AA squad FFS), and ignores Weideman's struggles with form when in the seniors this year.

1 hour ago, drdrake said:

Was the comment incorrect.

Well TMac was good in the Port game

38 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Yes.

"he is needed on our list we have no other tall forward" - well that's obviously incorrect.

"Lets be honest, TMac hasn't been any good for the last 12 odd weeks" - in the last 12 weeks TMac has kicked 3 goals each against the Bulldogs, Brisbane and Port Adelaide, and had a 22 possession + 10 mark game vs GWS where the only thing missing was accurate goal kicking.

"the start of the season amazing but has fallen away" - yes he was kicking more goals at the start of the season but his relative form slump coincided with the entire side slumping somewhat in the first few weeks post-bye.

"B Brown isn't really setting the world on fire kicking some goals but yet to really have an outstanding game" - Brown's kicked multiple goals for five straight games, has had at least 5 marks in each of those games, and importantly has lifted his tackling and pressure numbers across that period

"M Brown isn't getting any younger" - sure, but Weideman also "isn't getting any younger"

"Daw isn't a forward" - probably the only part of the post I agree with.

Of course, the overall point you're making in general doesn't take into account our forward line as a unit, ignores Fritsch's presence (he was just named to the AA squad FFS), and ignores Weideman's struggles with form when in the seniors this year.

I will give you your first one, poorly worded we do have other key Tall Forwards, my comment should have been added outside the current side.  M Brown has been injured for a while and I doubt will be on the list next season.

On Toms form I will stand by this, I don't think he out side a couple of games has had the same impact he had in the first half of the season and has gone missing for large chunks of games.

B Brown, yep he is kicking a couple of goals, he will need to do a lot more over the next month.

Your comment about Fritsch, he would have the same role if Weiderman played, he needs keys around him to allow him to play that hit up role, he still kicked average 2 goals a game for the 5 matches Weiderman played this year.

The discussion is on whether Weiderman should stay on our list, my opinion is yes as we need depth in KPF for injury and form.  Will he get a game over the next month I hope not as it means we have injuries at the wrong time of the year, but I would like to see him get a full pre-season in, put the pressure on TMac and Brown to work hard for their spots, it only makes us better if he can take a step forward, but it does high light the need to get another developing tall Forward on our list.

Can Weid play as a defender?

Would he be any good in that role?

Maybe on that basis worth keeping.

I would love seeing Petty at Chf at some stage. Reckon he would crush it.

On 8/7/2021 at 2:49 PM, Little Goffy said:

The basic trouble is that if we trade Weideman out, we'll be in serious need of new young key forwards in a few years as McDonald and Brown both get older.

On the other hand, will Weideman even fill that need? I like him, but I was up very close to him for a lot of the game against Collingwood up in Sydney and had an eye on him... and was very disappointed.

Interestingly, the tall prospects in this year's draft don't seem to appear until the late teens/early 20s. I feel like if we could get a package trade that saw us enter the draft with a pick around 15 we'd have our choice of the season's talls, if Taylor has a special in mind. Hell, we could even just take Mac Andrew.

 

 

We have Tomlinson.....

7 hours ago, MadAsHell said:

If we packaged Weid with our future 1st Round pick and a few other items (potentially the likes of Bailey Laurie, this year's 2nd Round pick etc), what are the chances of getting a hold of Gold Coast's 1st Rounder? Would get us access to Mac Andrew who we should rightfully have access to!

Unlikely I know, but I don't want to see us miss out on this kid!

You'd trade out Bailey Laurie? Our 2nd pick from last year?

Far out there are some ridiculous things said on htis site

8 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

You'd trade out Bailey Laurie? Our 2nd pick from last year?

Yep, that's an eyebrow-raising suggestion that I'm not even sure is permitted under the rules.

8 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Mitch Cleary just said that Sam Weideman is looking at his options but there seem to be little interest out there.

The way he played this season, he was in the delistable category anyway.

Think about it. How excited would you be if it was us he was coming to? You'd be thinking the football department had lost the plot..

8 hours ago, Dante said:

Weid can get his hands on the ball, which is the first requirement, unfortunately he can't hold his marks. He seems to me to have his palms both facing out in front of him, towards the ball and slaps at the ball instead of grabbing it.

It will come together for him but it may be too late.

Jessie Hogan had the same technique. I haven’t seen many successful forwards who mark flat handed.

I'd be happy to do the trade provided we could land a reasonable replacement in a similar age bracket to cover for McDonald and Brown when they retire. I reckon Brown gets through 2 or 3 more years comfortably, but not so sure about McDonald. He's so hot and cold that he's so hard to predict.

On 8/8/2021 at 8:49 PM, Win4theAges said:

I reckon he'll sign on for another 2 years until free agency kicks in then re evaluate his affairs like most players are doing these days.

i'd be flabbergasted if it went any other way tbh, particularly given how insecure our KPF spots really are, we could easily be sitting here in 12 months time after weid has had a 30 goal season after breaking in after round 8 and tmac is a washed up 30yo about to embark on some 1 year depth contracts, you just never know in foopy, but i think the lure of potentially playing in a GF over the next two years should be enough to convince him to stay until FA then decide 

41 minutes ago, Turner said:

i'd be flabbergasted if it went any other way tbh, particularly given how insecure our KPF spots really are, we could easily be sitting here in 12 months time after weid has had a 30 goal season after breaking in after round 8 and tmac is a washed up 30yo about to embark on some 1 year depth contracts, you just never know in foopy, but i think the lure of potentially playing in a GF over the next two years should be enough to convince him to stay until FA then decide 

Agreed. If I were Weid I’d be circling both Brown and Tmac like a salivating hyena. Both those guys are ripe for a long term injury/age catching up on them. It’s not a perfect spot to be as a developing player but it’s the next best thing - learning your craft at a good club with a strong young side that has no other competition for your spot beside the two old blokes ahead of you. 

Edited August 25, 20213 yr by Chook

2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

You'd trade out Bailey Laurie? Our 2nd pick from last year?

Far out there are some ridiculous things said on htis site

Least I’m not the only one concerned by Laurie and what has (or hasn’t) been shown to date. First year I get it but usually you see something worth working on. By all accounts Laurie hasn’t set the world on fire in any matches played so far. Hope I am wrong.

 

We traded our first rounder this year for him.

Edited August 25, 20213 yr by olisik

Weideman to North would be a good idea. We'll get the first pick of the second round.

6 hours ago, olisik said:

Least I’m not the only one concerned by Laurie and what has (or hasn’t) been shown to date. First year I get it but usually you see something worth working on. By all accounts Laurie hasn’t set the world on fire in any matches played so far. Hope I am wrong.

 

We traded our first rounder this year for him.

He’s been injured for a lot of the season and VFL not playing - harsh assessment

6 hours ago, olisik said:

Least I’m not the only one concerned by Laurie and what has (or hasn’t) been shown to date. First year I get it but usually you see something worth working on. By all accounts Laurie hasn’t set the world on fire in any matches played so far. Hope I am wrong.

 

We traded our first rounder this year for him.

In an incredibly challenging year he has missed around 6-7 weeks with a significant facial injury and then landed himself a shoulder injury. Hard to judge anyone based on that form exposure. When he has played he has done ok by all accounts.

18 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

 

18 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

On 8/9/2021 at 2:21 PM, Redleg said:

Won them a flag. Happy for Weid to do that for us.

Boyd also had mental health issues, I am not aware of Weid having those issues.

He will have if he read this thread. 

7 hours ago, olisik said:

Least I’m not the only one concerned by Laurie and what has (or hasn’t) been shown to date. First year I get it but usually you see something worth working on. By all accounts Laurie hasn’t set the world on fire in any matches played so far. Hope I am wrong.

 

We traded our first rounder this year for him.

Much of year 2 injured then the joke of a second tier competition hasn’t played much of the year.  

Edited August 25, 20213 yr by monoccular

14 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

Can Weid play as a defender?

Would he be any good in that role?

Maybe on that basis worth keeping.

I would love seeing Petty at Chf at some stage. Reckon he would crush it.

I'll keep saying it till I'm Blue in the face

JOEL SMITH is a Forward🥶

7 hours ago, olisik said:

Least I’m not the only one concerned by Laurie and what has (or hasn’t) been shown to date. First year I get it but usually you see something worth working on. By all accounts Laurie hasn’t set the world on fire in any matches played so far. Hope I am wrong.

 

We traded our first rounder this year for him.

It’s incredible how you can be so consistently and profoundly incorrect. It’s almost admirable.

7 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Weideman to North would be a good idea. We'll get the first pick of the second round.

Lol, no we won’t.

@faultydetis spot on - imagine that Sam is at another club and we are targeting him? You’d think the FD was on the turps. Especially if we are giving a 2nd rounder.

1 minute ago, Mach5 said:

It’s incredible how you can be so consistently and profoundly incorrect. It’s almost admirable.

Laurie has had 2 injury absences this year and I don't think looking at him he has a natural fitness base say like Bowey.

Needsa good preseason and will be on his way.

There  are no guarantees and I haven't seen him play live and can't remember him in the couple of TV games of Casey.

Rosman Will also be a big improver I Believe and we  must keep Declase and Turner as great potential.

10 hours ago, jnrmac said:

You'd trade out Bailey Laurie? Our 2nd pick from last year?

Far out there are some ridiculous things said on htis site

 

8 hours ago, olisik said:

Least I’m not the only one concerned by Laurie and what has (or hasn’t) been shown to date. First year I get it but usually you see something worth working on. By all accounts Laurie hasn’t set the world on fire in any matches played so far. Hope I am wrong.

 

We traded our first rounder this year for him.

 

10 hours ago, Demonstone said:

Yep, that's an eyebrow-raising suggestion that I'm not even sure is permitted under the rules.

Let me clarify my position/suggestion on this one.

I'm not saying that I don't rate Laurie or that he's a spud that we should get rid of. I'm simply making the point that if we want Mac Andrew, we'll need to trade into the top 10, probably top 8. Gold Coast currently have Pick 5 which will turn into Pick 7 and we have a good trading history with them, so they're an obvious potential partner.

Now would Weideman and our future 1st Round Pick be enough to get the trade done? Given we're currently top of the ladder, it's fair for Gold Coast to assume our Future 1st Round Pick will be in the 15-20 range. So point is we'll likely need more.

Laurie will still have some value from being a late 1st Round Pick from last year, who doesn't hurt us leaving as he's yet to get on the park for us. I did also suggest our Pick 34 could a also be used instead. Laurie was merely one suggestion.

It's also of note that we got Laurie by trading away our 1st Round Pick from this year, before the rules changed re the Academy nominations and our ability to get Mac Andrew. Would we have made that trade last year if we knew the rule change was coming? Who knows? All I can tell is that Taylor seems pretty keen on Mac Andrew and I wouldn't be shocked to see the Dees try and manufacture a way to get him.

Edit: And yes, players can be traded after only one season. Just rarely happens is all.

Edited August 25, 20213 yr by MadAsHell

12 minutes ago, picket fence said:

I'll keep saying it till I'm Blue in the face

JOEL SMITH is a Forward🥶

Agree about Smithy!

8 hours ago, olisik said:

Least I’m not the only one concerned by Laurie and what has (or hasn’t) been shown to date. First year I get it but usually you see something worth working on. By all accounts Laurie hasn’t set the world on fire in any matches played so far. Hope I am wrong.

 

We traded our first rounder this year for him.

All the more reason yo be patient!!!

50 minutes ago, picket fence said:

I'll keep saying it till I'm Blue in the face

JOEL SMITH is a Forward🥶

I thought that myself Picket, but I have to admit Smith’s recent form as a defender has been good. Still behind a number of players but he’s improved a lot compared to where he was as a defender. I don’t think we’ve seen him do one stupid attempt at MOTY the games he’s played this year.