Did Jimmy Stynes ever cop racial abuse ?

[DubDee 25,436]

19 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

You did what with the hey now?

Do you mean aside from being recognisable through language, accent, culture, self-identification, traceable genetics and even prevalent observable physical characteristics, given formal power by centuries of quite vicious discrimination, exploitation and oppression justified by claims of inherent Irish 'backwardness' and inferiority of 'the Irish race'?

No doubt the Irish have made a massive impact on the world for such a small country. 

but we are not a race as such. Celts could be considered a race but mixed in with Scots etc. also Anglo Saxons. Gets very complicated. 

Anyway I’m off to bed

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13 hours ago, faultydet said:

I abused my opponents while playing footy.

So I'm racist?

 

The lengths some people will go to in order to find "racism"

Yep. Personally speaking (and I am an older man) I never, ever considered a persons colour, ethnicity or anything else. We were all just people getting on with our lives. 

Then those things were suddenly “issues” and those “issues”  started to be rammed down my throat.

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30 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

Yep. Personally speaking (and I am an older man) I never, ever considered a persons colour, ethnicity or anything else. We were all just people getting on with our lives. 

Then those things were suddenly “issues” and those “issues”  started to be rammed down my throat.

Perhaps you don’t need them ‘rammed down your throat’ but the society you live in certainly does as evidenced by another instance with Walker.

And you shouldn’t ‘get on with your life’ that is not the gold standard. You should understand and try to comprehend the pain of past experiences and exploitation to understand why it hurts all the more for black and brown people when the racists pop up out of their hides hole.

So maybe it would ‘go down easier’ next time you hear it…

rp

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9 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

You did what with the hey now?

Do you mean aside from being recognisable through language, accent, culture, self-identification, traceable genetics and even prevalent observable physical characteristics, given formal power by centuries of quite vicious discrimination, exploitation and oppression justified by claims of inherent Irish 'backwardness' and inferiority of 'the Irish race'?

 

These existed in London up until 1966. They also were prominent in the US around the time of the Irish potato famine and the troubles of the early ‘10’s when Irish migration to the US was prolific.

We can get into semantics all we want, but it goes to show that the same type of person who was prejudiced against people of color had absolutely no problem with extending their distaste to the Irish as well. 

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2 hours ago, rpfc said:

Perhaps you don’t need them ‘rammed down your throat’ but the society you live in certainly does as evidenced by another instance with Walker.

And you shouldn’t ‘get on with your life’ that is not the gold standard. You should understand and try to comprehend the pain of past experiences and exploitation to understand why it hurts all the more for black and brown people when the racists pop up out of their hides hole.

So maybe it would ‘go down easier’ next time you hear it…

rp

As I said, "We were all just people getting on with our lives". "We" meaning black, brown, white, European or Asian. Colour or race wasn't an issue.  We worked, lived played sport and socialised together in the community without any hint of racism.  How did that happen?

As I said, I am an older man.  Maybe the respect and courtesy that my parents taught me as a child needs to be replicated by the parents and teachers of today?  Parenting today lacks a lot of the necessary values and responsibilities to end prejudices and attitudes that sustain them.

It won't "go down any easier" the next time I hear some media type banging on about racism.  The wrong audience is being targeted.  I know where I stand.

 

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On 2/8/2021 at 7:17 PM, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Yup, agreed. Hence the reason he wouldn't have been on the wrong end of racist abuse. I bet whoever did abuse him though only did it the once. 

Therefore abuse hurled at our indigenous players should rightly be, you Australian .......

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17 hours ago, faultydet said:

I abused my opponents while playing footy.

So I'm racist?

 

The lengths some people will go to in order to find "racism"

Not good enough to beat then on your own merits?

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30 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

As I said, "We were all just people getting on with our lives". "We" meaning black, brown, white, European or Asian. Colour or race wasn't an issue. 

You mean, FOR YOU it wasn't an issue.

31 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

We worked, lived played sport and socialised together in the community without any hint of racism.  How did that happen?

You mean, YOU never experienced racism.

31 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

Maybe the respect and courtesy that my parents taught me as a child needs to be replicated by the parents and teachers of today?  Parenting today lacks a lot of the necessary values and responsibilities to end prejudices and attitudes that sustain them.

You mean, the rubbish you were fed that because you didn't experience racism then it didn't exist.

33 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

It won't "go down any easier" the next time I hear some media type banging on about racism.  The wrong audience is being targeted.  I know where I stand.

YOU certainly know where YOU stand, but clearly you have no idea where others stand.

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6 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Not good enough to beat then on your own merits?

What a pissweak effort.

 

Do better mate.

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On 2/14/2021 at 10:23 PM, pinkshark said:

Ummm...

Yes.  I should have said noted.  Was just trying to say that I wish there was no racism. I'm not racist.  I don't get it.  I love everyone.  Seriously.  

In the Calvin Harrisean sense:

I like them black girls, I like them white girls,  I like them asian girls, I like them mixed-race girls, I like them Spanish girls, I like them Italian girls, I like them french girls, and I like scandinavian girls, I like them tall girls, I like them short girls, I like them brown-haired girls, I like them them blond haired girls, I like them big girls, I like them skinny girls, I like them carrying a little-bitty weight girls....

 

He didn’t include red-haired girls. 
😭 

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20 hours ago, faultydet said:

Irish is not a race, therefore i dont believe he was racially abused

You posted the following quote on page one of this thread.  Faultymemory?  

It is unlawful for a person to do any act involving a distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of any human right or .

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21 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

It was Gavin Wanganeen - Round 9 1997 v Port Adelaide   See Bottom line.

As I recall it he called Jim "a dumb Irish cu**.  The umpire heard it & asked Jim if he wanted to take the matter further & Jim declined.

 

I was at that match and probably directed many far worse comments to our players. 

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Not sure that the racism Jim experienced in Oz is on a similar occurrence or level to the racism indigenous people experience on a near daily basis. Racism in any form is terrible, but clearly there are some groups in our society that suffer immeasurably from persistant, systematic racism. 

With all due respect, I hope this isn't intended to be an 'all lives matter' thread

 

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12 hours ago, DubDee said:

No doubt the Irish have made a massive impact on the world for such a small country. 

but we are not a race as such. Celts could be considered a race but mixed in with Scots etc. also Anglo Saxons. Gets very complicated. 

Anyway I’m off to bed

You forgot the Spanish and the Vikings.

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19 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

With all due respect, I hope this isn't intended to be an 'all lives matter' thread

 

Historical bigotry towards the Irish definitely shouldn’t be dismissed. Another example is of senior managers would dismiss Irish Catholics on sight should they have applied for jobs in Australian banks up until the 70’s.

That being said, the sentiment you have described, as witnessed by the ubiquity of posts from the most opinionated, prominent and misinformed characters in these threads, has indeed been in the post for quite a while now. That I have noticed. 😭

Edited August 9, 2021 by Colin B. Flaubert

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34 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

We worked, lived played sport and socialised together in the community without any hint of racism.  How did that happen?

Out of curiosity, you say these issues are being rammed down your throat. In your opinion when did this start? 

There is a global movement challenging both historical and everyday racism as they are intertwined. 

Just because nothing was said in the past means nothing was experienced by others.

Difficult conversations are there to be had and Australia is no exception.

People get upset and deny that Australia is a racist country or has a racist history but unfortunately it has runs on the board. 

 

 

 

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