CHANGES: Rd 16 vs Fremantle

[Lord Travis 10,163]

4 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

Do you know if the injuries are serious Titan? 4 days is a very short turnaround for even a mild injury. 

Believe Brayshaw injured his ankle when it was rolled badly. Will miss 2-3 matches.

Harmes has minor hamstring strain and will likely miss 2.

[Lord Travis 10,163]

Not many decent players left to come in. May as well start preparing for 2021. Even if we miraculously win all 3 remaining matches and make finals, we’re not going to do any damage.

Give the Jordan, Bedford, Baker types a run.

[Coq au vin 754]

4 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

 At least it will have some fresh legs and young hopefully hungry players in it.

Take that any day over the same old.

Garbage. The top teams have top players. Not fringe players.

[Coq au vin 754]

1 minute ago, Lord Travis said:

Not many decent players left to come in. May as well start preparing for 2021. Even if we miraculously win all 3 remaining matches and make finals, we’re not going to do any damage.

Give the Jordan, Bedford, Baker types a run.

Nope. Delist them and get in some elite players.

[old dee 22,848]

4 hours ago, Coq au vin said:

It’s looking like a VFL side.

It’s playing like one.

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

2 minutes ago, Coq au vin said:

Garbage. The top teams have top players. Not fringe players.

 Nobody said we were a top team

[FritschyBusiness 1,455]

We are not a top team but we can be on our way to being one if you keep the core together and improving on "the system" well at least i hope. If you look at the teams above us and below us and who we have beat we sit exactly where we deserve to be right now.
Yes we all think we should be better, the talent is there.

I'd like to see this team this week along with these things. 

Trent Rivers is an absolute find must keep playing, I would love to see the back six in the team below + lockhart gel together
We really missed kozzie pressure in the fwd50, he might not get alot of it, but the lack of pressure was really missing
Lockhart never looks lazy, lets get his energy back in the team
Let's see Harley make an impact, start him in the middle since we have a couple midfielders out 
I know the hypon and JWags annoy alot of people however I don't think they have been bad enough to drop
They need to find a way to get Milkshake more into the game and use him to connect to our forwards, A run in the midfield this week please
The May experiment up forward was nice to see Goody try anything to get something in that game, but he is not the answer to the forward line
Goodwin coaching from the bench again. He has a stoic approach to coaching which is rare and could be a calming influence, giving direct advice to the players he has such a good relationship with on the spot to influence the game more.
A message means more when you look them in the eye.

FB: [ 20] Adam Tomlinson, [1] Steven May, [8] Jake Lever
HB: [3] Christian Salem, [24] Trent Rivers, [14] Michael Hibberd
? [15] Ed Langdon, [17] Harley Bennell,  [31] Bayley Fritsch
HF:  [22] Aaron vandenBerg  [26] Sam Weideman, [5] Christian Petracca
FF: [9] Charlie Spargo,[38] Mitch Brown, [36] Kysaiah Pickett
Fol: [11] Max Gawn, [7] Jack Viney, [13] Clayton Oliver
B:  [41] Jay Lockhart, [42] Josh Wagner [30] Alex Neal-Bullen [18] Jake Melksham

In: [41] Jay Lockhart,  [14] Michael Hibberd, [17] Harley Bennell, [22] Aaron vandenBerg, [36] Kysaiah Pickett

out: [4] James Harmes [10] Angus Brayshaw  [2] Nathan Jones, [28] Oscar McDonald, [44] Joel Smith 

 

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,148]

Glad Hibberd’s available.

[Coq au vin 754]

57 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

 Nobody said we were a top team

We can be and we should be.

[spirit of norm smith 12,899]

1 hour ago, FritschyBusiness said:

We are not a top team but we can be on our way to being one if you keep the core together and improving on "the system" well at least i hope. If you look at the teams above us and below us and who we have beat we sit exactly where we deserve to be right now.
Yes we all think we should be better, the talent is there.

I'd like to see this team this week along with these things. 

Trent Rivers is an absolute find must keep playing, I would love to see the back six in the team below + lockhart gel together
We really missed kozzie pressure in the fwd50, he might not get alot of it, but the lack of pressure was really missing
Lockhart never looks lazy, lets get his energy back in the team
Let's see Harley make an impact, start him in the middle since we have a couple midfielders out 
I know the hypon and JWags annoy alot of people however I don't think they have been bad enough to drop
They need to find a way to get Milkshake more into the game and use him to connect to our forwards, A run in the midfield this week please
The May experiment up forward was nice to see Goody try anything to get something in that game, but he is not the answer to the forward line
Goodwin coaching from the bench again. He has a stoic approach to coaching which is rare and could be a calming influence, giving direct advice to the players he has such a good relationship with on the spot to influence the game more.
A message means more when you look them in the eye.

FB: [ 20] Adam Tomlinson, [1] Steven May, [8] Jake Lever
HB: [3] Christian Salem, [24] Trent Rivers, [14] Michael Hibberd
? [15] Ed Langdon, [17] Harley Bennell,  [31] Bayley Fritsch
HF:  [22] Aaron vandenBerg  [26] Sam Weideman, [5] Christian Petracca
FF: [9] Charlie Spargo,[38] Mitch Brown, [36] Kysaiah Pickett
Fol: [11] Max Gawn, [7] Jack Viney, [13] Clayton Oliver
B:  [41] Jay Lockhart, [42] Josh Wagner [30] Alex Neal-Bullen [18] Jake Melksham

In: [41] Jay Lockhart,  [14] Michael Hibberd, [17] Harley Bennell, [22] Aaron vandenBerg, [36] Kysaiah Pickett

out: [4] James Harmes [10] Angus Brayshaw  [2] Nathan Jones, [28] Oscar McDonald, [44] Joel Smith 

 

Love it

[whatwhat say what 18,912]

it's pretty clear we're going to be light on for midfield rotations against freo

basically the only genuine centre square players left are the core trio of oliver, petracca, and viney

this round i would like to see the likes of anb (who played midfield his entire junior career), melksham, avb, perhaps even salem and rivers rotated in there

[Deemania since 56 6,132]

6 hours ago, Coq au vin said:

A very interesting observation on the radio today by Leigh Matthews that the coach and his coaching make very little difference to the outcome of games. He said it’s what the players do on the field that wins games, not the coaching. This seems pretty obvious except to some on this blog site.

Disagree, as it is where the coach places his players (assessments of attributes in the game plan) onfield, backed up by the team development and skills readiness in continuous interactions. If this was the case - that the coach has little effect - then there would be no need for alternative plans, onfield modifications, player briefings, etc., across the game at 1/4 time, 1/2 time/ 3/4 time and with the bench / other coaches to adjust onfield performances or to reinforce good practices.

Interesting to observe and note that Goodwin fails to meet many of these criteria. 

 

[Pates 9,536]

3 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Disagree, as it is where the coach places his players (assessments of attributes in the game plan) onfield, backed up by the team development and skills readiness in continuous interactions. If this was the case - that the coach has little effect - then there would be no need for alternative plans, onfield modifications, player briefings, etc., across the game at 1/4 time, 1/2 time/ 3/4 time and with the bench / other coaches to adjust onfield performances or to reinforce good practices.

Interesting to observe and note that Goodwin fails to meet many of these criteria. 

 

I feel like we’re yet to see Goodwin pull an in-game master stroke move. It’s pretty much either plan A works or it doesn’t. That would be my biggest critique of him that he doesn’t seem to have any moves to shuffle things if it isn’t working. 

[old dee 22,848]

12 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

 Nobody said we were a top team

How can everyone be this correct.

[cantstandyasam 700]

2 hours ago, Pates said:

I feel like we’re yet to see Goodwin pull an in-game master stroke move. It’s pretty much either plan A works or it doesn’t. That would be my biggest critique of him that he doesn’t seem to have any moves to shuffle things if it isn’t working. 

Not sure if that is it or whether Goodwin is so confident and stubborn that no matter what his way is right and perhaps he will wear losses to make his point.

[Deemania since 56 6,132]

1 minute ago, cantstandyasam said:

Not sure if that is it or whether Goodwin is so confident and stubborn that no matter what his way is right and perhaps he will wear losses to make his point.

There is very little doubt about that occurring, CSYS. From recent memory, he hasn't made his point, yet. Consequently, we are all wearing it with abnormal amounts of tolerance. Singular, weird ideas - leading to multiple (thousands) dissatisfactions.

What are the Board of the MFC doing about it?

[Deemania since 56 6,132]

13 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Thats good news. Hore showed plenty for us last year.  He may not fit in the team with both Hibberd and Lever available though.

He's a go-er! Has a little bit of mongrel at the ball. Doesn't chat with his opponents. Has a focus and tries very hard to achieve it. Must have a run - he is able to hold down CHB (ignore the height factor - Hardeman never had it) for at least half a game. Go for it, Hore!

[old dee 22,848]

11 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

He's a go-er! Has a little bit of mongrel at the ball. Doesn't chat with his opponents. Has a focus and tries very hard to achieve it. Must have a run - he is able to hold down CHB (ignore the height factor - Hardeman never had it) for at least half a game. Go for it, Hore!

Sorry but like a lot outside the best 22 he is one of the many NQR group. There is a reason he spent so long in the vfl, like Hannah they are not good enough. 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

13 hours ago, Coq au vin said:

A very interesting observation on the radio today by Leigh Matthews that the coach and his coaching make very little difference to the outcome of games. He said it’s what the players do on the field that wins games, not the coaching. This seems pretty obvious except to some on this blog site.

Completely out of context otherwise he would have never got the dollars he did for coaching when it as if you say, irrelevant. Goes against all evidence in every sport in the world. 

[forever demons 1,814]

6 minutes ago, old dee said:

Sorry but like a lot outside the best 22 he is one of the many NQR group. There is a reason he spent so long in the vfl, like Hannah they are not good enough. 

Sadly but true OD but liked the way Hore went about it

[old dee 22,848]

2 minutes ago, forever demons said:

Sadly but true OD but liked the way Hore went about it

I don’t fault his desire and effort fd but that is not enough.

[Bitter but optimistic 21,238]

13 hours ago, Coq au vin said:

A very interesting observation on the radio today by Leigh Matthews that the coach and his coaching make very little difference to the outcome of games. He said it’s what the players do on the field that wins games, not the coaching. This seems pretty obvious except to some on this blog site.

A truism no doubt.

However, it is the coach's responsibility to have players in the optimum shape before they go on the field to give them the maximum chance of doing the job.

This includes fitness, tactics, positions and attitude.

[Deemania since 56 6,132]

17 minutes ago, old dee said:

Sorry but like a lot outside the best 22 he is one of the many NQR group. There is a reason he spent so long in the vfl, like Hannah they are not good enough. 

Those in the best 22 and some on the cusp of the best 22 are no longer '...good enough...' as well - ironic, isn't it?

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,163]

We have a great opportunity due to injury to completely change our midfield mix this week. Two of Oliver, Trac and Viney should be the constant but the third position should be a combination of Melksham, Bennell, C Wagner, Rivers even Spargo for spurts. Let’s compliment the inside bulls with some polish and run. This and include Baker and Bedford for some run. I suspect we won’t do this and just add another insider in Vandenberg but if there is ever a chance to do something different this is the week. 

[old dee 22,848]

5 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Those in the best 22 and some on the cusp of the best 22 are no longer '...good enough...' as well - ironic, isn't it?

Agree a number never were but were carried along by the top ten, now 3- 4 of that 10 have dropped off or left and they now look like they always were, not good enough.