Jump to content

Carlton Sack Brendon Bolton

dazzledavey36
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

Posted

The jungle drums are beating of the prospect that Bolton might get the chop.

While i have always felt that Bolton was the right man for the job coming from the Hawthorn environment, i am bewildered that the blow torch is not on their list manager SOS.

Right now they would be laughing with pick 1 in their pockets sewn up, but traded it during the draft period to adelaide who currently have pick 1 now.

Over the years SOS hes brought in VFL standard players to fill in list position. The names of Jarrod Pickett, Rhys Palmer, Alex Fasolo, Cam O' Shea, liam Sumner, Aaron Mullett, Andrew Phillips, Tom Bugg, Matt Shaw, Daniel Gorringe, Sam Kerridge, Billy Smedts, Kristian Jacksh, Hugh Goddard and Matt Kennedy are just some of the names that he has stockpiled with and that have been unsuccessful. 

With those names that he has bought in surely he has to come under the microscope?

  • Quote
    • Like 8
     

    Carlton spooked by North pulling the trigger on Scott. Don't want to be out of the race by holding on.

  • Quote
    •  

    Oh goody. 

    A thread to shitcan Carlton to detract from our own abysmal situation. 

    Carry on. 

  • Quote
    • Like 9
    • Love 1
    • Haha 13
    25 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Over the years SOS hes brought in VFL standard players to fill in list position. The names of Jarrod Pickett, Rhys Palmer, Alex Fasolo, Cam O' Shea, liam Sumner, Aaron Mullett, Andrew Phillips, Tom Bugg, Matt Shaw, Daniel Gorringe, Sam Kerridge, Billy Smedts, Kristian Jacksh, Hugh Goddard and Matt Kennedy are just some of the names that he has stockpiled with and that have been unsuccessful. 

    Not sure that those players are the issue and, other than Kerridge and Kennedy, I'm not sure they have given up much to get them. It would be like judging Jason Taylor based on the performances of C.Wagner, Bugg, Michie and Kolodjashnij.

    The bigger issue is the number of failed first round picks through 2008-2014, excluding Cripps of course. As with Melbourne's poor drafting throughout the 2000s (N.Jones aside), it takes 5 or 6 years for this to become noticeable as you have a shortfall of top talent in the mid 24-28 age bracket. Carlton have a proud history of picking the wrong types of players. Even guys like Murphy and Kreuzer are just average players who rarely influence games (when not injured).

    Bolton is an easy scapegoat, and removing him is cheaper than having a full clean out of the football department, but I'm not convinced he is the problem at Carlton.

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    We should take them over. They have some good kids, a good trading ground and club facilities.

    Just  pander to the Carltonites for five years by using the jumper every now and then.

    we will pick up 10% of their supporters and have a great facility in inner Melbourne.

    It would be way cheaper than all the hair brain schemes suggested to give us a home.

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Love 1
    • Haha 4

    FWIW I can see Carlton getting a PP this year to compensate for their stupid trade. 

    Probably a end of first round so not too many teams kick up a fuss... 

  • Quote
    • Angry 1

    I agree with you Dazzle. SOS has done some terrible work in his time at Carlton.

    He originally drafted a heap of these kids at GWS and when they identified that they were no good he doubled down and traded for them at Carlton. 

    The Stocker trade is looking to be the cherry on top of a long list of bad decisions.

    If Bolton goes then surely Silvangni goes too.

  • Quote
    • Like 4
     
    2 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

    It's a toss off up between Carlton and Essendon for my most hated team

    The AFL can send them both to Tassie ( or further south) for all I GAF. 

    Good idea Bbo we could then takeover their facalities at Princes Park

    Edited by old dee

  • Quote
    • Haha 1

    2 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

    It's a toss off up between Carlton and Essendon for my most hated team

    The AFL can send them both to Tassie ( or further south) for all I GAF. 

    Not a contest for me Essendrug win by the length of the straight.

  • Quote
    • Like 7
    • Haha 1
    1 minute ago, old dee said:

    Good idea Bbo we could then takeover their facalities at Princess Park

    Getting rid of the empty paper bags and cigar butts would cost a bit though od. 

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Haha 1

    Who cares?

    Edited by Lucifer's Hero

  • Quote
    • Like 2

    The gap between us and finals is only slightly wider than the gap, for Carlton, between last and not-last.

    I was still speaking optimisitcally about Carlton's medium and longer term prospects early this season, on the understanding that their cluster of young agile midfielders could develop in a wave, with Cripps and now Walsh providing the star-level core.

    But that optimism has faded for me, and more importantly it looks like it has evaporated within the Blue's themselves.

    Carlton supporters will be shaking with anxiety about the prospect of losing any of that handful of stars that keep the flame flickering. For example, Charlie Curnow might decide that the reason for his stalling progress is the team he's playing in (and when you're out of form but have still kicked a third of your team's goals in the last two rounds, you could start to think that way). To have him leave in a meagre trade when he is at such a low point himself would be just devastating for Blues fans, especially when they can already spend each round counting how many more goals ex-Carlton players have kicked compared to the entire Cartlon team.

    Garlett 3, Betts 2, Robinson 1, Kennedy 3,   vs Carlton  4

    Charlie Curnow might be a handy acquisition on the cheap, come to think of it.

     

  • Quote
    8 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

    The gap between us and finals is only slightly wider than the gap, for Carlton, between last and not-last.

    I was still speaking optimisitcally about Carlton's medium and longer term prospects early this season, on the understanding that their cluster of young agile midfielders could develop in a wave, with Cripps and now Walsh providing the star-level core.

    But that optimism has faded for me, and more importantly it looks like it has evaporated within the Blue's themselves.

    Carlton supporters will be shaking with anxiety about the prospect of losing any of that handful of stars that keep the flame flickering. For example, Charlie Curnow might decide that the reason for his stalling progress is the team he's playing in (and when you're out of form but have still kicked a third of your team's goals in the last two rounds, you could start to think that way). To have him leave in a meagre trade when he is at such a low point himself would be just devastating for Blues fans, especially when they can already spend each round counting how many more goals ex-Carlton players have kicked compared to the entire Cartlon team.

    Garlett 3, Betts 2, Robinson 1, Kennedy 3,   vs Carlton  4

    Charlie Curnow might be a handy acquisition on the cheap, come to think of it.

     

    Not sure he would leave to go to a club 2 spots higher on the ladder ?

  • Quote
    9 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

    Charlie Curnow might be a handy acquisition on the cheap, come to think of it.

    They wouldn't give him up cheap even if he wanted to leave. Too many clubs would want him (not saying i wouldn't like him though).

  • Quote

    26 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

    Getting rid of the empty paper bags and cigar butts would cost a bit though od. 

    Way cheaper than building a ground over the railway yards that some on here want to do Bbo.

  • Quote

    I have no idea what the level of his ability is but it appears to be the old easy out. Much easier to replace one coach than 20 players who are not up to it. Took us the best part of six years to make a significant improvement to the list.

    Why is SOS not on the way out at the same time, he is after all the archithect of their list and he has been there some time. 

    Edited by old dee

  • Quote
    •  
    1 hour ago, McQueen said:

    Oh goody. 

    A thread to shitcan Carlton to detract from our own abysmal situation. 

    Carry on. 

    Welcome to a footy forum! 

  • Quote

    • Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

    Guest
    Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
    Reply to this topic...
    Go to topic listing

    Featured Content

    • NON-MFC: Round 13

      Follow all the action from every Round 13 clash excluding the Dees as the 2025 AFL Premiership Season rolls on. With Melbourne playing in the final match of the round on King's Birthday, all eyes turn to the rest of the competition. Who are you tipping to win? And more importantly, which results best serve the Demons’ finals aspirations? Join the discussion and keep track of the matches that could shape the ladder and impact our run to September.

      • 23 replies
      Demonland

    • PREVIEW: Collingwood

      Having convincingly defeated last year’s premier and decisively outplayed the runner-up with 8.2 in the final quarter, nothing epitomized the Melbourne Football Club’s performance more than its 1.12 final half, particularly the eight consecutive behinds in the last term, against a struggling St Kilda team in the midst of a dismal losing streak. Just when stability and consistency were anticipated within the Demon ranks, they delivered a quintessential performance marked by instability and ill-conceived decisions, with the most striking aspect being their inaccuracy in kicking for goal, which suggested a lack of preparation (instead of sleeping in their hotel in Alice, were they having a night on the turps) rather than a well-rested team. Let’s face it - this kicking disease that makes them look like raw amateurs is becoming a millstone around the team’s neck.

        • Like
      • 1 reply
      Demonland

    • CASEY: Sydney

      The Casey Demons were always expected to emerge victorious in their matchup against the lowly-ranked Sydney Swans at picturesque Tramway Oval, situated in the shadows of the SCG in Moore Park. They dominated the proceedings in the opening two and a half quarters of the game but had little to show for it. This was primarily due to their own sloppy errors in a low-standard game that produced a number of crowded mauls reminiscent of the rugby game popular in old Sydney Town. However, when the Swans tired, as teams often do when they turn games into ugly defensive contests, Casey lifted the standard of its own play and … it was off to the races. Not to nearby Randwick but to a different race with an objective of piling on goal after goal on the way to a mammoth victory. At the 25-minute mark of the third quarter, the Demons held a slender 14-point lead over the Swans, who are ahead on the ladder of only the previous week's opposition, the ailing Bullants. Forty minutes later, they had more than fully compensated for the sloppiness of their earlier play with a decisive 94-point victory, that culminated in a rousing finish which yielded thirteen unanswered goals. Kicks hit their targets, the ball found itself going through the middle and every player made a contribution.

        • Like
      • 1 reply
      Demonland

    • REPORT: St. Kilda

      Hands up if you thought, like me, at half-time in yesterday’s game at TIO Traeger Park, Alice Springs that Melbourne’s disposal around the ground and, in particular, its kicking inaccuracy in front of the goals couldn’t get any worse. Well, it did. And what’s even more damning for the Melbourne Football Club is that the game against St Kilda and its resurgence from the bottomless pit of its miserable start to the season wasn’t just lost through poor conversion for goal but rather in the 15 minutes when the entire team went into a slumber and was mugged by the out-of-form Saints. Their six goals two behinds (one goal less than the Demons managed for the whole game) weaved a path of destruction from which they were unable to recover. Ross Lyon’s astute use of pressure to contain the situation once they had asserted their grip on the game, and Melbourne’s self-destructive wastefulness, assured that outcome. The old adage about the insanity of repeatedly doing something and expecting a different result, was out there. Two years ago, the score line in Melbourne’s loss to the Giants at this same ground was 5 goals 15 behinds - a ratio of one goal per four scoring shots - was perfectly replicated with yesterday’s 7 goals 21 behinds. 
      This has been going on for a while and opens up a number of questions. I’ll put forward a few that come to mind from this performance. The obvious first question is whether the club can find a suitable coach to instruct players on proper kicking techniques or is this a skill that can no longer be developed at this stage of the development of our playing group? Another concern is the team's ability to counter an opponent's dominance during a run on as exemplified by the Saints in the first quarter. Did the Demons underestimate their opponents, considering St Kilda's goals during this period were scored by relatively unknown forwards? Furthermore, given the modest attendance of 6,721 at TIO Traeger Park and the team's poor past performances at this venue, is it prudent to prioritize financial gain over potentially sacrificing valuable premiership points by relinquishing home ground advantage, notwithstanding the cultural significance of the team's connection to the Red Centre? 

        • Like
      • 4 replies
      Demonland

    • PREGAME: Collingwood

      After a disappointing loss in Alice Springs the Demons return to the MCG to take on the Magpies in the annual King's Birthday Big Freeze for MND game. Who comes in and who goes out?

        • Like
      • 232 replies
      Demonland

    • PODCAST: St. Kilda

      The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 2nd June @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we have a chat with former Demon ruckman Jeff White about his YouTube channel First Use where he dissects ruck setups and contests. We'll then discuss the Dees disappointing loss to the Saints in Alice Springs.
      Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show.
      Listen LIVE: https://demonland.com/

        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 47 replies
      Demonland
    View All