Poor Sam. Talk about doing it the hard way. But he'll be cherry ripe for finals which we all know is when he plays his best footy. Sigh.

This and BB setback surely sets Tom to the forward line for the near future. Jackson will definitely be getting games in the circumstances and I can see Gawn being used forward more often to at least demand a defender on him. Meanwhile, M Brown surely will be called upon to be the Pederson successor he was obviously recruited to be.

Could be a very interesting stimulus for the coaches, forcing them to innovate with options like Petty and of course Rosman's big athletic contribution may be called on just to keep getting to contest after contest and hope the squadron of smart speedy little guys can work magic from the fall of the ball.

It does also add a wink and nudge in favour of the 'mysteriously' overlooked Kaine Baldwin. Even if he just spends a season on minimum pay being scrutinized while giving Casey an additional tall option. Because we don't want the 2s playing without any talls at all!

It sucks that it happened but we could learn a lot about a few players while we wait for BB and then Weid to return.

2 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

dude. you've lost the plot. top 4? how about making finals first. I see a 10-13 season coming with Goodwin at the helm

TBH I have no confidence in making the 8 either.

We have a 93% success rate in missing finals since 2007.

Ugh 2021 is already dead to me

54 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Said this before pre Brown and Weideman injury that I felt we still lacked depth in our forward department and was amazed we had not invited a Jackson Callow or Kaine Baldwin as a train on instead of Kobe Farmer and Deakyn Smith. Two big strong key forwards who are physically ready to go.

Callow invited to train with Hawthorn as of last week.

 

Baldwin wouldn’t have been a great option as he’s recovering from a second ACL.

2 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Ugh 2021 is already dead to me

Don’t be sad Jaded. Keep the faith All I saw initially was “Key Demon sidelined”. I was expecting much worse. Weed probably not in my top 15 of important players. 

I think we should wrap TMac, LJ and Mitch Brown in cotton wool until round 1.

12 minutes ago, jayceebee31 said:

Your kidding

He's been in the system for a while now and it's becoming increasingly  clear that he's not going to be the player we were hoping for.

The usual pessimists and doomsday lot are at it and good to see Dr D be able to turn another thread into a Goodwin bash, I take it he doesn't think much of him.

50 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Petty is a defender and has been training down back all pre season.

Yes dazz d 36  that is right with Petty however it doesn't mean that he forgot how to play as a key forward. He would hold up ok l believe.

Just now, one_demon said:

He's been in the system for a while now and it's becoming increasingly  clear that he's not going to be the player we were hoping for.

Don’t agree.....he showed his true promise last year and will be back - bigger and better 

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Said this before pre Brown and Weideman injury that I felt we still lacked depth in our forward department and was amazed we had not invited a Jackson Callow or Kaine Baldwin as a train on instead of Kobe Farmer and Deakyn Smith. Two big strong key forwards who are physically ready to go.

Callow invited to train with Hawthorn as of last week.

 

wha ? We have 2 x Browns, Jackson, Tmac and Weideman. and Petty's played key forward.We must have close to the most key forwards in the league. 

I had a lot of faith in Weids and thought the arrival of BB would be the catalyst for him allowing him to take the second defender each week.

He's missed a lot of games over the few seasons through injury and poor form. I'm starting to lose faith.

I thought Weideman was good last year. Averaged 1.5 goals per game and crashed packs while also helping Jackson out

17 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Petty is actually a forward. but goodwin sees him as a defender. If Goodwin had a brain he'd move Petty forward now but he won't because he's literally the worst coach of the modern era

I agree that Harry P is naturally a forward and should be training there.

Goodwin now has experienced assistants in Chocco & Yze that will have a say.

Given that the backline is well covered the obvious thing to do is send HP to train with the forwards

9 minutes ago, jayceebee31 said:

Don’t agree.....he showed his true promise last year and will be back - bigger and better 

People say that every year

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

Enter Mitch Brown.

 

Hnmm Not ideal and can I add a triple and quadrupple PAAAAAAAAAAARK to the narative!??

Righto agree with dazzle re could , should have invited both of the Robust forwards mentioned ... But we didnt.

Mitch Brown ( who scored 2 Brownlow Votes in an eye catching display last year), LJ and Tommy Mac to eck out enough goals until at least Benny Brown comes back, Unless Goody thinks outside the square and plays Petty Back and May forward in what would be a "Bold" Move!???

Edited February 10, 20214 yr by picket fence

While Weideman has not yet lived up to our hopes, the thought that BB would take pressure of Weideman allowing him to blossum was attractive.  Oh well....

35 minutes ago, one_demon said:

No great loss

Well said OD. Weed played a couple of great quarters in 2018 finals. Nothing much before or since. If this was a big loss then heaven help us.

Ben Brown is the key for this season. Tmac played correctly by Goodwin and others can carry the load. Jackson will be miles ahead of Weed by years end.

 

2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Hnmm Not ideal and can I add a triple and quadrupple PAAAAAAAAAAARK to the narative!??

Righto agree with dazzle re could , should have invited both of the Robust forwards mentioned ... But we didnt.

Mitch Brown ( who scored 2 Brownlow Votes in an eye catching display last year), LJ and Tommy Mac to eck out enough goals until at least Benny Brown comes back, Unless Goody thinks outside the square and plays Petty Back and May forward in what would be a "Bold" Move!???

Good post and I fear you may be on to something that Goody plays the likely AA Full Back down forward.

The defence is rock solid now and ripe for Goody to stuff up.

15 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

wha ? We have 2 x Browns, Jackson, Tmac and Weideman. and Petty's played key forward.We must have close to the most key forwards in the league. 

Mitch Brown is 31 years and we are in trouble and going nowhere if he's playing round 1. Ben Brown is half cooked with knee issues which we were well aware pre trade period. Petty has missed 12 months of football due to injury and will be a fair way off match fitness. Tom McDonald is cooked. He'll never get back to his best and people need to start accepting that. 

Weideman has now gone down. McDonald takes the number 1 defender now and Jackson the 2nd best.

Defenders will be laughing.

Edited February 10, 20214 yr by dazzledavey36

I haven't lost faith in Weid yet. However, I will say that in 2019 Petty was a more effective forward than him even though Weid was carrying injuries. Petty has had a couple of preseasons since then. He might end up being better than Weid for the time being. It looked like he and Tommo were going to be fighting over the one place in the backline so maybe that problem has been solved for the time being.

Edited February 10, 20214 yr by It's Time

Weideman and Ben Brown sidelined  is not like we would like it to look for us . It's not  nearing the end of the season  we are 6 weeks away from the season proper. 

For all it is worth to the critics of TMac he now becomes our most important forward. So we all hope that he brings his 2018 form to the park.  Thank heavens we kept Tmac and Mitch Brown as our security, 

Tom covers the Weid for now and hope Ben is back by at least round 2. IMO.    Don't forget  Fritch,   Kossi   Spargo   and our draftees. There is light at the end of the tunnel yet.

Edited February 10, 20214 yr by nosoupforme

Not sure I'm all that bothered really. The Weid is just a player and whilst at times has shown some promise has not lived up to most demonlanders (me included) expectations. As long as BB gets back in early course then we will be OK with Jackson, TMac, the other Brown, Fritter and smalls to carry the load until BB returns and then IF Weid returns mid year and show us/me something to get excited about. One door closes and another opens as most coaches will say.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Said this before pre Brown and Weideman injury that I felt we still lacked depth in our forward department and was amazed we had not invited a Jackson Callow or Kaine Baldwin as a train on instead of Kobe Farmer and Deakyn Smith. Two big strong key forwards who are physically ready to go.

Callow invited to train with Hawthorn as of last week.

 

So you think 1 of 2 untried 18/19 year olds who were not drafted would be slotted in round 1 and make the difference? How many slots do we have available and what would stop us listing one now? This is not preferred but better these happen now than half way through the season if they occur. Or we could just not be conservative and grind them both in the ground for round 1 and have them useless 3 rounds in? .Lucky we retained TMac and he is in good shape. Lucky we retained M Brown. I wonder if they look at pivoting Petty forward? 

Edited February 10, 20214 yr by big_red_fire_engine

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

Ugh 2021 is already dead to me

Jaded it is not as though we are missing a 50 goal forward. He was very average for most of last year and in the last month where we needed a key forward he was terrible. One game he had a total of 3 involvements. He had yet to prove he belongs at senior level IMO.

Edited February 10, 20214 yr by old dee