Weideman's Future?

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8 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

The coaching group have lost faith in him.

 

I disagree.  I'd say they've lost a bit of patience with him, not faith.  They clearly want to see certain things from him before coming back into the side, and that includes kicking 5 in a scratch match against the worst Carlton has to offer.

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12 hours ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

Don't get the collective panic around Weideman not playing this week. Obviously hadnt shown enough to get picked over Jackson last week, fair enough. Didn't get picked this weekend because of the wet conditions, fair enough. Are we really that desperate that we think this bloke will save our forward line worries having kicked a handful of goals in a game of 14 a side park footy in a magoos team that won by more than 10 goals. I recall people on here were calling for his head after missing that set shot against the Crows not too long ago. Unfortunately hasnt had the opportunity to prove it this year given the circumstances but dont think it warrants any reason to call for him to be traded... 

You do realize that your not suppose to make sense.

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11 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yep. Weid did well last week but he has to keep doing it, if he wants to be the number one target. 
The offer is waiting for him, because TMac is not a number one target up forward

Then why is T mac being gifted games??

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22 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Then why is T mac being gifted games??

Someone has to play the position Picket

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36 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I disagree.  I'd say they've lost a bit of patience with him, not faith.  They clearly want to see certain things from him before coming back into the side, and that includes kicking 5 in a scratch match against the worst Carlton has to offer.

We recruited Brown for the same position and after one game where he was not the worst in the side he is dropped for a kid who had not played A game since under 18’s in August. My did we recruit Brown?
At the moment our FD leaves me in wonder land.

 

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1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

Isn't this about the 3rd 'Concern' thread on the Weid in like 5 seasons?

Never really found his mojo or consistency up forward other than a bit of a purple patch in 2018 finals when the whole team finished the season on a roll.  But he did show something.

My concerns are... bit of a downhill skier that i haven't  seen stand up all that often when things aren't going so well?

Would still like to see him given a fair shake at it this season though before moving him on.  Might just be about to hit the maturity side that big men often take extra time to find.  Would want to make a big impact and hopefully has become  more mobile / ground worthy.  Bit of a mark and kick player that hasn't really added many other strings to his bow until now (consistently i mean...there's been glimpses & patches on the ground but mostly when the team's up and about).  Mind you if he can mark and kick straight consistently inside 50 from here then that would be a massive bonus up forward given recent returns on this side.

Lucifer knows he isn't alone in the KF conundrum that has seen a gaping hole in this area for us post 2018 when we had T-Mac in form out of the square and a very mobile marking CHF in the Hulk, roaming high, often intercepting the rebounds of the defence and very handy at ground level.  ALmost like an extra mid but also a VG mid - forward in that season.

Having lost Hulk and with T-Mac horribly out of form (niggles?) we've only seen brief cameos from the likes of Petty.  Petty has shown he can be a mobile marking goal kicking forward but alas...injury tends to lead to inconsistency and/or poor form in many cases.  Or in Petty's case...plenty of no shows.  Not saying Petty is the answer either but he was starting to show a bit of promise as a potential 2nd/3rd stringer and looking quite dangerous on occasions.

The FD's mission in 2020, should they choose to accept it, is to sort the mess out that is our KF horribilis in readiness to take things to another level (hopefully finals or better) in 2021, assuming we manage to get back to some sort of normality off and on the field Post ISO.

Lets hope the Weid can make a much needed impact during this season and get some value out of all the inside 50s that should be seeing us crunch most opponents but instead most of them are going to pot.  Must be a huge deflator for all those further up the field.  Conversely, seeing that effective forward on the move, marking and converting can be a massive incentive to get the ball to the right spots more often.

Hopefully he is given a fair stab at it as the season progresses (assuming he's earned it of course). Good luck Weids 

Ok why did we recruit Brown it seems he is out of favour after one game?

 

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1 hour ago, Kent said:

certainly not Tmac

No one then

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Look across the game and big forwards are not kicking the bags they used to.  Seems like the Pies model of one big plus lots of mediums seems to be effective with the way the game is being played.  So tough for the kid Weid - hopefully he knows what needs to be shown to get back into the firsts.  TMAC should be feeling under pressure to perform, and Brown was a ‘nice to have’ as insurance for both.  

I think the gameplan may have changed a bit after the recruiting, with the smaller and speedier demons emerging in response to the COVID stuff.  Add wet weather and he has no chance.  Jackson is supposedly a freak, I look forward to seeing that.  Many players dont make it.  Lets see if Weid can prove his worth and make it back in.  

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10 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

I've spoken to Weid, he said his hips were right and was wanted to play. The coaching group have lost faith in him.

 

The coaching group should play him in his natural tall forward position. Coincidentally it's also our biggest weakness at present, yet they keep throwing him into the ruck and not giving him a proper chance up forward. They're playing Jackson ahead of him. Jackson might well surpass him in years to come, but at present Weid is bigger, stronger, quicker, better hands, better tackler, better kick, better scorer. There's simply no reason to play Jackson ahead of him, and it reeks of favouritism and poor culture. It's been over a decade and we still haven't learned not to gift games to kids who haven't earned them.

The club have ruined Weid's development. For his own sake, I hope he requests a trade and flourishes elsewhere.

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1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Then why is T mac being gifted games??

Exactly my thoughts as well.

Weid should be getting games over T-Mac, hands down.
T-Mac should not be given games on his form from 2018, that's long gone now. 

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1 minute ago, Ham said:

Exactly my thoughts as well.

Weid should be getting games over T-Mac, hands down.
T-Mac should not be given games on his form from 2018, that's long gone now. 

well why should weideman get games based upon his 2018 form?

t mac 2018 >>>>>>>> weed 2018

they've BOTH been super ordinary since

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Just now, whatwhatsaywhat said:

well why should weideman get games based upon his 2018 form?

t mac 2018 >>>>>>>> weed 2018

they've BOTH been super ordinary since

Weid has shown plenty more than T-Mac.
T-Mac is cooked and needs to go.

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24 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

The coaching group should play him in his natural tall forward position. Coincidentally it's also our biggest weakness at present, yet they keep throwing him into the ruck and not giving him a proper chance up forward. They're playing Jackson ahead of him. Jackson might well surpass him in years to come, but at present Weid is bigger, stronger, quicker, better hands, better tackler, better kick, better scorer. There's simply no reason to play Jackson ahead of him, and it reeks of favouritism and poor culture. It's been over a decade and we still haven't learned not to gift games to kids who haven't earned them.

The club have ruined Weid's development. For his own sake, I hope he requests a trade and flourishes elsewhere.

While i dont disagree with much above it may just be the fact they went with Jackson last week over Weed ,for what reason, and to change it after 1 game doesn't send the right message to the playing group. Jackson didnt do much wrong, or right but give the kids more than 1 game in 1 game out. Lets see what they have got. No one has been privy to the scratch match form over the last month and all we are really going on is Weeds 5 goals against the northern Blues. How did Rivers earn his game with no matches to show us what he can do. Maybe Jackson showed just as much in the scratch games which got him a game over weed.  Im a fan of weeds and his time will come.

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38 minutes ago, loges said:

No one then

Brown is a proven almost  2 goal a game player. Can mark,can contest, can lead.

Dropped after one Game. Whats the problem with dropping McDonald who hasn't done any thing for 18 months .

Like If you don't use him don't employ him

Same as Jackson. He is primarily a ruck forward. We seem to be trying to make him into a key forward and he did almost no rucking last game.

This FD has no idea.

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5 minutes ago, Kent said:

Brown is a proven almost  2 goal a game player. Can mark,can contest, can lead.

Brown has played 71 games and kicked 68 goals. 

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1 hour ago, old dee said:

We recruited Brown for the same position and after one game where he was not the worst in the side he is dropped for a kid who had not played A game since under 18’s in August. My did we recruit Brown?
At the moment our FD leaves me in wonder land.

 

Generally agree with you Old Dee, except I recall Brown being the second worst on the ground against West Coast, just ahead of your mate Spargo.

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5 minutes ago, Kent said:

Brown is a proven almost  2 goal a game player. Can mark,can contest, can lead.

Dropped after one Game. Whats the problem with dropping McDonald who hasn't done any thing for 18 months .

Career average is 0.96 actually. 

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24 minutes ago, Kent said:

Brown is a proven almost  2 goal a game player. Can mark,can contest, can lead.

Dropped after one Game. Whats the problem with dropping McDonald who hasn't done any thing for 18 months .

Like If you don't use him don't employ him

Same as Jackson. He is primarily a ruck forward. We seem to be trying to make him into a key forward and he did almost no rucking last game.

This FD has no idea.

Certainly we need another key forward so that Fritsch can play a position he is more suited to. Probably it has to be 2 of TMac, Brown or Weid. Tom is out of form for a while now. Weid or Brown are they up to it ? I don't see a clear solution.

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Weid supporter as you know people bu i think it will not hurt to have him out of this game. i think that he needs to make his presence felt, and i mean felt, after it hits the ground and slowly wind him up as per Moore with more.

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57 minutes ago, Ham said:

Weid has shown plenty more than T-Mac.
T-Mac is cooked and needs to go.

when?

i'm a big fan of the weed and am mighty surprised he's not in our best 22, but to say he's shown 'plenty more than t mac' is a complete fallacy

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12 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

You tell me, when has Jackson played 2 good games in a row?

Pretty difficult mate, he's only played one game.

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2 hours ago, old dee said:

Ok why did we recruit Brown it seems he is out of favour after one game?

 

We will never know Mr Old.  Such pertinent questions might get you in to trouble you know.

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1 hour ago, Lord Travis said:

The coaching group should play him in his natural tall forward position. Coincidentally it's also our biggest weakness at present, yet they keep throwing him into the ruck and not giving him a proper chance up forward. They're playing Jackson ahead of him. Jackson might well surpass him in years to come, but at present Weid is bigger, stronger, quicker, better hands, better tackler, better kick, better scorer. There's simply no reason to play Jackson ahead of him, and it reeks of favouritism and poor culture. It's been over a decade and we still haven't learned not to gift games to kids who haven't earned them.

The club have ruined Weid's development. For his own sake, I hope he requests a trade and flourishes elsewhere.

Weideman is definitely not quicker and has no agility. With the amount of cameras and over analysis they do of each moment at a training session, I am more than happy to back the coaching department in on this one.

You are clearly a huge Weideman fan, I am not. However, the same question marks we have all been debating with Weideman for the last 3 years are still question marks. To blame his lack of development (I would say progression) on the club is a huge cop out.

In 2019 Weideman average 10.3 disposals and a goal a game playing an average of 84% ground time of 20 minute quarters.

Jackson played 70% ground time and had 7 disposals from 16 minute quarters.

It's a very small sample size but I'll go with the potential on this one. If Jackson has another week with this sort of output and someone is knocking the door down, switch them over but Weideman has not got the runs on the board.

 

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1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Brown has played 71 games and kicked 68 goals. 

I'm finding that Kent doesn't like to let the facts get in the way of a good story.

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I think we're over-complicating things. For mine, it's a pretty simple question - between the Weid, Jackson and Brown, who is likely to have the biggest impact at full forward/ backup ruck this weekend? 

No matter which way I look at it, I cannot fathom how the answer is Jackson (not having a crack at him).