8 hours ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

I don't know about this one. When all of their mids are in, they are very difficult to stop. 

They have issues behind the ball but that midfield is clearly the best/deepest in the comp and I'm nowhere near as confident as you that we're a better team. 

More balanced maybe, but midfield strength is fair indicator of overall success.

I genuinely hope you're analysis is more accurate than mine.

Get in your hole mate, Carlton better then us, laughable

11 hours ago, JTR said:

https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=5505.0

"I think we can beat Melbourne, more on the law of averages, they are due for a loss and just fell in for a win vs the Swans IMO.
Brown and McDonald wont present the same problems as Bruce and Naughton plus Oliver is only half the player the Bont is and Cripps owes us a big one. Blues by 16 points, not because we are great but more because Melbourne are getting ahead of themselves, due for a loss and we can defend them better IMO"

I’ll have what she’s having 

The wet worries me. It killed off Fritta and Kozzie last week and I think we are much better suited to a dry track.

Carlton’s defence is not so bad. Weitering, Docherty and Saad are good players. If they bring Newman back after injury that will help too. Liam Jones is ok if he just concentrates on punching the ball away but often gets carried away with the belief that he is a footballer.
 

As an opposition coach, if you looked at a forward line containing Brown, Weideman, TMac, Fritsch, Kozzie and occasionally Trac, that’s a very serious concern. Carlton don’t have enough quality cattle to match up on all of those players who collectively are probably the most potent forward line in the comp. On Kozzie, I’d give him a few runs through the middle where it will be dryer than the flanks and pockets.
 

We’ll miss Jack Viney again unfortunately. He seems to loves these damp games at the ‘G.

Demons by 30.

2 hours ago, don't make me angry said:

Get in your hole mate, Carlton better then us, laughable

That post was comparing us to the Bulldogs, not Carlton.

One thing that continues to surprise me in opposition threads is how many opposition supporters don't rate Oliver as a player.  The kid is a jet!  There are plenty who do rate him but surely it has to be unanimous to anyone that's ever seen him play.

I'm not sure what to put it down to.

30 minutes ago, BigFez said:

One thing that continues to surprise me in opposition threads is how many opposition supporters don't rate Oliver as a player.  The kid is a jet!  There are plenty who do rate him but surely it has to be unanimous to anyone that's ever seen him play.

I'm not sure what to put it down to.

Doesn't kick goals. In fact he freezes like a deer in headlights when taking a set shot. It's embarrassing.

His best work is the clearance from a lightning fast handball. Not the laser kick to a leading forward that gets everyone's attention.

He was the perfect pickup for us because he filled a hole in the center with rare skills. Would take him over just about anyone else in the comp, Trac included.

 

 

 

Probably a few reasons why Oliver isn’t rated by oppo fans. Ollie wins balls in more clinches and that is not pretty to watch (unless you are one of us). He also does not kick that many goals, take contested marks or look flashy.

Clarry also handballs more than he kicks quite often under intense pressure. Although it looks ugly at times, he invariably hits a team mate with those “flukes” although we know it’s more to do with his uncanny ability.

Bont is a very good player but Clarry wins a lot more hard balls and IMO therefore more damaging.

* Plus what faulty just said!

Edited May 13, 20214 yr by ProperDee

49 minutes ago, BigFez said:

One thing that continues to surprise me in opposition threads is how many opposition supporters don't rate Oliver as a player.  The kid is a jet!  There are plenty who do rate him but surely it has to be unanimous to anyone that's ever seen him play.

I'm not sure what to put it down to.

Lack of cerebral armament might be a good starting piont

Edited May 13, 20214 yr by picket fence

10 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

The difference between Melbourne and Carlton is about the same as the distance from here to Cairns.

(Cranking out a mighty metaphor there, and not entirely flippantly)

Do you live in Port Douglas?

9 hours ago, Kozzie4PM said:

Why do you think Carlton are our bogey side? We've beaten them the last 5 times we've played them.

Good point. I think I'm remembering the Roos years where there was a period where they kept beating us even thought we were the better team.  

Edited May 13, 20214 yr by one_demon

3 hours ago, don't make me angry said:

Get in your hole mate, Carlton better then us, laughable

The quote you've taken was a response to us being a better side than the Western Bulldogs and I said I wasn't sure (sentence 1).

No reference to Carlton at all.

Man I wish their admins would do away with the eye killing black background. What are they, a geocities site? #amirite

Having said that, gee their supporters have assessed the situation quite even handedly, I think.

Jeez that thread quickly descended into an analysis of their list and not so much how they'll go this week.

Edited May 13, 20214 yr by Superunknown

12 hours ago, 640MD said:

Couple of times they pointed out we had a poor game against the swans and were very lucky to win, 

I think that’s underestimating Sydney by a huge amount.   They played well,

A drunk Sydney supporter also yelled this out after the siren went at the G on Saturday night.

I don't get it. How can you be lucky to win a game of footy when you're leading for 85% of the game.

 

5 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Man I wish their admins would do away with the eye killing black background. What are they, a geocities site? #amirite

Having said that, gee their supporters have assessed the situation quite even handedly, I think.

Wow that Geocities reference took me back - love all that. 

Yeah I think that CFC supporters are heading towards that somewhat nihilist niche that MFC supporters have occupied for a while. Probably helps you to be even handed.

2 hours ago, ProperDee said:

The wet worries me. It killed off Fritta and Kozzie last week and I think we are much better suited to a dry track.

Carlton’s defence is not so bad. Weitering, Docherty and Saad are good players. If they bring Newman back after injury that will help too. Liam Jones is ok if he just concentrates on punching the ball away but often gets carried away with the belief that he is a footballer.
 

As an opposition coach, if you looked at a forward line containing Brown, Weideman, TMac, Fritsch, Kozzie and occasionally Trac, that’s a very serious concern. Carlton don’t have enough quality cattle to match up on all of those players who collectively are probably the most potent forward line in the comp. On Kozzie, I’d give him a few runs through the middle where it will be dryer than the flanks and pockets.
 

We’ll miss Jack Viney again unfortunately. He seems to loves these damp games at the ‘G.

Demons by 30.

They had a hard tag on Pickett.. had nothing to do with the wet.

1 hour ago, BigFez said:

One thing that continues to surprise me in opposition threads is how many opposition supporters don't rate Oliver as a player.  The kid is a jet!  There are plenty who do rate him but surely it has to be unanimous to anyone that's ever seen him play.

I'm not sure what to put it down to.

I can understand why. He wins the ball in contested situations and almost always handballs it off very quickly. Opposition fans often think he’s thrown it and crack the [censored] haha! When he’s playing poorly, he just plays hot potato and transfers the pressure to a mate carelessly. Thankfully he appears to be getting this out of his game now.
He’s also not damaging in the same way midfielders like Trac are. He rarely kicks goals, his set shots are embarrassingly poor, and he’s not known for great kicking inside 50 like Trac or Bont. He’s got less score assists than other elite mids basically.

Dont get me wrong, Clarry is my favorite player and one of the best midfielders I’ve ever seen pull on the red and blue. I can understand why he’s not rated as highly as other gun mids by oppo teams. It’s the same reason I think Cripps is vastly overrated; Not damaging or rounded enough as a midfielder to be classed as truly elite.

This used to be one of my favourite threads.  Reading how each successive team was going to belt us, and then enjoy the melts after.

Now, not only do large numbers of opposition supporters show us some respect, but many know far more about Melbourne than I know about their teams.

However, taking all things into account, I am a happier supporter now than i was then.

1 hour ago, BigFez said:

One thing that continues to surprise me in opposition threads is how many opposition supporters don't rate Oliver as a player.  The kid is a jet!  There are plenty who do rate him but surely it has to be unanimous to anyone that's ever seen him play.

I'm not sure what to put it down to.

I would say the fact that he's only kicked 1 goal for the season. Everyone takes more notice of the mids that kick goals.

The mids that are being talked about this year are Petracca, Bont, Treloar and Mundy and one of the reasons for this is that they're kicking their 1 goal a game without fail. 

Edited May 13, 20214 yr by Bring-Back-Powell

11 hours ago, Storm Boy said:

The last 2 games against Carlton in 2019 and 2020 we won under a goal. I think this game will be close as well. 

This

11 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

Over on the Reddit AFL forum, Carlton fans are fuming at the news today that Patrick Cripps has been playing up to his neck in painkillers due to a fractured back which he’s been nursing throughout the entire season. Not sure how a story like this going public actually affects the club’s decisions, but is it possible they will succumb to the scorn of their fans, many of whom are wondering why the club is risking serious long term injury to its biggest star, in a year where such a risk just isn’t worth it. 

I think this was a strategic leak to the press to prepare the fans for his omission from the squad. 

11 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I feel a 2004 style win coming

F$&@ Carltank 

 

Well hopefully not a 2004 style loss, which basically screwed up our season in the end (ie. no top four spot)

2 minutes ago, Northern Summer said:

Well hopefully not a 2004 style loss, which basically screwed up our season in the end (ie. no top four spot)

Did i say the word Loss?

7 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Did i say the word Loss?

We slaughtered them earlier that year: 25.10 to 8.7.

I read somewhere that Carlton are the only team not to have lost by more than 5 goals since the start of 2020, plus they were all over the dogs for 3/4.  Their best is good but hopefully they can't sustain it and we run over them in the last like we did to the Hawks.

29 minutes ago, dieter said:

We slaughtered them earlier that year: 25.10 to 8.7.

It was the 6th game of the season. They was on top of the ladder, getting dizzy; made it 6 zip, the longest winning streak by the Demons since 2000.