TEAMS: Rd 12 vs Collingwood

[Redleg 38,038]

10 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Hannan out and vandenBerg still in.

Tell me the absolute lie that Goody doesn't play favourites despite form.

 

Who would you want in a predicted wet game, Hannan or bash and crash VDB?

[Call Me What You Will 713]

Harmes very lucky, Rivers and Hannan dead set stiff

Edited August 14, 2020 by Call Me What You Will

[Watts the matter 1,235]

7 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

On the Coll side:

In: Jamie Elliott, Scott Pendlebury, Ben Reid, Darcy Moore, Will Hoskin-Elliott

Out: Brayden Sier (quad), Jaidyn Stephenson (omitted), Jordan Roughead (concussion), Tim Broomhead (omitted), Chris Mayne (omitted)

Every chance Pendlebury and Hoskin-Elliot underdoen and other Key injuriey outs:  Howe, Treloar, DeGoey

Stephenson out is interesting...who is going to kick their goals!

We have a much better team than they have and 2 days extra rest. 

Dees to win.

Called the Stephenson out earlier in the other thread, is having a shocking season and has been a liability with his inability to contest. Stephenson has kicked 3 goals in the last 6 weeks and 2 of them were from Adelaide kicking the ball straight to him. 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Who would you want in a predicted wet game, Hannan or bash and crash VDB?

vandenBerg last week had 6 clangers and 4 turnovers from 11 disposals. He also gave away a goal with undisciplined play for the 2nd week in a row.

Surely with Viney, Petracca, Oliver, Preuss and Sparrow in the middle we have enough "bash and crash".

Our problem for 3 years has been skill and inside 50 efficiency. Who do you reckon helps more with that out of Hannan and vandenBerg?

It's a pathetic decision by Goodwin even if you just want to look at the discipline aspect of it.

Edited August 14, 2020 by Lord Nev

[JTR 2,672]

I hope Viney coming in for Hannan sees him spending more time forward and Brayshaw stays in the middle, rather than the other way around.

[Demonland 66,485]

3 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Stephenson has much better form against us.

Played us twice.

4.3 in 2018

3.3 in 2019

[Demon17 4,638]

15 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Hannan out and vandenBerg still in.

Tell me the absolute lie that Goody doesn't play favourites despite form.

 

Including the ex skipper in your list after last week.

[Sideshow Bob 2,165]

Rivers stiff

Hannan unlucky

Tough job this selection game. Solid bodies to crack in - AvB stays because everyone walks taller with him near them - a protector even if mostly in presence - Oppo guys are scared ****less with him around.

 

[DemonLad5 1,640]

Vandenberg is a barometer so I understand keeping him in. Hope Harmes staying in means he’s tagging Sidebottom because he was terrible last week 

Jones lucky

like our team much better with Hannan in it! 

[Watts the matter 1,235]

Just now, Lord Nev said:

vandenBerg last week had 6 clangers and 4 turnovers from 11 disposals. He also gave away a goal with undisciplined play for the 2nd week in a row.

Surely with Viney, Petracca, Oliver, Preuss and Sparrow in the middle we have enough "bash and crash".

Our problem for 3 years has been skill and inside 50 efficiency. Who do you reckon helps more with that our of Hannan and vandenBerg?

It's a pathetic decision by Goodwin even if you just want to look at the discipline aspect of it.

Even though Sparrow hasn't done anything wrong and is tracking along nicely, I would have left him out and kept Hannan in for team balance.

[Lucifers Hero 37,323]

Predict us to win. 

But it will come down to game plan.  Collingwood consistently beat us on the outside and spread quickly ala Port and Lions loss.  They are also good at the possession/control game in the back half ala WCE and Geelong loss.

However, I think it is like the Hawks; they have a successful game plan but I don't think they have the players to implement it.

Lets see what our coaches have learnt from the those earlier loses.

[drdrake 3,052]

Avb must have some good photos, i thought early last week Hannan kept us in the game, went quiet as the team dominated but played well when North challenged us.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

4 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

Even though Sparrow hasn't done anything wrong and is tracking along nicely, I would have left him out and kept Hannan in for team balance.

It seems as though Sparrow spends as much time forward as he does in the midfield, which will probably only increase with Viney coming back in.  Sparrow will play more in that pressure forward role, which is different to the role Hannan would play, so I can see why they have kept him in the side.  Hannan is probably more a Fritta/Melksham type player, and those two are our number 1 and 2 goal kickers this season, and they won't be dropped ahead of him.

6 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

Vandenberg is a barometer

I agree with that.  I think he will be very handy to have against the Pies as well.

[Redleg 38,038]

5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

vandenBerg last week had 6 clangers and 4 turnovers from 11 disposals. He also gave away a goal with undisciplined play for the 2nd week in a row.

Surely with Viney, Petracca, Oliver, Preuss and Sparrow in the middle we have enough "bash and crash".

Our problem for 3 years has been skill and inside 50 efficiency. Who do you reckon helps more with that out of Hannan and vandenBerg?

It's a pathetic decision by Goodwin even if you just want to look at the discipline aspect of it.

Hannan has averaged 7 possies in last 3 games, all dry and no tackles in his last 2. He has kicked 1.1 in three games. Nothing in 2 games. Yes, in the wet I would have AVB.

[daisycutter 28,688]

18 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Same as Mitch Hannan more solid than a less than satisfactory Jake Melksham!!!! Goody plays favourites AGAIN!!

And Spargo did do some good things last week But give me Rivers anyday!!

Melksham would want to perform this week!! Also Harley I would have thought would have played!??

you wouldn't play harley at this stage in a wet rainy physical game

[adonski 9,291]

21 minutes ago, godees said:

Rivers is very slight and gets moved out of one on ones too easily. A bit of time in the gym this summer and he will be a fixture in the back 6 in 2021. 
Happy with the changes. Thought they might manage Sparrow or Jones for Viney but otherwise as I thought.

Rivers is an Adonis for his age, not sure about that 

Edited August 14, 2020 by adonski

[Parmalove 91]

Rivers stiff but Lockart is the new Jetta and has done it well so far. Rivers will be our Hibbard replacement so will have to take opportunities when they come until Hibbard is finished.  Hannon nil pressure acts or tackles last week therefore dropped. Pruess is a worry as doesnt offer much around the ground. Hppefully isnt a liability and can crash packs when the high ball comes into fwd 50. 

[titan_uranus 22,775]

Hannan didn't do enough to force Goodwin's hand, but I still consider him unlucky to have lost his spot when Jones (no influence since he came back) and vandenBerg (continues to make awful errors) are in the side.

Lockhart deserved to come straight back in so I'm OK with Rivers making way on that basis. 

Viney replacing Hannan will make the most sense if Viney plays more forward than middle. If he plays more middle, he'll be forcing Petracca forward more and/or Brayshaw back onto a wing.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,410]

Ecstatic Stevenson’s out.

Their most naturally talented goal kicker.

[dl4e 5,648]

Sorry but I don't like the inclusion of Preuss. Can't play but I spose they feel the need for a ruckman.

Rivers should not have been dropped. 

I am wondering why Jones, Tomlinson and Harmes continue to get a game. It is a tragedy to watch Harmes at the momment so I hope he regains some form.

Lockhart and Viney are givens to come in.

[monoccular 16,397]

35 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Trent rivers very stiff

 

34 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Had Rising Star possession numbers. Took two ripper marks. Very stiff.

 

32 minutes ago, Pates said:

Don’t understand Rivers getting dropped, looked good to me. 

Maybe - but all those who called for young Jackson to be "managed" last week maybe they are managing Rivers.

[Demonland 66,485]

2 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Maybe - but all those who called for young Jackson to be "managed" last week maybe they are managing Rivers.

After 1 game?

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,762]

37 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Rivers slightly stiff, but Lockhart has been terrific so he deserves to come straight back in.

Obviously Preuss in for Jackson is no surprise, and I don't necessarily mind the omission of Hannan for Viney.  When you look at who they have named in the starting six up forward, I wouldn't have him in there for any of those, nor for someone like Spargo on the bench.

Thanks mate - saved me some typing.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

17 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Hannan has averaged 7 possies in last 3 games, all dry and no tackles in his last 2. He has kicked 1.1 in three games. Nothing in 2 games. Yes, in the wet I would have AVB.

The last 3 games (per game stats):

Hannan - 7.6 disposals, 0.7 tackles, 3 marks, 0.3 goals, 3 score involvements, 2 clangers, 2.6 turnovers

vandenBerg - 10 disposals, 3 tackles, 2.6 marks, 2 score involvements, 4.3 clangers, 4 turnovers

And if you wanted to include it, goals given to opposition with stupid errors:

Hannan - 0

vandenBerg - 0.7

I don't think he is helping the areas we need it, and for mine, the extra tackles a game doesn't make up for the huge clanger and turnover numbers. We all love his effort and intensity, but the bad things he does have been outweighing that, especially the last 2 weeks.

I get we may disagree on that, which is fine, but take all that out and just look at the discipline aspect. The bloke has cost us goals doing undisciplined, dumb things 2 games in a row. No player should be selected for a 3rd game after that. We see plenty of other players dropped for far less and to me it's poor culture standards if you let some players off but not others.

You can't honestly tell me you thought vandenBerg was far better than Hannan against the Roos?

Edited August 14, 2020 by Lord Nev

[CBDees 3,162]

10 minutes ago, dl4e said:

Sorry but I don't like the inclusion of Preuss. Can't play but I spose they feel the need for a ruckman.

Rivers should not have been dropped. 

I am wondering why Jones, Tomlinson and Harmes continue to get a game. It is a tragedy to watch Harmes at the momment so I hope he regains some form.

Lockhart and Viney are givens to come in.

Did you read the report on the Round 11 practice game this week? They seemed quite pleased with Preuss (who dominated in the hit-outs)! I am happy to give him a run and suspect that he may surprise the pundits.

Edited August 14, 2020 by CBDees