1 minute ago, TRIGON said:

Yep, and re Daniher they could have got pick nine in the 2019 AFL draft along with the Swans first-round pick this year.

Instead they got pick 7. 

Dildodoroed themselves.

Plus he played a handful of games. Dumb in the extreme. 

1 minute ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

any news brewing from a Dees perspective that could change that?

 

7 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Watching Tmc in 2020, he was not moving well.  Turning circle of the Titanic.  He was getting his hands to a lot of marks but failing to hold them like a forward should.  It’s a tough one. Certainly the memories of 2018 give us hope.  Also thought it might give us some trade value. Hard call.  Maybe a good preseason could be the difference. 

It's not like he Deliberately plays badly Its his fitness and form one would think..

Just hope he can turn it around and stun us all as Tom is a great Melb Clubman who deserves better. 
 

7 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I've been a critic of him in the past but I thought his 2020 was one of his better seasons.

Needs to venture forward more often and kick those classy goals from 50 on the run, in order to be more of a threat to the opposition.

Totally agree BBP Salos last half of season he was starting to impact with his skills by foot and hand and found himself further up the ground on ring and  half forward.

Petsonally I believe it's mainly about how urgently he plays the game and 2020 last half Was as good as he had been and importantly his impact was excellent in our Failed  finals push.

Play  him in forward   line say HFF snd I believe we will get a top5 in band f In season 2021.

The trade period is becoming a time of  rejection. Players and teams are rejecting each other even though, in some cases, they’re contractually bound together for another year or two or four. Clubs are rejecting offers from other clubs and, as a consequence, the days end with little achieved on the surface. We know that will change by 7.30 pm on Thursday evening but for now, we mostly wait as we always do on Essendon’s Adrian Dodoro. 

While a number of potential deals surrounding the Essendon Football Club remain in limbo and one — Orazio Fantasia’s move to Port Adelaide’s — may be about to fall apart, St Kilda seems to be pressing its claims as the competition’s home of choice to players on the move. Today’s big news was Jack Higgins’ request for a trade from Richmond to St Kilda. 

And apart from that ... 

2 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

The trade period is becoming a time of  rejection. Players and teams are rejecting each other even though, in some cases, they’re contractually bound together for another year or two or four. Clubs are rejecting offers from other clubs and, as a consequence, the days end with little achieved on the surface. We know that will change by 7.30 pm on Thursday evening but for now, we mostly wait as we always do on Essendon’s Adrian Dodoro. 

While a number of potential deals surrounding the Essendon Football Club remain in limbo and one — Orazio Fantasia’s move to Port Adelaide’s — may be about to fall apart, St Kilda seems to be pressing its claims as the competition’s home of choice to players on the move. Today’s big news was Jack Higgins’ request for a trade from Richmond to St Kilda. 

And apart from that ... 

Agree Whispering. And its reassuring which clubs are suffering from the ailments you've identified... Dons and Pies. I see it as a sign of a dysfunction in a club which (as we know too well at Melbourne) only results in years on the bottom.

Bodes poorly for the Pies and Dons... ?

AFL trades: Tom McDonald won’t be part of Ben Brown deal

“He does have some interest from Essendon. Having said that, Adrian (Dodoro) has a lot of balls up in the air. I would think Tom sits (behind the other deals). Sometimes it just takes one deal, the Adam Saad or (Jeremy Cameron) deal and the dominoes start to fall”. Alex McDonald - Tom’s manager.

Well, that explains a lot.

1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

The trade period is becoming a time of  rejection. Players and teams are rejecting each other even though, in some cases, they’re contractually bound together for another year or two or four. Clubs are rejecting offers from other clubs and, as a consequence, the days end with little achieved on the surface. We know that will change by 7.30 pm on Thursday evening but for now, we mostly wait as we always do on Essendon’s Adrian Dodoro. 

While a number of potential deals surrounding the Essendon Football Club remain in limbo and one — Orazio Fantasia’s move to Port Adelaide’s — may be about to fall apart, St Kilda seems to be pressing its claims as the competition’s home of choice to players on the move. Today’s big news was Jack Higgins’ request for a trade from Richmond to St Kilda. 

And apart from that ... 

Honestly, this is why we need to be able to trade players in contract, but have complete FA out of contract.

If a player wants security of salary? They can take it, but they might get traded. If they want to move, they always can but clubs will need to pay a premium for them. Alternatively, they can retain their option to move with short contracts, but they'll probably not get paid as much.

 

 

First rule of Trade Week - deals are made on the first and the last day

can’t remember the second rule....

If the cap is dropping 25% roughly $3M, and only dropping 4+-1 players, least paid players, it must be tough balancing books at most clubs, and those who back loaded deals, expecting cap to rise are doubly screwed (Magpies)!

This has likely had an impact on what clubs can do, with exception of a few, who perhaps had front loaded a couple of players.

Brown is a big win for the Demons, would really like to see one more player to come in to cover small forward or back, or a wingman!

Then your only looking at a few players to step up, of which small forwards we have a few options, wing not so much, small back not so much. 
Maybe we can fill a hole in the draft, or rookie draft(unlikely)!

Disappointed we couldn’t get Higgins, but getting rid of TMac salary or most of it, probably key to bringing in a Philip’s, Polec or Higgins type. Then again supposedly had money for Isaac Smith, I Wasn’t mad on Him As at 32 don’t need much to go wrong, to drop off perch, Jetta and N Jones examples for Demons!

Hoping we can pick up one more player before  This draft stage ends! ?

5 hours ago, 58er said:

Just hope he can turn it around and stun us all as Tom is a great Melb Clubman who deserves better. 

No idea what's gone on this year, there are so many factors involved, who knows. Carrying an injury? Overweight? The whole hub situation, the shorter quarters, even being a new dad ... ?

One thing I'd say though is that 2019 was a write-off for the whole club - for reasons we all know - and I'd be careful about singling out individuals. Would Tom have had a better year if the mid-field and those around him had a better year?

One thing though re 2019 is that from the middle of the season Tom definitely started to get his mojo back. He had one game with 28 possessions, and his best goal kicking game (6 goals) came later in 2019, not 2018. I wonder if we'd be having this discussion if he hadn't got injured and missed the whole back end of the season.

Conjecture of course, but I don't know that it's as black and white as it looks at first glance.

38 minutes ago, bing181 said:

No idea what's gone on this year, there are so many factors involved, who knows. Carrying an injury? Overweight? The whole hub situation, the shorter quarters, even being a new dad ... ?

One thing I'd say though is that 2019 was a write-off for the whole club - for reasons we all know - and I'd be careful about singling out individuals. Would Tom have had a better year if the mid-field and those around him had a better year?

One thing though re 2019 is that from the middle of the season Tom definitely started to get his mojo back. He had one game with 28 possessions, and his best goal kicking game (6 goals) came later in 2019, not 2018. I wonder if we'd be having this discussion if he hadn't got injured and missed the whole back end of the season.

Conjecture of course, but I don't know that it's as black and white as it looks at first glance.

Yeah that injury was at the worst time, he found form again over a number of games.  The question is what impact has it had on him since and can it be fixed.  Hopefully it can.

9 hours ago, bing181 said:

No idea what's gone on this year, there are so many factors involved, who knows. Carrying an injury? Overweight? The whole hub situation, the shorter quarters, even being a new dad ... ?

One thing I'd say though is that 2019 was a write-off for the whole club - for reasons we all know - and I'd be careful about singling out individuals. Would Tom have had a better year if the mid-field and those around him had a better year?

One thing though re 2019 is that from the middle of the season Tom definitely started to get his mojo back. He had one game with 28 possessions, and his best goal kicking game (6 goals) came later in 2019, not 2018. I wonder if we'd be having this discussion if he hadn't got injured and missed the whole back end of the season.

Conjecture of course, but I don't know that it's as black and white as it looks at first glance.

The problem Bing is that the club have decided to offer him up

We are having the discussion purely based on the club view that he is not a required player

 

15 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

AFL trades: Tom McDonald won’t be part of Ben Brown deal

“He does have some interest from Essendon. Having said that, Adrian (Dodoro) has a lot of balls up in the air. I would think Tom sits (behind the other deals). Sometimes it just takes one deal, the Adam Saad or (Jeremy Cameron) deal and the dominoes start to fall”. Alex McDonald - Tom’s manager.

Well, that explains a lot.

Choose your own interpretation. There are so many choices to go with for the bold text.

15 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Choose your own interpretation. There are so many choices to go with for the bold text.

"Dodoro balls up" sounds right.

31 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

 

Yes. Dodoro wants to exchange the muffin for a croissant and an Apple danish. He says the Muffin was excellent and deserves two good selections in exchange.  
 

The coffee was unsettled but will stay with Dodoro.  

 

12 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Highway robbery!

7 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Highway robbery!

For whom?

10 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Highway robbery!

Maybe Dodoro sent back his muffin for this giant marshmallow.

9 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Highway robbery!

Peter Wright really hasn't shown much.

May come on but may go the way of Daniel Gorringe.

7 minutes ago, Action Jackson said:

Peter Wright really hasn't shown much.

May come on but may go the way of Daniel Gorringe.

What, Wright is going on Big Brother?

17 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Highway robbery!

For Essendon if they're getting the 2017 model who kicked 32 goals as forward ruck.

For GC if they're getting the 2020 model who failed to play a game in a poor side despite being highly rated.