2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

can't help but think there is much more to this story than is being made public

I agree. Although it could come down to mismanagement of their cap. I don’t think they expected to have so many players needed huge deals. Grundy, Moore, Treloar, Adams etc. 

now with DeGeoy needing a big deal they are complete screwed and need to offload a star. 
but if they are doing that by creating a narrative of Treloars health issues it is not only disgusting but stupid as who would take on his salary

On 10/27/2020 at 3:43 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

The Grundy Contract is another big part of it

It's ironic that individual player's greed for a lot more money ends up crippling the very club they play for and the chances of a flag. Players talk about how important team success is but then they jeopardise this (I'm sure they can still pay their mortgage and look after their family on say 900k a year compared to 850k)

10 minutes ago, The Lobster Effect said:

It's ironic that individual player's greed for a lot more money ends up crippling the very club they play for and the chances of a flag. Players talk about how important team success is but then they jeopardise this (I'm sure they can still pay their mortgage and look after their family on say 900k a year compared to 850k)

A contract is a contract

19 minutes ago, The Lobster Effect said:

It's ironic that individual player's greed for a lot more money ends up crippling the very club they play for and the chances of a flag. Players talk about how important team success is but then they jeopardise this (I'm sure they can still pay their mortgage and look after their family on say 900k a year compared to 850k)

hope your boss doesn't read DL otherwise he'll give you a pay cut tomorrow ?

11 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

hope your boss doesn't read DL otherwise he'll give you a pay cut tomorrow ?

Sssh

23 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

A contract is a contract

I meant more at the negotiation stage when the contract is first being worked out. I guess player's agents will usually always push for lots more money, even above market value, which is why it's impressive when some clubs get their existing players to accept slightly less for the greater good (Hawthorn during their flag years, Geelong.. and Richmond now?) 

1 hour ago, The Lobster Effect said:

(I'm sure they can still pay their mortgage and look after their family on say 900k a year compared to 850k)

$850,000........................... In what world could anyone survive let alone thrive on $850,000.

No, 900k makes that leap from poverty to just getting by.

4 hours ago, Older demon said:

Worth noting Collingwood only willing to pay $200K of his contract for 1 year, not every year of his contract. Year 1 he is a bit cheaper for a club but year 2 and beyond you are looking at $800-900 K a year for 4 years. Any wonder no-one is blinking. He isn't that good for that sort of money. On the human side I think Collingwood's handling of this and the other players contracts has been extremely poor and note, not a peep out of Eddie, who has an opinion on  everything.

If the club has been so supportive they must have known about the plan for his wife to take up a contract up north. If they really cared wouldn't they advise him prior to that, their belief that it wasn't in his best interests at Collingwood. Its not like she is earning the sort of money Adam is. Something stinks IMO.

Maybe they did advise him.....

3 hours ago, Elegt said:

Treloar came 4th in the brownlow a few years ago, Clarry hasn't come close to winning it

Dear God.

Oliver has made the AA team, Treloar hasn't.

Oliver has two club B&Fs, Treloar none.

Oliver is 23, Treloar is 27.

Finally, seeing as though Brownlow votes are for some reason significant to you, Oliver averages 1 vote for every 1.8 game he plays and Treloar averages 1 vote for every 2.3 games he plays.  So even on your very flawed metric Oliver has him covered.

Treloar's Brownlow tally after his first 5 years is 33 votes compared to Oliver's 54.  Treloar 101 games and Oliver 99.

Oliver's average should go higher seeing as he hasn't even reached his prime years.

 

Edited October 28, 20204 yr by Hannibal Inc.

Yeah you've had an absolute mare here @Elegt..

Surely Ned Guys head will be on the chopping block?

It has been a bit of a disaster there since he’s crossed over from player manager to list boss. 
 

Board been asleep at the wheel and maybe too focused on premiership tilts with little regard for sustainability?

1 hour ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

Dear God.

Oliver has made the AA team, Treloar hasn't.

Oliver has two club B&Fs, Treloar none.

Oliver is 23, Treloar is 27.

Finally, seeing as though Brownlow votes are for some reason significant to you, Oliver averages 1 vote for every 1.8 game he plays and Treloar averages 1 vote for every 2.3 games he plays.  So even on your very flawed metric Oliver has him covered.

Treloar's Brownlow tally after his first 5 years is 33 votes compared to Oliver's 54.  Treloar 101 games and Oliver 99.

Oliver's average should go higher seeing as he hasn't even reached his prime years.

 

I'm not talking about Treloar's first 5 years or saying Clayton won't be better than Treloar. I just believe if you play a game today with all of those players lining up Treloar would be the first picked. He is a gun

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Yeah you've had an absolute mare here @Elegt..

Why? His posting is always the same.

All his posts are mares. I don't know are you can distinguish one from another.

It seems clear to me that Treloar wouldn’t be a target for us for all of the reasons outlined above.

That said, he strikes me as a thoroughly good fella. The way he’s been treated by the Pies has been absolutely appalling - almost sickening to watch.

I hope he gets to another club and enjoys genuine and sustainable success there. Sometimes life throws up these ugly curve balls - only for them ultimately to turn out to be for the best. I really hope we’re looking at one of those moments here.

I feel that the entire AFL community is backing him in here.

I wish him (and his wife and little kid) all the best.

 

Collingwood have really shot themselves in the foot here with this one. I'd be going to Collingwood with a trade package centering around Brayshaw. Oliver, Trac, Treloar could be a scarily good midfield.

There’s something awfully wrong here. It smells of a cover up. 

Collingwood extended his contract last year and he’s on massive coin thanks to a heavily backended contract. His pay put him at the top of the pile at the club and he’s been a fine servant over the years. 

The messaging from the club to its player group and supporters is confounding and the repercussions could be massive in the future.  

 

Collingwood enticed him to come to them on big money, apparently backloaded. Sounds like their problem and I don't see why we or anyone else should be rushing to save them. Same thing might happen at Carlton and Saints in the future. Just like the Buddy deal with Sydney, they need to be held to their deals. Taking him on for a fair value is fine, but having to wear a Collingwood mistake for years would stink. They either cover difference between what a new team is prepared to pay and what they contacted him to for the rest of the contract term, or they can be stuck with their mistake and live with their greed. 

45 minutes ago, Left Foot Snap said:

Collingwood enticed him to come to them on big money, apparently backloaded. Sounds like their problem and I don't see why we or anyone else should be rushing to save them. Same thing might happen at Carlton and Saints in the future. Just like the Buddy deal with Sydney, they need to be held to their deals. Taking him on for a fair value is fine, but having to wear a Collingwood mistake for years would stink. They either cover difference between what a new team is prepared to pay and what they contacted him to for the rest of the contract term, or they can be stuck with their mistake and live with their greed. 

Whoever gets him I really hope they make them pay for their own mismanagement. I would be filthy if Melbourne chose to accept his insanely back ended contract. It also means that another team would be paying for Collingwood’s tactics in which they enticed him to the club. It’s despicable. 

Are back ended deals a form of salary cap cheating? Like with Treloar's contract, offer player a $ 800000 season but pay 70% in first year, but then offload him before paying big money, which allows them to keep players when they think they are in a premiership year.

8 hours ago, Roger Mellie said:

Why? His posting is always the same.

All his posts are mares. I don't know are you can distinguish one from another.

True

8 hours ago, Elegt said:

I'm not talking about Treloar's first 5 years or saying Clayton won't be better than Treloar. I just believe if you play a game today with all of those players lining up Treloar would be the first picked. He is a gun

Treloar is a very good player....Oliver won't be better, Oliver is already better & would be first picked.

8 hours ago, Roger Mellie said:

Why? His posting is always the same.

All his posts are mares. I don't know are you can distinguish one from another.

I like Treloar and unlike some if we could manage it I'd like him in our midfield.  But Oliver is a demonstrably better player, whether it be contested footy, loose balls, ground balls, etc. Oliver's combined speed and inside ball winning abilities are a more valuable combination than Treloar's accumulation, break away speed and sometimes questionable distribution. 

I think Oliver's loose ball and ground ball get abilities are sometimes overlooked.  He's been the best in the league for the last 3 years.  The ability to get first use of the footy and be the best in the league at it is huge. 

And we're yet to see the best of him.  All he needs to do is use his legs more, which he started to do, and tidy up his disposal and decision making, which is quite within his capabilities.  He's only just coming into his prime years. 

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Do we really have the cap room though?  It sounds like we're all in for Ben Brown and Isaac Smith and, even if we offload Tom McDonald and Preuss, I don't think it's going to add much to what we can pay players if we get both of those guys in.

If we could actually do it and take on his contract without hamstringing ourselves in signing up other players, then I'd go for it, especially if they are happy to let him go for a second round pick or something along those lines.

12 hours ago, The Lobster Effect said:

It's ironic that individual player's greed for a lot more money ends up crippling the very club they play for and the chances of a flag. Players talk about how important team success is but then they jeopardise this (I'm sure they can still pay their mortgage and look after their family on say 900k a year compared to 850k)

Much as I dislike Geelong and Hawthorn, they have both kept their successful lists together by (most at least) of their players not getting too greedy. 

12 hours ago, Superunknown said:

A contract is a contract

Should be .... but as with coaches in particular not always, it appears.