12 minutes ago, deanox said:

He came because we discussed playing two rucks.

Well then this is poor research from the demons and pruess over estimating his abilities

he has been good to have a back up in case gawn goes down but that’s it. 

Hopefully we have scouts around the place and know who the best ruck/fwd is not on an AFL list. 

3 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Giants and Swans interested so far but i expect that to grow quite a bit. definitely a few clubs that would love him 

I would be setting the price high and making clubs pay up if they'd like him. he's contracted 

I'd expect Geelong to monitor the situation as well.

On 9/27/2020 at 5:12 PM, John Demonic said:

Just for arguements sake, Jack viney does want to go to Geelong. I wonder if we can trade Preuss and 47 to Geelong for an OVERS (Tampering) pick like their #17, on the promise that we don't match the UFA bid and force a trade, then we also get compo on JV in the first round too I assume.

Then we have 11 or 19 JV compo, 17* (Geel) and 21 (Haw)

Gee sounds more complicated than me making poached eggs for breakfast!

2 hours ago, Pates said:

I think we sold part of an idea of a two ruckman system, plus there was a lot of concern about our lack of depth with ruckman should Gawn go down. Perhaps we also sold the idea that he would be our future. 

Either way I’d personally say that his value has increased rather than decreased. He’d walk into at least three clubs as their number one ruck. 

...and develop skills that he may have gained at the MFC, becoming a steadfast ruck/forward, resting Gawny for a while each game and marking and kicking 40 goals per season - he is still a beast, has mongrel somewhere and wants the ball. All he really has to do is adapt and learn, practise his skills and be determined to succeed, coz he's a big boy, now.

4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Still to this day one of the most bizarre recruitments we've had...

Perception is an interesting thing. I think it was a good move at the time and has the potential to be rewarding if he is traded.

Dees needed a "ready made" back up for Max, as others have said injuries/not being fit enough hasn't helped him. Pruess choice is the strange one.

7 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Off to GWS I reckon.

 

I'm hoping the club would be having a strong preference to dealing with the Sydney Swans. We would potentially get a better draft pick in return. 

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Well then this is poor research from the demons and pruess over estimating his abilities

he has been good to have a back up in case gawn goes down but that’s it. 

Hopefully we have scouts around the place and know who the best ruck/fwd is not on an AFL list. 

I wasn't saying we planned to use two rucks, I was saying I think we told him we had that plan. I remember reading a quote from Preuss about having a conversation with Goodwin about playing two rucks. 

I can't get past the paywall buy the blurb on google suggests there may be quotes here. 

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/max-gawn-likes-idea-of-north-melbournes-braydon-preuss-joining-him-at-the-demons/news-story/ce9af9644fec250e8dd97f32736be73f

 

17 minutes ago, Storm Boy said:

I'm hoping the club would be having a strong preference to dealing with the Sydney Swans. We would potentially get a better draft pick in return. 

GWS could get an end of 1st round compo (pick 20) for Corr which would be a couple of picks better than Sydneys pick 22. These 2 picks will drift to about 27 and 29 which might be a good return for Preuss. GWS will have a couple of fringe players traded around the pick 25 to 35 mark. With all this and pick swaps, we should be ok to trade with them if we want a pick. 

The MFC has been a fertile ground for developing top line rucks for other clubs in the last few decades.  Thinking mainly of Jolly, Stef Martin ?

Just watch Preuss master the dark arts of belting around opposition mids with immunity from umpires as the apprentice to the Sith lord Mumford should he end up at GWS.

Edited September 28, 20204 yr by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

1 minute ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

The MFC has been a fertile ground for developing top line rucks for other clubs in the last few decades.  Thinking mainly of Jolly, Stef Martin ?

And Snakes. Who played at three clubs 

39 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

The MFC has been a fertile ground for developing top line rucks for other clubs in the last few decades.  Thinking mainly of Jolly, Stef Martin ?

Add in Troy Simonds. 
but to be fair we’ve usually been well presented ourselves in the ruck. 

50 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

Troy Simonds

Per @Storm Boy- "Snakes"

5 hours ago, The Lobster Effect said:

Could we do a three way trade of polec-preuss-gws pick?

I love the picks and player swaps. 
 

Polec and NMFC pick 57 and GWS future 4th round 2021 pick and to Dees 

Preuss and Dees pick 62 and Kangas future 3rd around 2021 pick to GWS 

GWS Picks 39 and 46 and Dees future 4th round 2021 pick to Kangas 

Almost fell off my chair when watching 360’s “Real or overreaction” segment and the question popped up on whether or not there was a lineup for Braydon Preuss. Fair to say I never expected Preussy to be a discussion point on one of the main AFL talk shows.

Whateley said it was “realish” while going on to say that the “idea“ of Preuss would appeal to some clubs. By which I assume he meant a ready made, physical, old style ruckman, fresh from an apprenticeship under the game’s premier big man.

I’d be amazed if we got anything more than a third rounder in total value. That said, if I were one of the Sydney clubs, GWS in particular, I’d be willing to part with a late second.

11 minutes ago, P-man said:

Almost fell off my chair when watching 360’s “Real or overreaction” segment and the question popped up on whether or not there was a lineup for Braydon Preuss. Fair to say I never expected Preussy to be a discussion point on one of the main AFL talk shows.

Whateley said it was “realish” while going on to say that the “idea“ of Preuss would appeal to some clubs. By which I assume he meant a ready made, physical, old style ruckman, fresh from an apprenticeship under the game’s premier big man.

I’d be amazed if we got anything more than a third rounder in total value. That said, if I were one of the Sydney clubs, GWS in particular, I’d be willing to part with a late second.

Funny times, if your assessment is correct then I would not trade unless it is a Sydney Club and a second rounder or player swap. I am ready to be howled down and I love what Max brings as a player and a person but it is almost a shame now days to have your best player a ruckman. if you had say a forward of maxs standing and a preuss type in the ruck, would it be better?

These are the ruck trades (excluding those that are so complicated that it's hard to ascertain the value) simplified from the past 10 seasons so that we can get an idea for the value of Preuss. Some are mentioned twice because they've been traded multiple times.

Matthew Lobbe, Jonathan Giles - Free-ish

Sam Jacobs, Darcy Cameron, Zac Smith, Marc Pittonet, Andrew Phillips, Nathan Vardy, Stef Martin, Jonathon Griffin – 4^th round

Toby Nankervis, Trent West – 3^rd round

Tom Hickey, Jarrod Witts, Zac Smith – 2^nd / 3^rd round

Shaun Hampson, Shane Mumford, Billy Longer, Tom Hickey, Ivan Maric, Brent Renouf, Sam Jacobs  – 2^nd round

Paddy Ryder, Ben McEvoy, David Hale – 1^st round

I think Preuss sits comfortably in the second round, perhaps even at the early end of it. The difference between a lot of the rucks on this list and Preuss is that barely any were in contract and were leaving for more opportunity. We have Preuss in contract, so we don't have to accept a sub-par trade. I'd be extremely surprised if we got anything less than a decent second round pick for him, especially with the thin ruck stocks for trade this year.

Preuss is worth at least a second round pick, but other clubs are using the media to drive us down.

Genuinely disillusioned with our club.

Max is turning 30 and we have Luke Jackson, a second year underdeveloped kid as our only backup. (Bradtke is not backup).

Obviously trade period is still a while off, but I can't believe we're not even willing to trial these two for a good chunk of the season. Preuss is coming into his prime and has had two years to learn under Max. Isn't this the reason we brought him in?

I simply cannot understand it.

 

2 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

Genuinely disillusioned with our club.

Max is turning 30 and we have Luke Jackson, a second year underdeveloped kid as our only backup. (Bradtke is not backup).

Obviously trade period is still a while off, but I can't believe we're not even willing to trial these two for a good chunk of the season. Preuss is coming into his prime and has had two years to learn under Max. Isn't this the reason we brought him in?

I simply cannot understand it.

 

eh? max turns 29 at the end of this year

jackson is one of the most exciting young talls we've recruited in a long, long time

preuss turns 26 midway thru next season and has played less than 20 games in his time playing afl; if he has value, now is the time to move him on

I don’t think we’d be actively looking at pushing Preuss out the door. Perhaps other clubs have made inquiries and are willing to give him the opportunity to be their starting ruckman and we’re just doing the right thing by him and giving him the chance. 

7 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

Genuinely disillusioned with our club.

Max is turning 30 and we have Luke Jackson, a second year underdeveloped kid as our only backup. (Bradtke is not backup).

Obviously trade period is still a while off, but I can't believe we're not even willing to trial these two for a good chunk of the season. Preuss is coming into his prime and has had two years to learn under Max. Isn't this the reason we brought him in?

I simply cannot understand it.

Where is there any evidence the club is pushing him out or wants to trade him?

All we seem to know at the moment is a report from one journalist that says Preuss wants to leave.

22 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

eh? max turns 29 at the end of this year

jackson is one of the most exciting young talls we've recruited in a long, long time

preuss turns 26 midway thru next season and has played less than 20 games in his time playing afl; if he has value, now is the time to move him on

 

Which means Max is turning 30 at the end of next year.

So.. he's turning 30 going into a season potentially without a backup. Jackson is a ripper, but name one other club who begins a home and away campaign with one mature-aged ruckman and the next being a 19 year old kid?

 

20 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Where is there any evidence the club is pushing him out or wants to trade him?

All we seem to know at the moment is a report from one journalist that says Preuss wants to leave.

 

If Preuss has decided to seek a trade elsewhere, what does that tell you?

He came to our club for a reason which was the proposition of playing alongside Max. There is evidence for that everywhere. 

Goodwin refused to trial it for long enough and instead continued to play Tom McDonald even though he was offering the side next to nothing.

Edited September 29, 20204 yr by JimmyGadson

Trade him for one of the GWS first rounders that are OOC: O'halloran, Caldwell or Hateley whichever fills our needs most. They'll all have more talent than whatever we might get in the second round this year.

33 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

 

Which means Max is turning 30 at the end of next year.

So.. he's turning 30 going into a season potentially without a backup. Jackson is a ripper, but name one other club who begins a home and away campaign with one mature-aged ruckman and the next being a 19 year old kid?

no, he turns 30 literally the day before 2021 ends; he'll be 29 for the entirety of 2021

most teams run with one ruckman on ground at all times - there's no need to 'panic' about us running with just gawn and jackson being our sole two rucks on the list in 2021 as there's still a whole trade and recruiting period to come